Word for the Day

demifloyd(8)May 15, 2012

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable

of leading are elected by the least capable of producing; where members of

society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods

and services paid for by confiscated wealth from a diminishing number of producers.

Conversely, I'll make my own for the other end of the spectrum:

Reciprocityocreacy - a system of government where the least capable of leading are elected by those willing to finance the campaign coffers of the least capable of leading in order to insure that business and personal interests are protected.

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esh_ga

This goes along with your theory that those that benefit from welfare (e.g., living off the taxpayers in your dictionary) are actually VOTING people like Obama into office.

I don't think you have any numbers to prove that.

And I think you misspelled your new word. Should "Reciprocityocreacy" be "Reciprocityocracy"?

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 12:45PM
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demifloyd(8)

Yep, I did!

:)

I don't have to have numbers to prove anything.

They are "made up" terms.

Which, since I made it up, it can be spelled any way!~

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 12:53PM
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markjames

Only anecdotal data, but nearly all of our relatives receiving numerous public assistance benefits stated they plan on voting for Obama.

We only have a few relatives on-the-fence so to speak.

Regardless of who's elected, they'll still be poor and unemployable.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 1:00PM
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esh_ga

I know, I thought about not mentioning the spelling since it was a made up word!

On the numbers, you don't have to have any for this post ... but in other posts I thought I had asked you what kind of stats you have to support your belief that welfare recipients vote for those that continue to legislate for welfare benefits.

So you get a pass here, but not in other places in the future.

Maybe other people can think up some new words too. This could be fun.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 1:02PM
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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Italian phrase for the day: Parlare a vanvera.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 1:04PM
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mrskjun(9)

This goes along with your theory that those that benefit from welfare (e.g., living off the taxpayers in your dictionary) are actually VOTING people like Obama into office.

Did I miss something in demi's OP? Nothing said about which party anyone would vote for huh? Are you saying esh that those who benefit most from welfare will be voting for Obama? Why do you think that is?

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 1:11PM
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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

I think "least capable of producing" can go either way.

Trust fund kiddies (in my experience) are less capable of producing than your average welfare recipient. Sure, they can produce through investment, but are more likely to blow their money. At least welfare recipients spend part of their life producing, even as an uneducated labourer or service personnel.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 1:52PM
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jlhug

Esh, put yourself in the people who receive benefits - would you vote for the party that increased and extended those benefits over the past few years and isn't saying they are going to cut them? Or would you vote for the party that will most likely cut those benefits?

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 1:54PM
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esh_ga

There is no doubt that people SHOULD vote for people that have policies that benefit them. For example, WOMEN should vote for democrats because democrats are more likely to develop and support policies that benefit certain women's issues like: support for birth control, decisions regarding abortion, fair pay in the workplace, etc.

Of course there ARE exceptions so you really do have to also look at the person, not just the platform.

But the question was DO people actually DO that? My position (which originated from other comments by demi on other threads) is that people a) don't always vote in their own best interest and b) don't always even VOTE! When it comes to people on welfare, especially any LONGTERM welfare folks (you know, the ones some of you call "generational") I am willing to be that over 50% of them don't even vote. Either because they don't have access to get there or they aren't even aware enough of the process to get registered and do it.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 2:04PM
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demifloyd(8)

Posted by hamiltongardener CAN 6a (My Page) on
Tue, May 15, 12 at 13:52

I think "least capable of producing" can go either way.

Trust fund kiddies (in my experience) are less capable of producing than your average welfare recipient. Sure, they can produce through investment, but are more likely to blow their money. At least welfare recipients spend part of their life producing, even as an uneducated labourer or service personnel.

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Of course it can go both ways, HG, and again, I'm sure you're personal experience supports your statement.

Most "trust fund" types I know of are educated, however, and are indeed, more capable of "producing" than those that depend on welfare throughout a lifetime.

That would be "productivity" that would bring in more tax dollars. Of course not all "productivity" is monetary, so of course anyone could be a producer, depending on one's definition.

Esh, mrskjun made a very good point.

As to one being expected to vote what would benefit them, others have said that on this forum, and expressed incredulity that one would vote "against their own interests."

