Bonnets, Fresnos, Jalapenos y Habaneros

Valdo(9b)March 11, 2014

On the Starter Tray & Kit I began an egg carton experiment that took off, here is an update of the Scotch Bonnets, Fresnos, Jalapenos and Habaneros. I cannot fathom how to remove these from the carton without destroying something. And no I do not want to save the carton.

The lone cup on the side is an Habanero that has sprout but is taking its time.

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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

A plastic spoon perhaps? Just be gentle.

Josh

    Bookmark   March 11, 2014 at 8:35PM
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woohooman

Screw the plastic spoon. Just use a large tablespoon and scoop the whole thing up.

Kevin

    Bookmark   March 11, 2014 at 9:25PM
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Valdo(9b)

Here is a better pic, very proud of all these. There are 11 scotchs there. Why so many- I have a Jamaican girlfriend who treats those peppers like the national crest. I think they should be on the flag.

One question. This ain't happening now, or even in weeks, but since I live in Southern Louisiana, when can these go outside in permanent pots?

    Bookmark   March 11, 2014 at 9:37PM
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woohooman

A general rule is 4 sets of true leaves Valdo. Allow for hardening off a week or 2 though.

Kevin

    Bookmark   March 11, 2014 at 10:26PM
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Valdo(9b)

That's four layers of leaves AFTER the initial opening no?

    Bookmark   March 11, 2014 at 10:29PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Yes ;-)
I usually let the seedlings develop 3 - 5 pairs of leaves.

Josh

    Bookmark   March 11, 2014 at 10:51PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Getting them out of egg carton, You've got the advice. Incidently i did just one batch of tomatoes in egg carton and I used spoon to get the seedlings out. EC is much tougher than peat cells. I usually break/tear the peat cells.

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 2:04AM
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Valdo(9b)

Here is an update on the collection. Before I germinate more seeds I would like to get these out of the house. There are a few, if not many, things going on:

* The peppers in red cups had to be moved from the egg carton, they were wilting, desperate to create more roots, which they could not.

* Some of the peppers in shot cups are getting leggy and growing fast. I live in Southern Louisiana 9b, so I think it is hot enough to get them outside.

* If I move those to red cups, quite frankly, I have no room for them outside.

* Are these plants mature enough to go outside. If I harden them do I do it in these pots, and before or after transport.

* Bottom line: I want many of them outside, what do I do now?
* Reminder Southern Louisiana, rarely under 50 at night now.

    Bookmark   March 23, 2014 at 5:18PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Hello!
Do you have a protected spot in outdoor shade? That's where I put mine when I am ready to harden them off. Filtered sunlight, under a patio table for example. If you get a lot of wind, put them in a cardboard box.

Josh

    Bookmark   March 23, 2014 at 6:24PM
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DMForcier(8 DFW)

Pot 'em up and move 'em out!

    Bookmark   March 23, 2014 at 8:49PM
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woohooman

You can harden in those, but are they clear? If so, don't let them in direct sun without slipping them in a larger COLORED solo. Clear will act just like a greenhouse and cook those roots.

Personally, I wouldn't let the kids out to play until they had a couple more sets. But, that's me. If you do, you probably want to use some type of wind break around them until they're tougher.

Kevin

    Bookmark   March 23, 2014 at 9:31PM
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Valdo(9b)

I so want to Pot 'em and move 'em out DM, plant them to the necks for more roots and just set them out in the Louisiana sun, with some protection at first no doubt.

About hardening them in those small white cups, not necessarily totally opaque but not clear altogether. Also I fear hardening them in those small pots, stems are quite quite delicate. I took them out today on the porch for about 2 hours and they were flapping quite a bit. Yep, the wind scares me quite a bit- not sure if a box can do it.

A few are even going on their 3rd set of true leaves.

