OK to badmouth Romney, but not Obama

bill_vincent(Central Maine)May 21, 2012

You're telling the truth if you badmouth Romney, but you can be thrown in jail if you say anything bad about Obama. That was the message to a class from their teacher.

It's no wonder this country's going straight to hell with garbage like this.

Here is a link that might be useful: What a maroon

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grapeleaves

I suspect one could come up with endless situations in which a teacher crossed the line in pushing their own ideology.

I'll give you two from the school my grandchildren go to.
1. The teacher who prayed with my grand daughter's class every day before they had their snack certainly crossed the line just as this teacher did.

2.Last week we went to my grandson's band concert / choir concert.
The choir closed with a fundamentalist style religious song.

My grandchildren shouldn't be subjected to fundamentalist religion in the public school and neither should those children in the example in the OP be subjected to the teachers political ideology.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 4:37PM
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natal(Louisiana 8b)

Bill, don't you wish we could edit? ;)

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 4:39PM
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elvis

Bill, I saw your post, then poof! It was gone; so I dug up the story. Hence, our two posts--sorry~~

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 4:55PM
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terriks

I have a friend that told me his elementary teacher taught him that each state has two senators: one Republican and one Democrat. Sadly, not every teacher has a grasp on what is in the Constitution.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 4:57PM
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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

Elvis,

That happens to me occassionally too. If you have a thread disappear, wait a minute, refresh the page, and it's usually back.

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adoptedbyhounds

Teaching tolerance, liberal style.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 5:44PM
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krycek1984(6a/Cleveland)

I think this is being blown out of proportion...a dumb teacher made a dumb comment...it is not some liberal public school conspiracy.

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frank_il

A teacher should never bring their politics into a classroom. It is insanely unprofessional. If asked a question they need to remain as neutral as possible.

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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

A "dumb" teacher? More like a union mouthpiece, that just happens to be a teacher.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 6:37PM
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inkognito

Bill: can I suggest that you go and tie a few flies or something.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 6:37PM
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frank_il

Yeah, because that is the uneducated dolt that the teacher's union want as their "mouthpiece". That is ridiculous.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 6:39PM
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citywoman2012

I wonder how many times she disrespected the President George W. Bush?

If that was my son I would already have a lawyer and have her in the hot seat.

She is black... what doesn't she get about freedom of speech. You would think freedom of speech would be a teaching tool for her.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 6:58PM
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elvis

Frank nailed it, IMHO.

Thanks, HG--I feel better now ;)

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:01PM
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krycek1984(6a/Cleveland)

I don't see what people are getting fired up about. There are bigger fish to fry. A lawyer? Really?

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:04PM
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frank_il

"If that was my son I would already have a lawyer and have her in the hot seat."

Why? She is most likely going to lose her job for being incompetent. What more would you do?

"I wonder how many times she disrespected the President George W. Bush?"

Did you listen until the end? She was just as misguided about criticizing any President.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:06PM
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ohiomom

"she is black"

.....and this is relevant how ?

I have seen a lot of ignorance in my many years of life, and one thing I can tell you it has no "color".

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elvis

Yes, CW--I don't get that, either.

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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

I don't care if it's a liberal OR conservative agenda. NO teacher should be DEMANDING that a student fall in lockstep with their opinions.

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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

Ink-- I'd make a suggestion to you as well, but I don't need the trouble with Tamara again.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:27PM
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frank_il

"I don't care if it's a liberal OR conservative agenda. NO teacher should be DEMANDING that a student fall in lockstep with their opinions."

I absolutely agree.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:33PM
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citywoman2012

Ok,,,,I can't believe I am having to explain this.
She is black. Obama is her God.

I doubt...don't know this for a fact...but I doubt she would be that aggressive toward a student over any other President.

He brings out the aggression in most of his followers but more so in his African-American followers.
They say they relate to him and they feel protective towards him.

She did not lose her job and the school system said they would not discuss it.

A lawyer yes. She screamed in his face....and was letting him know his opinion was worthless.

Some of you defending her need to put the shoe on the other foot....think on this one.

A white teacher in a class room is for Romney.
A black kid is for Obama. The teacher is talking about Obama
being a jerk and the kid says.....well...Romney is a jerk too. The teacher screams in his face to shut up.

You liberals would go ballistic.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:36PM
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kwoods(Cold z7 Long Is)

"Ok,,,,I can't believe I am having to explain this.
She is black. Obama is her God.

