What To Do With the Waste?

jodik_gwApril 28, 2013

Fracking... a subject we've covered a few times.

"A truck carrying fracking waste was quarantined and then sent back to where it came from after its contents triggered a radiation alarm at a Pennsylvania hazardous-waste landfill. The truckâÂÂs load was nearly 10 times more radioactive than is permitted at the dump in South Huntingdon township."

And later in the story...

"Pennsylvania is currently studying radiation issues associated with fracking of the shale and disposal of the industryâÂÂs waste."

So... now that we're doing all this wonderful fracking to further fill pockets and destroy earth, what are we going to do with the waste material?

Solutions... anyone?

Here is a link that might be useful: deemed too radioactive

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elvis

That underground radiation is a bugger. Ever install a radon detector in your home? The results can be perplexing. The decaying natural radioactive materials are always coming up, up, up. Way up here where there is little disturbance besides the occasional home building and gardening, it's a issue. I guess whenever the ground gets opened, it could be a Pandora's box.

    Bookmark   April 28, 2013 at 1:10PM
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jodik_gw

So... why are we fracking, then?

    Bookmark   April 28, 2013 at 1:25PM
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Campanula UK Z8

Looks like the UK are going to be going along with this too (despite the recent small earthquakes in the north of england). And herein lies a clue - you can guarantee that fracking will not be happening in the Tory heartland of the shires and home counties....but those scummy northern industrial towns (with all those labour voters and union members)- you bet.
Our govt. have got the bit between their teeth, envisioning fat profits for our sinking economy....but, like our once nationalised industries, now both privatised - and subsidised - what's that about then?), they will be a profit above all shareholder's wet dream.

    Bookmark   April 28, 2013 at 1:38PM
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jodik_gw

All these problems humanity is facing with the drilling, fracking, waste disposal, spills, global warming, etc... and with the solutions of clean, natural energy staring us in the face, we have this sort of thing...

Rep. Joe Barton, (R-Texas) thinks that windmills will slow the wind down and make the planet get hotter.

This one defies logic. Where do these people keep emerging from?

Here is a link that might be useful: JOE BARTON, ENVIRONMENTAL VISIONARY

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 8:19AM
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rilie(Z5 Eastern Canada)

The Province i live in is looking towards fracking also - there is exploration underway now. The government has assured us that our rules governing the proces are 'the strictest in North America'. That may be so, but there is still HUGE public opposition. Many people are not assured by talks of security deposits, monetary penalties for breaches, huge insurance polices... none of that will matter if there is an environmental disaster. So for now, the people seem to be holding some influence, but it's only a matter of time. We're broke and unemployment is high, and the government only sees the dollar signs.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 8:52AM
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ohiomom

A lot of that waste is being dumped here in Ohio .. :(

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 9:13AM
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jodik_gw

And the helluva it is... I'd be willing to bet there's a ton of profit to be made in clean energy sources... solar, wind, water... it all requires machinery or panels or other parts and items to make it work...

But it's more important to poison our planet and its inhabitants, and cause gigantic earthquakes and sinkholes, instead. Who knew?

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 9:21AM
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david52 Zone 6

Fracking is covered by state laws, and as such each state has different laws governing the disposal of 'produced water'.

Some states, when you dig a fracking well, right beside it, you drill another well to dispose of the produced water.

Some states, you have them trucking the produced water to some central disposal well, and then its injected there. Thats been linked to some earth quakes.

Some states, they allow them to use evaporative ponds. - Dump the stuff out in a shallow pond and let it blow away.

For a while in Wyoming, they let 'em just dump the produced water out on the ground. Thats now illegal.

And combinations of the above.

There are also private companies, in areas were water is scarce, that 'recycle' the produced water and use it in further fracking operations. Which, it seems to me, is a good solution, even though its more expensive.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 10:31AM
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maggie2094

Big business in sending fracking waste water to sewer treatment plants, which they do in PA.

Our county has been trying to privatize our municipal aging sewer treatment plants and part of the proposals had United Water (possible buyer) bringing in fracking waste water from upstate. With public pressure and warnings that one drop of this toxic mix in our bays and estuaries could be catastrophic, the legislature moved to ban it.

