Bhut Seeds from esox07

esox07April 4, 2012

Hello:

I just found out that the seeds I had sent out to probably a dozen individuals this spring labeled as Bhut Jolokia were probably a variety of Naga pepper instead. I had assumed they were true Bhuts as I purchased the original seed from Pepperjoe.com. Never again. I grew three "bhut" plants last year and it seems only one of the three was actually a Bhut Jolokia. Not good odds from a commercial site.

I had posted pictures of my pods several times last year and no one picked up on it until I posted another picture this year. They informed me that the one plant I had of the three that I thought was a cross was actually a Bhut and the other two plants were Nagas. I guess I assumed the lone plant was the rouge plant.

But I am very sorry if you are growing my seed expecting Bhuts as you will be more likely to get Nagas. Believe me, they are still hot as heck.

Again, very sorry,

Bruce

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ottawapepper

Hey Bruce,

I wouldn't sweat sending the seeds out. It appears the shorter stockier pods are Dorset Naga, Naga Morich, etc. They're from the same Assam region of India as the Bhut and Bih and just as crazy hot. Whoever got them may not be calling them the right name but they're still getting a killer pepper ;-)

    Bookmark   April 4, 2012 at 12:30PM
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capoman(5a)

I mentioned it in the other thread, but I found these were the best tasting ones as compared to the ones that were more like the Bhuts, and were just as hot, so I wouldn't sweat it. You gave people some peppers with excellent flavor, which is what really counts. I found those potential Nagas very smokey and citrus, and I actually kept a clone overwinter since I liked it best. It was also the healthiest plant of them all.

    Bookmark   April 4, 2012 at 1:31PM
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habjolokia

Hi Bruce

You have mail

Thanks
Mark

    Bookmark   April 4, 2012 at 6:44PM
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Edymnion(7a)

Crikey, I don't remember if it was you I got mine from or not. Probably was though...

    Bookmark   April 4, 2012 at 9:41PM
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esox07

Edymnion:
Nope, I dont think I sent you any of my Bhut Seeds unless I sent them when you sent me the Mutant Halloween seeds. But I dont think even then.
Bruce

    Bookmark   April 4, 2012 at 10:41PM
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Edymnion(7a)

Nope, someone was nice enough to send me some bhut seed back in late February. Good, means my frankenpepper will indeed have bhut mixed into it. =)

    Bookmark   April 5, 2012 at 9:11AM
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lorabell NC(8)

I like capomans review of the Naga you did send! This is my first year of 'Hots' and I haven't started any 'extremes' yet, but if you still have any of that dreaded non-bhut seed around I would be grateful to get a few.
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Laura

    Bookmark   April 5, 2012 at 11:12AM
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daisydawnny(5)

Whatever they are I have 10 happy healthy seedlings! And I am very thankful for your generosity.

    Bookmark   April 5, 2012 at 12:05PM
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esox07

lorabell: You got mail.

Bruce

    Bookmark   April 5, 2012 at 4:38PM
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simsedward

DAMN IT!! I got my seeds about five years ago from pepper Joe's....and I have been harvesting seeds and keeping them on hand. I hope my plants are actually jolokias or I am going to feel like a major zero.

    Bookmark   April 6, 2012 at 6:59AM
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simsedward

Well, let me have it...if anyone can ID my pepper, please do. I have thought I had Jolokias for five years now....

    Bookmark   April 6, 2012 at 7:08AM
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habjolokia

Hi Simsedward the skin is too smooth to be a Bhut Jolokia, what you have are Naga's

Here is a link that might be useful: GW post with pics of Bhuts and Nagas

    Bookmark   April 6, 2012 at 7:51AM
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ottawapepper

simsedward,

I'm not sure one way or the other from your pictures. I have found that pods can vary somewhat on the same plant and on multiple plants from the same seed source.

Regardless folks, don't get too wound up over Bhut vs. Naga. The Assam Jolokia varieties are all killer hot and have very similar flavour profiles. Yes, some of you have a more refined palette than I but I would have a hard time distinguishing between them.

