Kirinmaru Peony

ryseryse_2004January 18, 2014

Does anyone have this one? I just ordered it and hope it is as pretty as the picture.

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jackie_o(zone 5/6)

A quick search of googleimages shows the exact same photo over and over. This one's been out for a few years and there are apparently no pictures from an actual homeowner? Makes me wary.

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 1:16PM
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nmay

I believe several members here have Kirinmaru and are waiting for it to bloom; if I remember correctly, Kousa has it. I've heard that it takes a while to get established, but it's caught my interest. For the reason mentioned by Jackie, I'm waiting to hear from other members before I seek it out.

    Bookmark   January 18, 2014 at 6:07PM
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KarenPA_6b

I bought mine last year. Hopefully it will bloom this year, but here is the linkof photo that I posted earlier

Link to a picture of Kirinmaru from someone who actually grows the plant.

Here is a link that might be useful: kirinmaru photo

    Bookmark   January 19, 2014 at 10:38AM
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jackie_o(zone 5/6)

Kousa that's the same photo I found over and over on every website. Do you know that guy? I was just assuming even though he has the plant, that he just posted the nursery photo.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 7:24AM
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KarenPA_6b

I think his photo is different from the ones used by the vendors - the side buds, the shape of the bloom and the leaves are different from the vendor's photo. It looks pretty real to me but I can never be sure as so many photos can photoshopped. I will post a photo if my plant blooms this year. Sometimes Springhill has it on sale around late April/early May. I got mine for about $15.

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 10:23AM
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jackie_o(zone 5/6)

I can't wait to see a picture of yours! I hope it's as pretty in real life. :)

    Bookmark   January 20, 2014 at 10:42PM
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KarenPA_6b

I just got a special offer from Springhill for Kirinmaru. If you use this keycode: 04491731 the price of the peony is $12.49. This offer expires 2/14/14.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 10:33PM
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auron22(6b OH)

Not very active on here, but wanted to give thanks to kousa :)

I'm not very fond of springhill, but I couldn't resist that discount and I couldn't find any other, more reputable vendors selling it. I've been itching for a peony, now i have two. Hopefully it will thrive and be true to photo.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2014 at 5:30PM
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KarenPA_6b

I am glad you can use it Auron. I recently saw a photo of the Kirinmaru Peony on the Yahoo peonies forum and it is just gorgeous. The photo was posted by a forum member who took the photo of the peony in her garden. I wish I can put a link here but the Yahoo Peonies group forum is a website that you have to sign in to see the posts and photos. When I saw the photo, I wish I bought 3 Kirinmaru peonies last year instead of one. Now I have run out of garden space unless I convert more lawn to flower beds.

    Bookmark   January 29, 2014 at 6:07PM
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graycrna4u

Chateau Charmarron has the peony for sale. I can't vouch for the authenticity of the pictures, but I can vouch for CC and the high quality of their products. I believe it is $25 and she typically sends huge roots with many eyes.

    Bookmark   February 22, 2014 at 8:03AM
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graycrna4u

Kirinmaru was just advertised in the latest Blossom Hill Nursery magazine.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2014 at 8:23PM
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auron22(6b OH)

I received the peony from springhill nursery yesterday. I don't know what a healthy one looks like, but from what I can tell without taking it out it has 2 eyes. When I plant it I will post a pic for some verdict on whether it is worth it for $13 + shipping. I could post updates as well annually if anyone would like that.

Is there a reliable website that provides information on how to plant herbaceous peonies?

graycrna4u,
Does blossom hill nurseries send magazines to the U.S.? From what I read at the other nursery, you have to visit them personally to nab anything....too far away for that one.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2014 at 7:39AM
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graycrna4u

You can sign up for their mailing list on the website. Your location will determine what depth you need to plant the root. The further north you are, the deeper you will plant. I am in Zone 7 in North Carolina so my herbaceous peonies are barely below the surface. It will be 2 years before you see significant blooms. Loving peonies means being patient while they establish.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2014 at 5:35PM
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Kathy89

I planted a Kirinmaru 3 years ago, it grows beautifully every year but no flowers yet. Hope this is my year. If it blooms I'll post pix.

    Bookmark   March 19, 2014 at 8:39AM
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KarenPA_6b

Wow, that is a long time,Kathy. I hope that you get more than a few blooms from your Kirinmaru this year. As I had only planted mine last year, I guess I won't have any bloom this year though I am still hoping. :)

    Bookmark   March 19, 2014 at 7:22PM
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auron22(6b OH)

Kathy89,
I look forward to the possible pix :) I'm anxious to see different pics than those all over image results.