I doubt...don't know this for a fact...but I doubt she would be that aggressive toward a student over any other President.

He brings out the aggression in most of his followers but more so in his African-American followers.
They say they relate to him and they feel protective towards him. "

And, this isn't racist how exactly? I would very much like someone beside CW to defend these clearly racist statements.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:44PM
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chase_gw

"She is black. Obama is her God."

What an unbelievable thing to say. Worse part is there are a ton of folk who believe that , how condescending and belittling of black people.

How about this .......
" She is white. Obama is her devil" would you take exception to that?

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:48PM
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maggie2094

The closer we get to the election the more a light is shined.

Squeeze it like a cyst and get to the core and the truth of the Obama hatred.

For the record, I saw no one on this thread defend this teacher. She is completely out of bounds as was the student for cursing.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:49PM
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chase_gw

"She is black. Obama is her God."

What an unbelievable thing to say. Worse part is there are a ton of folk who believe that , how condescending and belittling of black people.

How about this .......
" She is white. Obama is her devil" would you take exception to that?

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:50PM
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ohiomom

You either have to laugh or cry, and once more I am amused by the white folk speaking words for black folk.

Do carry on ...

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 7:59PM
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frank_il

Citywoman, you dig a deeper hole each time you speak. Do you possess a filter? You could not possibly be less racially sensitive. How would you feel if someone said the only reason you like Romney is because he is white just like you.

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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

If Obama would have kept his promise and fired the bad teachers..............

Frank and Stanly wouldn't have had to classify her as dumb and an uneducated dolt.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 8:07PM
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maggie2094

Cant believe Barack The Magic Negro didn't do that!

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chase_gw

LOL Maggie:-)

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 8:19PM
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ohiomom

....really have to wonder what some folks are smoking on this forum, cause this is one of those threads that have definitely dropped down the rabbit hole.

Go ask Alice....

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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

cause this is one of those threads that have definitely dropped down the rabbit hole.

Too bad, too.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 8:26PM
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kwoods(Cold z7 Long Is)

Bill, people want to twist this stupidity and somehow tie this teacher to Obama. CW has done exactly that. Dog whistle?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Dog whistle?

That would have been more subtle.

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citywoman2012

Let me see......I figured the word racist would be dropped
into this conversation by someone.

I find some of you very predictable.
I tell it like it is ...always.

African-Americans back Obama over gay marriage.
They are backing him because they are black and so is he.

Is that being racist on my part.....or is that the truth.

Black teacher screaming in students face to not talk about Obama.....racist on my part or is that the truth.

Some people sure have a double standard for how they word things on this forum.

I don't stick my head in the sand. I call it like I see it.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 10:05PM
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frank_il

Unfortunately, you seem to see things as a person of an older generation who still calls people "colored".

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citywoman2012

But but but Frank....Sherri on The View said exactly that about Obama!
As far as a filter....thats a laugh on this forum.

How many times on this same forum I have seen "white men"
and "white people" slammed....bashed and targeted for different reasons.
"Rich ole white men" etc. White men trying to keep women slaves etc.

Not one person except for Bill ever stepped up and called anyone on those remarks. Were they racist remarks?

Do some get a pass on that?
I realize a few of you sit in wait for me to post anything you can bash me on.....thats ok....I tell it like it is so this won't be the last time.

Now have at it.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2012 at 10:20PM
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terriks

And of course, Sherri on The View speaks for all black people.

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citywoman2012

terriks...I don't think there is a white person walking the face of this earth that can speak for a black person.

I would imagine Sherri on The View comes pretty close.

Alot of white people on this forum try and I think it implies of a huge ego on their part.

I know black people have a bond that is beyond anything a white person could ever understand.
This information comes from my sister-in-law who I admire and respect.

She also tells it like it is and she said she was glad to see a President in the WH that looks like her. She says the pride is overwhelming and she feels like he is a brother that has made their race proud.
She loves her Obama. On this we differ.

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fouquieria(10b)

I'm sure Obama and Romney have both been badmouthed a lot over the course of the last six years. That's part of politics. Seems like we've crossed a lot of lines over the years. I guess proudly putting ones bigotry on display in a Hot Topics gardening forum site is just another line.

I couldn't make heads nor tails of the video. They all sounded southern and they were all talking at the same time. Obviously some can interpret much better than I can.