JMHO

    Bookmark   April 6, 2012 at 11:33AM
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esox07

Yah, simsedward: Looks like Pepperjoe hoodwinked both of us. I am guessing with the immense popularity of the Bhut the last 4 or 5 years, they had run out of true Bhut seed and sent out something that the average joe wouldn't be able to tell the difference on.

Never again will I buy seeds from pepperjoe. But like they say, they are still hot as all heck and I cannot tell the difference either heat or taste wise anyway.
Bruce

    Bookmark   April 6, 2012 at 11:52AM
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esox07

Hey Sims: I thought it was bad that it took me a whole year to find out that I didn't have True Bhuts. 5 years? LOL.

I guess that it just goes to show you that when they are that hot, it just doesn't really matter any more.

    Bookmark   April 6, 2012 at 12:10PM
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chile_freak

not to cast dispersions on any of you,but though I find the heat similar the flavor is very different in my opinion. not as different as a 7 pot and a bhut, but nonetheless different. as to the fact that pepperjoe sent you the wrong seed, it is an inexcusable but unfortunately all too common occurence. However, in this case as I said i think u made out on this one, cuz as much as I love my bhuts, I love my nagas more!
-paul

    Bookmark   April 6, 2012 at 11:29PM
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don555(3a)

No problem Bruce, I'm sure I won't be able to tell the difference anyway. But I agree that if you buy seed from a source that specializes in pepper seeds, you should get the correct type of seed. My main concern with PepperJoe is that I've found the seed to have fairly poor germination -- this spring's hot pepper seeding only had 6 of 18 seeds come up. My sprouting area is cooler than recommended which no doubt plays a role, still 1/3 germination seems low. He does carry a nice selection of seed though...

    Bookmark   April 7, 2012 at 2:16AM
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simsedward

I have used this pepper for so many things and I truly enjoy it....and I will continue with it for sure. I am very disappointed though for several reasons...primarily boosting to everyone about my ghost peppers. Joe and I are done with.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2012 at 5:48PM
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ottawapepper

simsedward,

No email option on your profile?

Send me one via my profile.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2012 at 5:57PM
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esox07

hahaha, I sent Pepperjoe an email with pictures of my two peppers that I grew with his Bhut Jolokia seeds. This is what he said "The 2nd photo looks like the Bhut Jolokia or ghost...it is longer.
Can't be sure on the first...but I'd say 7 pod.

Bruce

    Bookmark   April 7, 2012 at 8:36PM
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habjolokia

Ha ha! Funny, maybe order 7 pod's and you might get a Bhut or Scorpion!

    Bookmark   April 7, 2012 at 9:32PM
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rwaters(7b)

I got most of my seeds this year from pepper joe. No super hots though. Will let y'all know which don't come out true to form.

-Vaughn

    Bookmark   April 7, 2012 at 9:56PM
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scotty66(8 Hutto TX)

Bruce,

Your generosity is still very much appreciated... I have about 6 happy plants growing like weeds. finally after a slow start.
I have a few friends lined up who are wanting to eat whole pods... sounds like these naga's won't disappoint.

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 2:08AM
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esox07

Yep, they are plenty hot. Only the most discerning fire eaters would be able to tell the difference, I imagine.
Good luck,
Bruce

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 10:26AM
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Jon_dear(4/5)

thinking it won`t matter either, when you`re at about a millon scovilles ... with the tears in their eyes they won`t actually SEE the pepper... :D

    Bookmark   April 11, 2012 at 10:40PM
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scotty66(8 Hutto TX)

I'm excited to see what they will be like... it's worse than waiting to open christmas presents. What is it, 3 months to go and counting?

gonna have to change the name tag to Naga.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 1:45PM
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esox07

Looks like you have two plants growing there. They both looks nice.

Bruce

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 2:40PM
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marclocas

Hey Bruce, don't worry about sending the wrong seeds! This was more than generous from you! I will love them as much as bhut Jolokias! And thanks again!

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 3:00PM
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esox07

Thanks. Glad no one is too disappointed. If anyone else wants some more, I am willing to give out a couple more. Be advised that they seem to be some kind of Naga. If anyone wants some, just email me off my member page.