Springhill nursery has this peony on sale again, watching online nurseries closely for so long....I'm noticing they toss around "sales" like there is no tomorrow. I'd hate to think anyone buying anything regular priced from them.lol. I don't think they ship the healthiest of peonies....but if you wanted a cheap one the price is reduced to $12.49 + shipping again. Keycode 0454300. Expires 3/28/14

I'm assuming it's ok to say these things? A thread dedicated to kirinmaru, looked like trying to get it as cheap as possible was something others were interested in, like myself. Or am I the only frugal gardener?

This post was edited by Auron22 on Mon, Mar 24, 14 at 15:49

    Bookmark   March 21, 2014 at 3:16PM
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KarenPA_6b

It is ok, Auron22. I do it all the time. I wonder how many people used the codes that I put up. Should there someone out there who really want the plants but can't afford it at regular price, you are helping them. I think the company still makes money either way, at regular price or at discounted price because people will just end up buying something else with it.

    Bookmark   March 22, 2014 at 9:09AM
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Kathy89

I got flowers from some of mine the first year

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 9:23AM
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Moxx

Reply to all at random order. These notes are also for my own reference.

1) Keycode 0454300. Expires 3/38/14 2) One supplier shows Kirinmaru Peony was introduced by Krekler, 1963. So the plant is not so new after all?

http://www.jardinsshefford.com/pivoine.php

3) If your peony does not bloom after 3 years, chances are you planted the peony too deep. Most publications and YouTube videos tell you to plant 1" below soil for bush peonies and 4" from top of the soil to the graft line for tree peonies, so the tree peony will eventually make its own root.

4) I found 4 different pictures for Kirinmaru Peony. I haven't found out how to group and upload all, so I will upload the other pics in different posts. Pic 1 is attached.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 2:23PM
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Moxx

Pic 2:

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 2:25PM
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Moxx

Pic 3:

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 2:27PM
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Moxx

Pic 4:

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 2:29PM
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Moxx

Bonus. Of course, there are other look peonies with similar looks.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 2:32PM
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Kathy89

Funny that last pix is mine. I recognize the maple seeds in my rock border lol when purchased they called it Fesiiva

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 3:05PM
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Kathy89

Whoops Festiva

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 3:58PM
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Moxx

I think you mean Festiva Maxima, Miellez, 1851. However, all Festiva Maxima flower pics I've seen, including the ones in my garden don't have a streak of red on the back as shown in the bonus pic.

I got this pic from EBay. In fact, there are 2 pics, the second pic look similar. Is it your posting at EBay?

A couple of corrections. I am surprised no one noticed pic 3 is an enlargement of pic 2.

And the bit about Keycode, it doesn't work for me in Canada maybe because it knows I've already provided an order and used another Keycode.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 4:36PM
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Kathy89

U r correct Festiva maxima. But no I am not selling on eBay. This was a pic on photobucket I think. Wow. So easy to steal stuff on net these days

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 6:04PM
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Kathy89

Kirinmaru has buds, they look small. Will post pic later. It came from Spring Hill also.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2014 at 1:48PM
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auron22(6b OH)

Looking forward to it Kathy89 :)

    Bookmark   April 23, 2014 at 4:21PM
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KarenPA_6b

I saw a small bud on one of the two stems of my Kirinmaru too. Hope it will bloom.

    Bookmark   April 23, 2014 at 5:36PM
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Kathy89

Here are flower buds, could be any day now.

    Bookmark   May 2, 2014 at 5:20PM
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bunti(7)

Wow....

Please post pictures once they bloom.

I have bought one from spring hill. I don't think mine will bloom this year. I would love to see them bloom.

    Bookmark   May 5, 2014 at 11:09AM
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Kathy89

Still waiting

    Bookmark   May 13, 2014 at 6:23PM
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KarenPA_6b

Wow, that is an awesome amount of buds. I look forward to see your Kirinmaru in bloom, Kathy.

Karen

    Bookmark   May 13, 2014 at 6:38PM
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auron22(6b OH)

Color me impressed! I sure hope mine is that loaded with buds in 3 years. I'm really excited, I hope they open soon.

    Bookmark   May 13, 2014 at 8:12PM
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Kathy89

Only 1 blooming all the rest are driving me crazy. So many buds & still waiting.

    Bookmark   May 13, 2014 at 9:56PM
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bunti(7)

photo is missing. how old is your plant?

    Bookmark   May 13, 2014 at 10:11PM
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lizbest1(5)

That is an AMAZING amount of buds, Kathy! Has this one bloomed before? I got the impression that this was its first year--if so all I can say is WOW! Can't wait to see the blooms open!