-Ron-

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maddie_athome

The same people who always come running to defend the scumbags, no matter how heinious they are, get all huffy-puffy over this.

True colours sure are showing.

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The Examiner Accidently Spills The Beans. After she had criticized Mitt Romney for a report in which he allegedly bullied a high school classmate, one student responded by asking about Barack Obama.

"Didn't Obama bully someone though," the student asked, prompting the teacher to yell at the student.

"Stop, no, because there is no comparison," she told the student.

"He's running for president," she said of the presumptive GOP nominee. "Obama is the president."

"Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush?" the teacher said toward the end of the exchange, telling the student, "you are not supposed to slander the president."

Over the weekend, Breitbart.com reported that the student involved asked a friend to record the exchange in order to "prove to his parents what he has been trying to tell them for some time. The teacher in this video has a long history of pushing a liberal agenda, by shouting down students. She is very intolerant of other points of view that she does not share. The atmosphere at this school is not very conducive to opposing views."

"...a long history of pushing a liberal agenda" - dead giveaway.

How long has this been going on I wonder...Totally unprofessional that the teacher lost it--she should have seen right through this.

Badmouthing is not the same as criticism. There's also a difference between criticizing and lying. Clearly this kid has yet to learn that lesson.

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heri_cles

How many times on this same forum I have seen "white men" and "white people" slammed....bashed and targeted for different reasons.
"Rich ole white men" etc. White men trying to keep women slaves etc.

Not one person except for Bill ever stepped up and called anyone on those remarks. Were they racist remarks?

Bill stepped up and did what?

Ok,,,,I can't believe I am having to explain this.
She is black. Obama is her God.
He brings out the aggression in most of his followers but more so in his African-American followers.

That is beyond racist, it's laughable and ridiculous.

    Bookmark   May 22, 2012 at 4:03AM
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ohiomom

White Americans back Romney over animal abuse.
They are backing him because they are white and so is he.

    Bookmark   May 22, 2012 at 7:35AM
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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

There's also a difference between criticizing and lying. Clearly this kid has yet to learn that lesson.

Then teach THAT lesson. NOT that it's illegal to say something bad about the president.

The same people who always come running to defend the scumbags, no matter how heinious they are, get all huffy-puffy over this.
True colours sure are showing.

Excuse me?

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esh_ga

she said she was glad to see a President in the WH that looks like her. She says the pride is overwhelming and she feels like he is a brother that has made their race proud.

Women would feel the same way if a woman was elected - they would feel PROUD. But that would not make their new President their GOD - they would not feel that I way. I think you are exaggerating this a bit.

When you say things like this citywoman I feel that you denigrate black people to only being capable of "celebrating a brother above all things". Believe it or now there are black people that DO NOT support Obama. And there are white people that DO support Obama. By and large, people support him or not because of his policies, not his color.

To suggest that people only support him because he is black, like them, implies they are incapable (or ignorant) of liking him for any VALID reason.

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chase_gw

"African-Americans back Obama over gay marriage.
They are backing him because they are black and so is he
Is that being racist on my part.....or is that the truth."

If those are the only two choices then you are being racist because it certainly is not the truth.

Supporting, or not supporting, gay marriage is not based on the colour of the skin of the President. To say so is ridiculous.

As a matter of fact many, many blacks are very upset about the Presidents stand on gay marriage and have been very vocal about it. You do know that don't you?

    Bookmark   May 22, 2012 at 7:52AM
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To suggest that people only support him because he is black, like them, implies they are incapable (or ignorant) of liking him for any VALID reason.

I agree with you on that, Esh. But there are a few prominent blacks who make that accusation and encourage people to vote against him due to his lack of character and integrity. There are plenty of black people who bad mouth Obama for using their vote and then not doing what he promised to do: Change Washington.

Black people expected much more out of him as President. That's a fact!

    Bookmark   May 22, 2012 at 7:56AM
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maddie_athome

Wasn't aimed at you, Bill.

She didn't say it's 'illegal to criticize Obama': "Do you realize that people were arrested for saying things bad about Bush?" the teacher said toward the end of the exchange, telling the student, "you are not supposed to slander the president."

Not quite the same.

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ohiomom

Black people expected much more out of him as President. That's a fact!

:)

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esh_ga

Uh, white people did too. Why should "black" people get to claim that privilege, brush?

Any prominent blacks who say anything about that are just offering their opinion. They don't speak for all black people just as a "prominent white" person saying the say would not speak for all white people.

