In retrospect.....

ronalawn82(z9FL)April 26, 2013

"....... in 1981, President Ronald Reagan fired more than 11,000 air traffic controllers who ignored his order to return to work. The sweeping mass firing of federal employees slowed commercial air travel, but it did not cripple the system as the strikers had forecast."color> Source
I was not here (nor there for that matter) at that time; and 'world has changed a lot'. I have to ask, "What's all the fuss about, now?"
And if Congress and / or any of its individual members claim that they are carrying out the wishes of the American People, what's the price of that bridge you have to offer?

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jmc01

The fuss now is from people like me who will be on a plane Sunday night going to the destination so that they can be at work SORT OF ON TIME on Monday. Until you are at an airport at 5:30 am, you have no clue what commuting to work means.

And by the way, the volume of all flyers is slightly greater in 2013 than it was in 1981.

Back to retirement, ron!

    Bookmark   April 26, 2013 at 10:29PM
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ronalawn82(z9FL)

jmc01, specially for you, I will follow my dad's admonishment, "Put aside 10 per cent of the money you work for and 90 percent of the free advice that you get!".

    Bookmark   April 27, 2013 at 4:33PM
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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

There were 13,000 air traffic controllers back in Reagans time (now 23,200). Eleven thousand were fired then, leaving 2000 plus supervisory personnel to take up the reins, so to speak. There are a lot more flights now than back in Reagan's time and the load demand on current traffic controllers are much greater now.

I listened to an NPR interview of one of them from a major airport (missed the beginning so can't give you details.) I got ulcers just listening to him. He can't retire because he is putting three kids through school and needs to work as many shifts as allowed. The furlough meant a 1% (?) cut in salary, seeming not much loss of income. Now if I mis-heard and the loss was 10%, then I could commiserate.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2013 at 5:14PM
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ronalawn82(z9FL)

And I have to believe that in the interim, improved technology must have reduced the manpower requirement per unit of measurement

    Bookmark   April 27, 2013 at 5:51PM
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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

And that addresses what issue, "in retrospect?" Flights, approach patterns and such are mostly computerized for commercial craft and bigger general aviation craft. Mistakes are still made and computer failures do occur, throwing the system into chaos and often causing delays and redirection to other airports.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2013 at 6:15PM
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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

To follow up a bit...

A pattern of furloughs will cause delays in major airports and may well close the smaller ones because replacements are not available nor will training of new air traffic controllers be increased. This is a slippery slope where stress-out controllers lose their edges and the systems revert to safety modes of endless maintaining of staging patterns of craft needing to land.

I had a BinL who flew for a major airline during the Reagan years and through the labor crisis. He was in constant fear of an accident happening on take offs and landings. He had the stewards and cabin crew checking adjacent runways and skies and reporting to him or the first officer/co-pilot. He soon transitioned into a training job in the few years remaining to full retirement.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2013 at 8:05PM
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ronalawn82(z9FL)

So often I read about market forces determining price, which business survives and which does not, etc.
My simple (my choice of word) mind is waiting to see the airlines, airport management and ancillary services come together and keep things running smoothly by providing the money to keep the air traffic controllers on the job.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 8:30AM
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esh_ga

My simple (my choice of word) mind is waiting to see the airlines, airport management and ancillary services come together and keep things running smoothly by providing the money to keep the air traffic controllers on the job.

Ah ha! That would certainly be in their best interest, wouldn't it? Somehow I don't see that happening.

    Bookmark   April 29, 2013 at 8:41AM
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