    Bookmark   May 13, 2014 at 10:25PM
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Kathy89

It is a 3yr old plant, has not given blooms ever before. The plant has always been very healthy. Got first buds on 3 of my plants.

    Bookmark   May 14, 2014 at 12:54PM
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lizbest1(5)

Congrats, Kathy! Looks like a good peony year for you!

    Bookmark   May 14, 2014 at 10:57PM
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bunti(7)

My plant is setting buds now. Is it going to bloom for this year. I do see one tiny bud on it.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2014 at 1:58PM
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Kathy89

So Kirinmaru bloomed not as pictured from Spring Hill. Still pretty.

    Bookmark   May 28, 2014 at 9:06AM
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KarenPA_6b

Kathy, I am sorry to hear about your Kirinmaru. I hope my purchase does not have the same fate. My one and only bud on my Kirinmaru should open any day now. I would be terribly upset if it turns out to be something else. If this is any consolation to you, I have discovered 5 mislabeled peonies from my purchases in previous years. Some of them I have grown for more than 2 years.

    Bookmark   May 28, 2014 at 5:39PM
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auron22(6b OH)

So sorry to hear that Kathy....it's really pretty though :) I am also down for the count.....Potted mine up and some critter must be a magician, because it disappeared without a trace. The pot was hardly disturbed at all.....I assumed there would be a mess.I'll try next year, maybe.....

Good luck to others still waiting on their blooms!

    Bookmark   May 29, 2014 at 10:29PM
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Moxx

That's a big/mature peony plant you have, Kathy. Did Spring Hill shipped, you this plant this year?

I got mine from Spring Garden, Canada. AKA Spring Hill, USA. When I received it, the item number is correct, but the description is labeled as "Giant Peony Mix" instead of "Kirinmaru" Peony. Spring Garden is good enough to offer to resend if they made a mistake.

Here are my pictures as received and now. I don't see how one tuber can get to the size of your plant within the same year of planting.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 3:50AM
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Moxx

Kirinmaru Peony a few days ago.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 3:56AM
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Kathy89

My plant is 3yrs old, healthy every year but these were 1st blooms. It wasn't what I wanted but I still like plant.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 3:27PM
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KarenPA_6b

Unfortunately, my bloom looks like Kathy's. There is no white splashed with red like in Springhill's picture. It is just a pink bomb. This is really disappointing. Hope others have better luck.

    Bookmark   May 30, 2014 at 10:46PM
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Moxx

If it is the wrong peony, then Spring Garden, Canada. AKA Spring Hill, USA. will refund or send you another. They are very generous that way.

Mine has a one year guarantee, but bloom may not happen until maybe the second year. I had their supervisor to reword the contract to suit. My understanding is that the guarantee was unlimited at one time. They may send another Kirinmaru Peony to Kathy if she complains to a supervisor.

Spring Garden only supplies Kirinmaru Peony in the spring. Other more common peonies are available in both spring and fall.

There is not a great deal written on the Kirinmaru Peony. I wonder if it is a mutant like the Shima Nishiki peony tree. The flowers on the first Shima Nishiki I brought was pink. So was the second tree. Then I looked at the pictures on the internet, and research on it further. It turned out that the colour on a young Shima Nishiki peony tree may be pink or white. The flowers will not be bi-colour until the plant matures. Even the store manager did not know this.

This post was edited by Moxx on Sat, May 31, 14 at 19:13

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 12:33AM
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KarenPA_6b

Thank you Moxx for the info. I was wondering too whether this Kirinmaru is behaving like the Shima Nishiki. I certainly hope so. This year, most of pinks are much darker than they were last year because of the cool temps. Anyway, here is a pic of my Kirinmaru.

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 12:31PM
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jackie_o(zone 5/6)

I hate to be a downer but I'm certain your peonies will never look like the original photo. It happens a lot. They know you're not going to return a peony three years later when it blooms and is not the right cultivar. If they send you another one I'm pretty sure it will not be Kirinmaru either and you'll have to wait a few more years to find out. There was only one photo I found of that peony. It may have looked like a few different shots, but it was just creative cropping. At least the peony you got is really pretty. :)

    Bookmark   May 31, 2014 at 10:00PM
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Moxx

I am afraid I am more tenacious than you. Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water!

Consider Pic 1 in my Mar 24, 14 post. Here is the text that goes with the picture:

" This Japanese peony is stunning in flower, but takes several years to get established."

http://allthingsplants.com/plants/view/589148/Peony-Paeonia-Kirinmaru/

Don't like my pictures that's posted? Attached is another pic from a Russian site:

http://www.irininsad.ru/index.php/piony-travyanistye/pion-kirin-maru

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 1:38AM
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Moxx

And another. How come you can't find these pictures? **grin**

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 2:00AM
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jackie_o(zone 5/6)

Moxx I wish you well. I really hope you get that peony and I'll be watching for it here on GW!
:)

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 3:23PM
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Moxx

I just got Kirinmaru. So it could take +/- 5 years or more, like the Shima Nishiki. You'll be an old maid by then lol.