Bruce

    Bookmark   April 13, 2012 at 6:06PM
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don555(3a)

It's been over 4 months since anyone commented on this thread, so I don't feel too bad about shifting direction here. What is the growth habit of these peppers? Bruce sent me some seeds but I don't think I can grow them outdoors with any success since I'm in zone 3. So I thought it might be an entertaining winter project to grow them under fluorescent bulbs and see if I can get any peppers to set and ripen. Space is limited under indoor lights and light levels are low and concentrated close to the lights. So my question is, how do these plants grow? How tall do they get? Do they grow narrow and upright? Short and bushy? Ideally they will be short and bushy, but if not, how well do they respond to pruning to make them bush out?

Seemed kind of weird to plant these for my indoor winter garden in early-mid July with it 90 degrees outside, but I think an early start is needed and hopefully I'm early enough. Anyway, here they are after almost 6 weeks, so I'm wondering whether to prune the leaves to force them to branch out, or just leave them alone and let rootbound pots keep them short and bushy?
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    Bookmark   August 22, 2012 at 4:58AM
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Armageddon

i would not let them root lock to much that could also cause death to your plant if you want to keep them shot and busy best is to top them then when the side branches get a bit long top them also and it should do well but i would use larger pots for sure .

    Bookmark   August 22, 2012 at 5:31AM
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scotty66(8 Hutto TX)

Bruce,

thought i would update this old post with my final harvest. had to bring the plant inside on our first freeze last week.
She has has been growing in a self water 5 gallon bucket container. Summer got a bit harsh for her but she reovered well enough when fall came.

Here she is, in the house, safe from frost.

I picked off all the remaining peppers before cutting off most of the branches for overwintering.

Too be honest, I am not a big fan of the pepper's flavor eaten raw, I find they have a funky / musty taste. But they are awesome in salsas though and I'm hoping to get a dehydrator soon for long term storing.

I look forward to seeing how my overwintering experience pans out (the plant is already starting to put out new growth like crazy). For next season i manged to get ahold of some butch t scorpions, and chocolate Jamaican habaneros.

Thanks again,
Scotty

    Bookmark   December 19, 2012 at 12:18AM
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don555(3a)

Thanks for reviving this thread. I don't know if these are really Nagas, Bhuts, or something else, but I do know they are frighteningly hot. I snipped and ate small pieces of the pepper from the bottom (cooler) end of the pepper, and that pushed me pretty close to pain threshold. I've gone beyond that heat with other peppers before, but never with such tiny pieces from a single pepper. I've grown 3 of these plants under lights this winter, and I can't think of anything to do with the peppers except to dry them so they last and are available for some future use, or maybe just for seeds and a regrow.

Here's some peppers I picked from my 3 plants under flourescent shop-lights recently, with a 25-cent piece in there to show scale. This is some truly furious heat in a hot pepper...

    Bookmark   December 19, 2012 at 4:43AM
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esox07

Well, well well, glad you guys had a good time growing them out. They certainly don't look like Bhuts for you guys either even though that is what they were advertised to be. But I agree with don555, they are hot as heck. I am not a fire eater but I know they are in that range of "too hot for me to tell how hot".

Scott66: looks like yours got nice and big like mine did. I don't know about your production but they put out hundreds of pods per plant for me. I had an early harvest and then got some later ripe ones but some of the plants had well over 100 pods on them still green when my season ended. Not that I could ever use that many anyway.

Something interesting about the pods your guys both grew out is the ones that are shorter, smoother and kind of "strawberry" shaped. I don't remember those. Here is a photo of some of my peppers from the original plants:

    Bookmark   December 19, 2012 at 9:31AM
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daisydawnny(5)

Wish I had taken pictures of my plants from the seed Bruce sent. They were a bit bumpier than the ones pictured. Mine took a beating from the tornado we had so I did not have a huge harvest. I made several batches of salsa with them and it is the most awesome salsa I have made yet. Hubby calls it his football food. I will grow more this year. Looking forward to trying some new varieties this year. Have been cruising the net and catalogs looking for new exciting types to grow. Thank again to Bruce!

    Bookmark   December 27, 2012 at 9:35AM
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esox07

Thanks Daisydawnny.
Glad you enjoyed them. Hope next year's batch turns out good too.
Bruce

    Bookmark   December 27, 2012 at 9:46PM
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robeb_gw

I also received naga seeds from Bruce. We had one hell of a heat wave here this summer but those nagas kept hanging on.