Sandy has since changed plans for now nd NYS still has moratorium on hydro fracking. Will still be sweet deal if they still push through privatization with the public paying for the upgrades and united water reaping the profits after they get rid of the union workers who have already been squeezed by subcontractors.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 11:46AM
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momj47(7A)

What's really disturbing is that landfills have radiation detectors.

Goodness knows what kind of hazardous wastes people try to dump.

Local little landfills can't handle the expense of hazardous waste, and companies that do handle the disposal of this waste are charging high prices to handle it. So off it goes to the landfill.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 12:14PM
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david52 Zone 6

Speaking of which, last weekend was the first of the twice-a-year electronic recycling waste days. Cost $35 to throw away my old 27" tube TV.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 12:25PM
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don_socal

"An ongoing earthquake swarm in New Mexico and Colorado, which includes Colorado's largest earthquake since 1967, is due to underground wastewater injection, researchers said Friday (April 19) at the Seismological Society of America's annual meeting in Salt Lake City."

Here is a link that might be useful: Article: New Mexico Earthquakes Linked to Wastewater Injection

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 1:47AM
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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

Some local governments in Ohio are so strapped for cash that they are willing to sign up for fracking to be performed below city owned property.

Many people are being persuaded by federal and state officials that the gas or oil produced from these wells is a bridge fuel, or a transition from oil/gas to wind, solar, etc. That's a lie! It's nothing but profits for the industry and shareholders who care nothing about wind, solar or poisoned water.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 7:47AM
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esh_ga

I'd be willing to bet there's a ton of profit to be made in clean energy sources... solar, wind, water... it all requires machinery or panels or other parts and items to make it work...

But it's more important to poison our planet and its inhabitants, and cause gigantic earthquakes and sinkholes, instead. Who knew?

Exactly. People could be making a living and making a profit on clean energy.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 8:29AM
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don_socal

"It seems that BPâÂÂs epic lies about the magnitude of the Gulf oil spill have not had an effect on the corporate giantâÂÂs bottom lineâ¦.shocking. The company that is responsible for 11 deaths, the biggest accidental oil spill in WORLD history and countless illnesses related to the cleanup of said disaster, posted their earnings for the first quarter of 2013 today. How much did they make out with so far? A whopping $4.2 billion!!!! Suddenly the $4.5 billion fine that the federal government levied against the corporation, the one that was touted as the largest fine against a company in U.S. history, seems like a drop in BPâÂÂs oily, bloody bucket. They literally made almost all of that money back in the first four months of the year! It is frustrating to say the least and unfortunately for the people who helped clean up their oil spill, reality is very bitter indeed."

There is a video but it does not start unless you click on it.

Here is a link that might be useful: Oil Spill Workers Canât Pay Medical Bills�

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 9:26AM
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ohiomom

That's a lie! It's nothing but profits for the industry and shareholders who care nothing about wind, solar or poisoned water.

AMEN brother!! Funny how some people worry about the debt we are leaving our children/grandchildren do not give a thought to the environment we are leaving them.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 10:04AM
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jodik_gw

Personally, I'd rather leave the debt, but offer our future generations a planet that can still sustain life!

What good is a clean balance sheet if there's no potable water, food to eat, clean air to breathe, and no way to survive on a planet that's literally melting, imploding, and breaking apart?

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 12:01PM
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demifloyd(8)

So... now that we're doing all this wonderful fracking to further fill pockets and destroy earth, what are we going to do with the waste material?

Solutions... anyone?

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Yes, many people from the energy industry, environmental industries, and others have been and are working on this--but I'd sure like to hear specific and viable solutions that HTs posters come up with that others haven't. Who knows?

Sitting right here at a computer screen, could be the savior of the industry.

One cannot accurately extrapolate Marcellus and apply and extrapolate across the board.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 12:39PM
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jodik_gw

Many posters have stated, and many times, that we should be taking advantage of the clean energy offered by wind, sun, and water. Those are solutions.

Fracking and more drilling or mining for coal are not solutions. Those are the problems that are destroying our planet.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2013 at 2:31PM
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