I do not agree that one should always vote for what benefits them--I think that principles should be considered.

For example, although I most certainly (at least in the short term, personally) benefited from the bailouts by the government, I opposed them and still do.

As I noted in the OP, I made up the last term but I did not make up the first one, although it is "made up."

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 2:14PM
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esh_ga

I do not agree that one should always vote for what benefits them--I think that principles should be considered.

Fewer people have principles to consider, demi. That is a shame, but true.

I think we are agreeing here - people don't always vote for what benefits them. Those that benefit the most from "Obamacare" will not necessarily vote for Obama or the Democrats that enacted it.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 2:20PM
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jillinnj

I do not agree that one should always vote for what benefits them--I think that principles should be considered.

I absolutely agree! Hey, is that a first, demi? You and I agreeing? ;-)

As I've said before, I would vote for the candidate that would raise my taxes because I think it's the right thing to do.

This is a fun topic!

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 2:37PM
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ohiomom

Red states collect more fed dollars, so the theory that the leaches vote Dem does not seem likely ... facts speak louder than smack.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 2:47PM
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demifloyd(8)

We used to have high turnout when politicians got $5 per vote.

Maybe that explains it.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 3:09PM
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inkognito

Websters gives a simpler definition (ineptocracy (noun) : government by the inept) a word that found its way into the dictionary during the Bush years for some strange reason. It is a system that comes about when people reverse John Kennedy's famous saying "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" leading to a government that favours the few above the many.

The other word is a good example of a Parlare a vanvera.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 3:31PM
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demifloyd(8)

Too bad you and Nancy can't let a little attempt at levity go and instead have a need to go out of your way to throw darts, Ink. :/

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 4:38PM
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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

We're waiting for a successful attempt at levity!

Until then... tricky attempt at spacing non parlare a vanvera. :0)

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 4:55PM
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inkognito

Hey Demi not the old "I was only joking" schtick again surely?

You live in a country that has more then its fair share of a military industrial complication so excuse me if levity about "producing" doesn't reduce me to uncontrollable giggles.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 6:15PM
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lily316(z5PA)

Ohiomom is right. red states get more fed assistance than non- red, so your point is?

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 6:31PM
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inkognito

Lily if you think that all of the problems that exist can be shifted away from you because of a party divide that you see yourself on the right side of gawd help us.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 6:43PM
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Roughseas

romney created thousands of jobs- in china.

maybe he should run for office there.

    Bookmark   May 15, 2012 at 9:55PM
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esh_ga

Roughseas - LOL

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demifloyd(8)

New word:

Disputatious

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 10:33AM
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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10
    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 10:43AM
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esh_ga

Disputatious

Clever! I am feeling very disputatious this morning. I don't know why.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 10:53AM
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elvis

Nancy in Venice (CA, right? Not Italy):"New phrase: fare una brutta figura."

Come maleducato.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 11:23AM
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demifloyd(8)

Oh, Esh, don't feel disputatious.

We have more than enough grump and negativity.

Apparently trying to insult out finesse another poster is an activity preferable to more lofty pursuits.

As to loftier pursuits, I'll leave the snide comments in Italian to you, Nancy, as I am about to turn my concentration to the first movement of Clara Schumann's Concerto, "allegro maestoso."

Concerto that makes the soul soar

Ci vediamo

(stb"c")

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 11:54AM
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mylab123(z5NW)

Don't you just love it when Demi trys to - oh! - so carefully explain to one of us why it is she is just so much better (loftier) than most of us?

Though she tends to get a tad bit grumpy when we refuse to accept her self appointed status of elevation, she never stops trying to educate us about that particular position, most certainly!

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 12:57PM
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inkognito

It was Hyacinth Bucket, excuse me Bouquet that came to mind mylab.

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demifloyd(8)

Gee, I sure hope when I'm as old as y'all I'm not so high and mighty and grumpy!

Now, I must return to my preparations, the vicar is coming for tea!

Smile, people!

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 1:23PM
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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Come maleducato maleducata.

There, fixed the phrase written by elvis, la malistruita.

Verb of the day: approfittarsene.