This post was edited by Valdo on Sun, Mar 23, 14 at 22:55

    Bookmark   March 23, 2014 at 10:14PM
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woohooman

Box should be ok as long as it's deep enough. Yes, even the opaque ones will fry them. Kind of easy here to predict the wind.. it normally doesn't kick up until the afternoon. So, if you can recognize the same where you're at, that would be ideal.

Kevin

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 12:48AM
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Valdo(9b)

So red solo then harden, but seems like a wasteful transplant. Does that matter?

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 9:07AM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

You know what they say.....
"Shortcuts make for long delays" (Tolkien).

I think it's worth it to spend the time transplanting and hardening.

Josh

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 10:35AM
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Valdo(9b)

No I just thought that too much transplanting would damage them or something. Stress them out etc.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 11:08AM
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woohooman

Valdo: I'm not saying POT UP/TRANSPLANT to larger solos. Only to slip a larger COLORED solo over each clear cup to prevent those roots from being cooked while hardening off and growing more foliage.

Personally, I'd take my time and pot up. Unlike northerners, you have tons of time left to get many harvests.

kevin

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 11:37AM
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Valdo(9b)

Personally, I think many many of them are too leggy and I want to transplant anyway to bury them to their necks.

Considering I have limited space, think Ill transplant to big red solos place them in a container maybe in a box under my BBQ and see how they do. Very very protected, even covered.

    Bookmark   March 24, 2014 at 12:14PM
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Valdo(9b)

A friend of mine brought me three pepper plants that look like heads of cabbage. Only about a month older than mine. My peppers seem so leggy, thinking about transplanting them. Does a transplant to bigger cup, planted to the first leaves, cause undue stress on the plant?

I am thinking those of you that shouted for more light, more light- may be right!

    Bookmark   March 27, 2014 at 2:55PM
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woohooman

Nope: They won't sideshoot roots like tomatoes do, but planting below soil level can help.

Once again though, lights close to top leaves will lead to stronger, less leggy seedlings. A fan helps too. But if you can with weather permitting, a few days hardening off to full on direct sunlight and breezes is the best thing just make sure those real young ones in the pics above get some more sets of leaves before you let them really brave the outside world.

Kevin

    Bookmark   March 27, 2014 at 3:07PM
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Valdo(9b)

Taking the step, after a massive storm decided to harden these, the largest and the oldest. They are at 4-5 weeks. A bit young but they certainly look older.

Put the small white shots into large red solos to protect from sun.

Comments, raves?

    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 9:55AM
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woohooman

Look fine to me. if it's chilly at night, I'd still bring them in. But as long as temps stay up during the day, I'd keep letting them play outside more and more.

Kevin

    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 12:04PM
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Valdo(9b)

We are getting a 65 here, they are in clouded sun right now for the past 3 hours, tomorrow may do more. Overnight have not tried yet, but a paper box 8 X 11 box is the perfect shelter for keep them sheltered. My key lime and satsuma are blowing savagely, but in the box there is not even a wrinkle.

Can't wait to transplant and go outside.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 12:10PM
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ottawapepper

Looking good Valdo.

I'm envious, I still have at least 7 weeks before I can start hardening off mine.

Bill

    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 12:11PM
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Valdo(9b)

Thanks! If I could mail an acre of Southern Louisiana climate to you, I would.

I am very happy to get them out. BUT there is a major problem (for me) on the outside- GNATS. They have hit the queen scotch bonnet hard and have moved to my aloe vera. I tried neem oil. The only thing I think it did was make my yard smell very exotic- like an Indian bazaar.

I am at this moment trying the near-boiling method. If that don't work, Im moving on to mosquito drops. I like to try things from minimal toxicity and up.

    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 1:27PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Howdy, Valdo, they are looking very good, indeed.

Josh

    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 1:54PM
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Valdo(9b)

I admit I have a confession to make.

I have tried gardening two or three times. Every time I have had problems but I have had one particular bane that runs through my whole family.

I absolutely detest bugs!

I have to admit this fungal gnat problem is putting a serious damper on my pepper hopes- especially when I find them in my home!

Advice? Therapy?