The pictures below caught my attention today. Maybe it takes a long time to make beauty, but for some, it may worth the wait.

This post was edited by Moxx on Sun, Jun 1, 14 at 19:28

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 7:26PM
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Moxx

A second pink peony tree. The new home owner doesn't know the tree name.

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 7:32PM
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Moxx

Closeup of flower.

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 7:37PM
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Moxx

Picture 4 of 4.

    Bookmark   June 1, 2014 at 7:40PM
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Moxx

Finally got an answer from the master gardener from Spring Hill/Spring Garden today:

Here is the best answer that I can give you. This comes from the grower.

- in variegated plants whether leaf or flower variegation, it can vary. Unfortunately this peony has variations also. The grower has seen almost all white or almost all red within stock that is true to the photo. But within the stock he had also found the pink, which was rogued out as soon as they saw it. No photos are currently available from his fields as they are done blooming for the season.

I hope this is helpful.

Sincerely,

    Bookmark   July 1, 2014 at 4:14PM
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jackie_o(zone 5/6)

Not one peony in his fields that looked like the web photo? Come on, pull my other leg ;)

I work in horticulture and understand variegation. I will be totally shocked if you get a red and white striped flower on yours Moxx.

:)

    Bookmark   July 2, 2014 at 9:54PM
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ryseryse_2004

I started this thread and canceled my order before the season began. Glad I did.

    Bookmark   July 3, 2014 at 10:40AM
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Moxx

The more information I gather on this plant, the more I incline to think this plant is a mutant like the Shima Nishiki tree peony.

Spring Hill/Spring Garden never said the flowers don't look like anything as shown in the like the web photo as jackie_o tainted. Spring Hill/Spring Garden said the flowers varies, but we already know this from looking at the pictures. Refer to the Russian pictures I've uploaded on Sun, Jun 1, 14 at 1:38. The two flowers are not identical. The first has much more white. This is very much the character of the Shima Nishiki tree peony too, another mutant.

Let me make the point by cramping several years into a few pictures. Consider the three pictures below:

The first is my Shima Nishiki. The flowers have no streaks, so I brought a second plant, but the flowers are still the same. No, I didn't throw in the towel like jackie_o would. I did my homework, evaluating facts and drawn my own conclusions. The internet provided enough information to guide me, especially with comments like:

"Shima Nishiki is a bud mutation of TP cultivar Taiyo (red)"

"Shima Nishik peony tree May bloom all red for the first couple of years"

"Shima_Nishiki (Japan) Tree peony. Young plants may display solid red flowers"

"Shima-nishiki - no two (mature) flowers are the same"

This post was edited by Moxx on Sat, Jul 5, 14 at 1:43

    Bookmark   July 3, 2014 at 5:32PM
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Moxx

Pic 2 - Here is another young Shima Nishiki. This picture is from the internet. This one is starting to show signs of dual colour and streak.

    Bookmark   July 3, 2014 at 5:41PM
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Moxx

Pic 3 - A more mature Shima Nishiki. The picture shows some flowers in red, while other flowers start taking dual colour streaks.

    Bookmark   July 3, 2014 at 5:49PM
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Moxx

Bonus pic - And of course, a mature Shima Nishiki picture. I never forget the comments from an uploader who appreciates beauty. His point is that if beauty takes many years to make, then what are you waiting for? It was his mother who showed him the plant.

Of course you can argue that this is a Kirinmaru Peony. I am staying the course because all the signs indicate this is also a mutant.

    Bookmark   July 3, 2014 at 6:05PM
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auron22(6b OH)

RyseRyse,

Yea, i decided not to purchase kirinmaru too....again that is.

I've decided i have enough white, hydrangea paniculata, lilium longiflorum (or regale...don't know), pieris, immortality iris, narcissus, hyacinth city of haarlem and dahlia's. I'm lacking some other colors, and fall interest.

Think i'm going to look for an orange-ish peony, hopefully an itoh or tree peony...have yet to look it up.

I'm still highly interested to see how the others kirinmaru peonies turn out, and might change my mind....who knows, darn thing changes all the time.lol

    Bookmark   July 3, 2014 at 11:29PM
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littlebin

"Shima-nishiki" is much much more beautiful than Kirinmaru.

    Bookmark   July 6, 2014 at 12:45AM
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