L'uomo d'affari se ne approfitta del disastro.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 1:23PM
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demifloyd(8)

Posted by nancy_in_venice_ca SS24 z10 CA (My Page) on
Wed, May 16, 12 at 13:23

"Come maleducato maleducata.

There, fixed the phrase written by elvis, la malistruita.

Verb of the day: approfittarsene.

L'uomo d'affari se ne approfitta del disastro."

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Here, Elvis, you can use this from my earlier post:

"Ci vediamo

(stb"c")

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The (stb"c") is "sure to be corrected."

You are SO PREDICTABLE, Nancy!

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 1:26PM
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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Use proper Italian syntax and there will be no corrections -- unless you are assuming that elvis would prefer to communicate ignoring basic rules.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 1:40PM
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Circus Peanut

Now, I must return to my preparations, the vicar is coming for tea!

Hey, while you're at it -- ask the vicar how s/he likes the Republican plan to increase military spending at the cost of feeding the poor.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 1:50PM
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demifloyd(8)

Posted by circuspeanut 5 (My Page) on
Wed, May 16, 12 at 13:50

Now, I must return to my preparations, the vicar is coming for tea!

Hey, while you're at it -- ask the vicar how s/he likes the Republican plan to increase military spending at the cost of feeding the poor.

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No thanks, ciruspeanut, I do not discuss religion and politics in polite company.

That's why I do it here.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 1:55PM
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esh_ga

Ouch!

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 2:01PM
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elvis

Demi: "No thanks, ciruspeanut, I do not discuss religion and politics in polite company.

That's why I do it here."

Oh, my! ;0

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 3:38PM
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grapeleaves

Remember this post the next time Demi says she never speaks disrespectfully to another poster.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 3:48PM
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elvis

I think Demi is laughing at all of us, including herself, and for good reason.

I found this definition: "in polite society/circles/company: among people who are considered to have a good education and correct social behaviour - often used humorously: You can't use words like that in polite company."

"Disrespectful" doesn't apply, IMO.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 4:38PM
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inkognito

I just heard a good new word that I think we can get some mileage out of: liarrhea (if you insist I can offer a definition but...)

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 5:04PM
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duluthinbloomz4

Greedom and the resulting greedastrophe.

Ain't the Urban Dictionary grand?

Hyacinth Bucket... as it's been said, "someone has to fly the flag of finesse." LOL

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 6:04PM
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labrea_gw

hebetudinous a word that could be appropriate for well so many occasions on this forum!
Came across it once when I was looking for a Rose Hebe's Lip.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 7:20PM
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elvis

Very cumbersome word. Aaaand, if anyone but you used it, there would be hell to pay, right? The threads have taken a disappointing bend today. I can understand why you choose gibberish so often, truly.

Hope Edd is doing well today :)

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 9:41PM
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labrea_gw

Thanks Elvis It's getting complicated as he now has had 3, 7 hour major surgeries in less than 2 months & The FDA has done whats called a 1A recall on the device he had implanted. It now comes with warnings & cautions to the surgeons about a design feature that could cause problems like the ones he's had twice now. I think we may need a product liability lawyer next.

    Bookmark   May 16, 2012 at 10:17PM
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elvis

Oh, no. I'm praying for you guys (can't hurt!).

Seeing a lawyer is a good idea--for one thing it's a good stress outlet; you must be wound pretty tight by now.

I dare you to use that word in the middle of a sentence and see if anyone notices ;)

    Bookmark   May 17, 2012 at 12:03AM
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demifloyd(8)

Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on
Wed, May 16, 12 at 16:38

I think Demi is laughing at all of us, including herself, and for good reason.

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And you would be correct, Elvis.
;)

    Bookmark   May 17, 2012 at 12:09AM
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elvis

Cool. 'Night :)

    Bookmark   May 17, 2012 at 12:20AM
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labrea_gw

I might dare it in the future but it tends to be antiquated even for medical usage. Potentially describing someone after a heavy anesthesia.
Well no see that could work on here.
Judging From his overall hebetudinous response to what was being said, Labrea must not yet be out from under the anesthesia.

    Bookmark   May 17, 2012 at 10:25AM
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