O

    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 2:39PM
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woohooman

Research IPM. Yes, you'll find out that it involves attracting even more types of bugs. But, unless you want to throw all kinds of poisons on your food, it's the best way to keep the bad bugs at bay.

Insects are a part of gardening...the trick is to balance the odds in your favor without using something toxic or using something very low impact like BT, insecticidal soaps and hort. oils like neem. Beneficial insects are the first line of defense, though...nuff said!

P.S. it takes some time, but once you get diversity in the garden, things balance out. 2 plants that will help right away, are cheap, and last for months are marigolds and alyssum. If you want to talk more, I'm here!

Kevin

This post was edited by woohooman on Sat, Mar 29, 14 at 17:46

    Bookmark   March 29, 2014 at 5:35PM
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Valdo(9b)

Noticed two of these plants are wilting, one rather severely when they went out for hardening. Anyone tell me why? Too much sun?

    Bookmark   March 31, 2014 at 11:30AM
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woohooman

Either that, needs water, or possible damping off. If you also potted up recently, give them a chance to adjust(dappled sun or shade only for a few days).

Any temp spike up lately?

Kevin

    Bookmark   March 31, 2014 at 12:00PM
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Valdo(9b)

Too much sun. I brought it in the shade and it IMMEDIATELY popped up.

PS: please don't ever mention damping off again- terrifying!

    Bookmark   March 31, 2014 at 12:35PM
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Valdo(9b)

Big storm a coming, think Ill move the hardening plants indoors, don't think they will survive in their solo cups! The East-South window should do them fine for a few.

A shame I was about to transplant the first scotch bonnet to sprout, looking good!

    Bookmark   April 3, 2014 at 8:32PM
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woohooman

Just don't get TOO anxious. I know you're itching... everybody does. But better to wait than to plant TOO early. Especially where you're located... where you'll get plenty of flushes well into the fall.

You're right. Looking pretty good.

Kevin

    Bookmark   April 3, 2014 at 9:09PM
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Valdo(9b)

I am not going to lie, I am itching badly. I put one of the solo jalapenos outside, as an experiment. It loved the shade where the first potted scotch bonnet is. But yes it is very tempting.

That scotch bonnet is showing signs of growing in what I call the armpits (between stem and leaf-branch. But I know it won't be able to take the wind.

Btw, a fan and some epsom salts really perked the whole crowd up.

PS: By flushes you mean growing opportunities?

    Bookmark   April 3, 2014 at 9:21PM
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woohooman

See. Now that's what I like to see before transplanting-- growth at the nodes(armpits). Once you see that, let them take on some gusts of say up to 20mph(as long as you've let them take on some light winds already).

No. By flushes, I mean harvests. Foliage, flowers, pods, harvest 1. More foliage, more flowers, more pods, harvest 2... and so on. Frost hits the South a little more early than it does here but you should get a good 3 or 4 before packing it in in the late fall(not sure exactly what your climate holds. Might slow down a tad in the midst of the summer but if you can keep them somewhat cool during that time(mulch, shade cloth, shielding or moving containers, etc), they'll keep on trucking. Even if you can't, they''ll pick back up again when the temps lower a bit.

Kevin

    Bookmark   April 3, 2014 at 9:42PM
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Valdo(9b)

I will never check my plants before work.

Rather upset that two of my scotch bonnets, that were rather bent from trying to get light, toppled over- one I had to replant in a hurry. I hope that when I get home they have righted themselves, though I doubt it.

Here is a pic of white nodules I found only on base of the scotch bonnets this morning. Is this making new roots or a sign of some sort of infestation?

Feedback?

    Bookmark   April 7, 2014 at 8:19AM
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Valdo(9b)

Also, these nodules are more dramatic the closer the plant is to the fan

    Bookmark   April 7, 2014 at 8:29AM
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Valdo(9b)

Went a little crazy this afternoon, planted the first scotch bonnet to germinate as of 2/24 in its own pot and put it in a very sheltered place. Hope it works out. Take a chance, get a big payoff!