Here's a shot of some pods from my final harvest in November:

Thanks again Bruce, much obliged.

    Bookmark   December 28, 2012 at 3:28AM
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esox07

Glad to hear the seeds were put to good use and did so well. Everyone is welcome.
Bruce

    Bookmark   December 28, 2012 at 1:47PM
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gfinnil

Just found this thread and would love to try these, if anyone has any seeds for sale please let me know.
Jerry

    Bookmark   August 1, 2013 at 11:16PM
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scorpion_john(6)

Jerry, I don't know of anyone on here that sells seeds, we either trade or give them free. I haven't collected seed yet this season, but I can send you seed I collected last year from Bhuts, nagas, scorpions, douglahs, and a bunch of other superhots. or wait a couple of months, and there will be all kinds of seed floating around on here. if you want seeds from last year just email me your address . John

    Bookmark   August 2, 2013 at 1:15AM
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don555(3a)

Digging up this old thread....

At first I coudn't have cared less what kind of seeds these were as long as they were super-hot, but as time went on my curiosity began to burn (pun intended).

After hours of searching the Internet to eliminate/retain any reasonable possible matches, plus comparing online photos to the peppers I personally harvested from these seeds sent out by Bruce a couple years ago, I am now almost 100% convinced that they are Dorset Naga peppers.

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clee22(9)

Bruce you are too kind! I don't think anyone would hold it against you but seriously ty!

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 4:12AM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Don, I know I've posted this before, and I hope no one minds me posting again for reference/comparison. Hopefully this will help put a name to those pods. Here we have Naga Dorset and Naga Morich, which are both incredibly similar. Morich top, Dorset bottom, if I remember rightly.

Josh

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 10:41AM
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esox07

hahaha, glad to see those seeds have been the source of so much speculation for so long.

Bruce

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 11:25AM
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don555(3a)

Josh: Lol, that photo was actually one of the ones I used to clinch the identification once I had narrowed it down to either Dorset or Morich. You posted the same picture at the start of August in a different thread (link below), but then you said the Dorset were on the top. And they definitely look more like the ones on top than on the bottom. Unless you have reason to believe your initial photo back in August was mislabeled, I'll stick with the ID in the original post and say Bruce's seeds are Dorset Naga.
-Don

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/pepper/msg0817423214463.html

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 3:23PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Geez ! It happened 2 years ago. Plus everybody who got the seeds is happy. Leave the guy alone for pepe's sake! : LOL

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 4:01PM
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greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a

Don, thanks! Yeah, it's possible that I could be misremembering now....or mislabeling before. I'll post a pic of a handful of Naga Morich....in that handful, I think I recognize some of the pods from the top of the previous pic.

Josh

    Bookmark   January 14, 2014 at 5:12PM
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northeast_chileman(6a)

This thread needed a "BUMP" Because of great info & fantastic pixs!

    Bookmark   February 8, 2015 at 12:42PM
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toolstack

Haha
Those are some good pictures, I planted naga jolokia, as well as red bhut this year.,..hope I labeled them right
Randal

    Bookmark   February 8, 2015 at 8:31PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Next season gotta have some Naga. Final answer. :-)
They look awesome . Thank Bruce for propagating the seeds (by mistake. hehe).
This year I have Trinidad Scorpion Butch T. My first super hot ever.

Seysonn

    Bookmark   February 9, 2015 at 12:36AM
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Edymnion(7a)

You ordered seeds from Pepper Joe?

    Bookmark   February 14, 2015 at 12:51PM
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esox07

Many years ago. First year growing peppers. Last time though.

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Seysonn_ 7b-WA/HZ1

I like thm a lot , Bruce. Give me some seeds next year. I am fully booked for this year. :-)

Seysonn

    Bookmark   February 14, 2015 at 7:01PM
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esox07

I have a few seeds left, I think. I gave out most of what I had harvested that first year and have not grown them out since. Seems they have sprung up in other gardens the last couple years though...hhahaha. Seysonn, if you want some, I will go check and send them if I still have more than a few left. Otherwise, I am sure a few others out there have some saved seed.

Bruce

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