    Bookmark   April 7, 2014 at 9:10PM
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Valdo(9b)

Noticed these holes about my plants after spotting a slug one morning. Tried the beer trap, may need something stronger tomorrow. Yeesh, its just one invasion after another it seems!

    Bookmark   April 12, 2014 at 9:22PM
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woohooman

May also be earwigs. Sluggo Plus will take care of both. If you're pretty sure it's slugs, just get some iron phosphate pellets. Also, look for green caterpillars. Little early for hornworms, but might be another moth/caterpillar.

Beer works, but the baits are better.

Kevin

    Bookmark   April 12, 2014 at 11:38PM
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Valdo(9b)

The situation is getting worse, getting to the neighbor plants as well. Not sure if it is something internal. I totally looked over the plants and nothing appeared to be hiding anywhere.

Here is an update... Bad huh?

One good thing is that they are growing very very quickly.

Suggestions, don't want to spray or buy anything unless I know what it is.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2014 at 3:17PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Slugs or earwigs.

Roll up some newspaper, spray with some water in the tube, and leave it out overnight. In the morning, dump the tube into a bucket of water to see if there are earwigs.

Investigate at night when the damage is happening.

Josh

    Bookmark   April 13, 2014 at 3:29PM
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woohooman

Go out with a flashlight at night. You'll probably find your culprit then.

Kevin

    Bookmark   April 13, 2014 at 3:35PM
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stoneys_fatali(9b Duarte,Ca.)

Looks like earwigs. We have many of those here. Haven't attacked my peppers but looks like they have got to my Bok Choy.
BTW, my Scorpion Pepper was about 6" tall and had about 10 leaves before I planted in my garden and yes, hardening them off is crucial.

Dave

    Bookmark   April 13, 2014 at 7:38PM
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Valdo(9b)

Woke up bright and early, still dark. Nor last night or this morning did I find anything out of the ordinary. Though the holes did look bigger. I tried flashlight and that newspaper method to no result. I can't go to the store to buy a deterrant until I know what it is. Anyone think it might be internal? I notice it starts as a white spot, then brown, then the hole.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2014 at 8:16AM
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Valdo(9b)

Think I will pick up some Organicide 3 in 1 on my way home. Though I have my reservations with that product since it seems to burn the plants in a warm climate. Since I am still in doubt I want to get an organic general pesticide.

Other Suggestions?

This post was edited by Valdo on Mon, Apr 14, 14 at 10:24

    Bookmark   April 14, 2014 at 10:07AM
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woohooman

I don't THINK it's internal. But, white, then brown, then hole sounds odd. Can you get a pic of those stages?

Organic and general are kind of contradictory since you only want to get the PESTS and leave the beneficials and neutrals alone. Broad spectrum pesticides are bad. That 3 in 1 stuff is probably not a bad one to have around but it's a contact killer and it gets soft bodied insects like aphids and whiteflies.

Post the pics in the Garden Clinic forum -- they might be able to help more than I.

Personally, I think it looks like slugs or earwigs. Try the beer again or get some Sluggo(slugs only) or Sluggo Plus(slugs AND earwigs). You can also make a trap for the earwigs -- google earwig oil trap.

Good luck.

Kevin

    Bookmark   April 14, 2014 at 12:14PM
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Valdo(9b)

Here is a pic of the whiteness. This eventually became holes. I just still do not have an explanation going to do the oil trap next. Just had a thought, could epsalm salt do this. This is all I gave them that I can remember.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2014 at 1:46PM
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Valdo(9b)

Here is a pic of the browning on the left one.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2014 at 1:48PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Though the holes did look bigger.

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Once there is a small hole, as the leave grow, those holes will get bigger.

The second thing: Those holes that I see in the picture are harmless. I would just ignore them. UNLESS more leaves get holes.

The holes are not made by slugs. Slugs start eating from the edge, like caterpillars. Flea beetles make hole that are much smaller and there are usually more of them. Again, once a SMALL hole, will get bigger as the leaves grow big and wide. Often debries from trees, blown by wind can make tiny holes and as the leaves grow the hole get bigger.

FINALLYON Fungus Gnats: They are an indoor problem, BECAUSE your pots are the only place that they can find a Haven in your home. Once the plants are out the fungus Gnats have the whole backyard and more to live and multiply. But if you get a persisting problem try Mosquito Dunks. It is BT and organic.

Sometimes you have to loosen up and let it go. Gardening is not done in laboratory conditions. It is all right if the pests get into your plants but don't let them get into your nerves:)

    Bookmark   April 14, 2014 at 11:03PM
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woohooman

Could be epsom salts. What did the Garden Clinic folks say?

Seysonn: Both slugs and caterpillars will eat holes.

Kevin

    Bookmark   April 15, 2014 at 12:10AM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Seysonn: Both slugs and caterpillars will eat holes.

Kevin

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Yes Kevin, they can but not very often.
Here is a eating pattern of slugs. I know , I have been battling slugs for the last 2 season.

    Bookmark   April 15, 2014 at 5:19AM
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Valdo(9b)

Thanks Seysonn and Kevin. Yeah I need to be a bit more Zen about my gardening. Relax and enjoy the green.

As far as planting them outside, I am debating whether to put some peppers in the front yard or not. Really the only viable garden environment I have right now. Its been strangely cold here and I am still starting my plants out. For some odd reason I am drawn to containers. Perhaps I tried planting them in the ground and none survived.

No word on the Garden Clinic as of yet.

    Bookmark   April 15, 2014 at 8:10AM
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Valdo(9b)

I must quote one of my favorite authors, John Steakley in his work Armor.

"BUGS, BUGS, EVERYWHERE!"

They are white aphids, my camera would lose focus so I am not submitting a photo but they are tiny, flea-like white and a dew-drop shape and very compact.

I sprayed Neem and tried a garlic dishsoap water solution. Still some on there. Wierdly enough they have only hit my friend's gift plants the strong wrinkly cuban and choc habanero plants.
Advice? Yes, I know, buy ladybugs. Anything I could spray?

    Bookmark   April 24, 2014 at 6:48PM
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woohooman

Yep. water. In the morn or evening, First take a nozzle and spray them, then 3 days later, do it again, then 3 days later do it again. Then 3 days later, after the populations have decreased, do the soap in the evening, rinse in the morn. 3 days later same thing.

Check plants at this point. If still some, weekly treatments of neem oil in the evening.

In the meantime, plants some flowers like I've mentioned before.

Kevin

    Bookmark   April 24, 2014 at 7:17PM
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Valdo(9b)

Thought you all deserved an update on the Garden of sorts. Lots going on here. I have a scotch bonnet (something utterly destroyed it and I had to put a cage) and a Fresno in the ground. The largest pot is the original scotch bonnet many of you saw in another post.

The black and white pot on the right are two habanero pepper plants a friend gave me. Behind the large one on the right is a scotch bonnet that seems rather shy.

Updates questions, confusions, are welcome. And yes, some of these I have to wait for it to grow a pod to know what it is.

    Bookmark   May 13, 2014 at 8:16PM
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Valdo(9b)

Massive book-keeping and erroneous labeling errors have caused me to barely know what the hell is in the ground in my yard.

Here is a picture of a mystery pepper, one of four that I have in a grow box. I labeled it a scotch bonnet, looks like fresnos I have labeled elsewhere and someone online told me it looked like something called a Jamaican mushroom which I never even heard of!

Anyone?

    Bookmark   June 2, 2014 at 3:45PM
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abnorm(Orlando)

I sent you the package of NoHeat "Cachucha" seeds.......they look very much like that photo....after growing a while they puff-out some more

Or the similar HOT Yellow Scotch Bonnet........How's the heat ?

doug

    Bookmark   June 2, 2014 at 4:31PM
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