Sheesh.

    Bookmark   May 22, 2012 at 8:13AM
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adoptedbyhounds

I'm guessing the school district will have one less intolerant, left-wing ideologue abusing students in her classroom next year.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Cornell West and Tavis Smiley, along with other progressives, are very specific in their criticisms of President Obama's policies; if President Obama were to follow their suggestions, you would hear even louder howls from the GOP and people such as brushworks who are anti-union, and anti-stimulus spending.

Please do not conflate progressive criticism of President Obama's policies with those who think he is an arrogant socialist.

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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

She didn't say it's 'illegal to criticize Obama':

Actually, she did.

During the 10-minute verbal exchange, which was recorded (video below), the teacher accused the student of disrespecting President Obama and added that the boy could be jailed for speaking ill of the president.

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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

The teacher's been suspended.

Here is a link that might be useful: Yeah, it's Fox

    Bookmark   May 22, 2012 at 1:08PM
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esh_ga

As she should be.

    Bookmark   May 22, 2012 at 1:21PM
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citywoman2012

Posted by esh_ga z7 GA (My Page) on Tue, May 22, 12 at 7:43

By and large, people support him or not because of his policies, not his color.
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Esh....of most liberals on this forum I respect your opinion
more than most because you usually are the more of the level headed....think things through types.
I am not doubting you believe this because you think with your head not your heart.
That aside....the following is the opinion that was passed on to me.

My SIL is one of the smartest women I know. She was CEO of one of the largest sporting good companies that she and my brother owned.

We have talked countless times about the Obama phenomenon.
She and my brother voted for him because of his policies and she was beyond proud that he is black.

She also went into great detail about the uneducated black population and the poor that followed because he was one of them and a lot of the Rev. and Bros in the church told them to get behind their brother.
She found nothing wrong in that.

She has talked about them being bussed in by the thousands all across the country to vote in 2008 and it was liking to the momentum of the courage and unity of the civil rights movements. It was one unit working togeather for a "brother".

Now that is one side ....the other side is the blacks who voted for him because of his policies.
Then you have the whites who voted for him to show they weren't racist then the whites who voted for him because of his policies.

I think my SIL is more qualified to give an opinion on her race than any of us on HT.

So, when I say lots of blacks voted for Obama because of his skin color....there is no reason for anyone to get defensive about it.
It happened. As Forrest Gump says......s*** happens!

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inkognito

Do you think that number would be cancelled out by the number of people who voted for McCain because Obama is black?

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jillinnj

Stupid teacher. She should be removed and should not be allowed to teach children when she doesn't know what she's talking about. And pushing a political agenda in a high school classroom is unacceptable.

Citywoman's comments are absolutely disgusting. Unfortunately, it is what I've come to expect from her.

As usual, frank_il is the only independent/conservative/non-liberal to criticize her. Again.

citywoman - I sure hope you have nothing to do with children in any portion of your life. Because if you do, I have to assume you are teaching them your disgusting, racist ways. If you do, I can only hope they are smart enough to not listen to you. Your comments are disgraceful.

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esh_ga

CW, I fully believe that you believe in your SIL. You of course are the one talking to her. And I'm sure some of what she believes is true - I for one am glad for every young black person that was motivated to do his/her best in light of Obama's accomplishments. And I'm sure some people may have gotten transportation assistance to get to the polls. Do I believe that there were thousands of them? Even 2000 among 250 million people would be considered "thousands" but yet a small percentage of the total. So, yes, it could have been thousands. But you know they could only have been bussed a little ways - my voting precinct is only 5 miles from my house. It's not like they were transporting them across state lines and flooding the polling places.

I think my SIL is more qualified to give an opinion on her race than any of us on HT.

You are assuming there are no black posters here. That is not true. I am sure some black people voted for Obama because he was black. Just like some people voted for Hillary because she was a woman. You're right - it happens.

Then you have the whites who voted for him to show they weren't racist

This, I don't believe. When I vote, NO ONE sees me press the button. I can tell everyone that I voted for Obama when in fact I didn't. Therefore, if someone voted for Obama, it should be because they believed in him (or didn't believe in his opponent) not because they wanted to "show" they weren't racist. They can "show" people simply by lying about how they voted, they don't have to actually vote for him.

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jodik_gw

Gosh, I'm so torn... who do I side with on this... black or white, I say with much sarcasm...

It's my belief that public school teachers of any ethnic background should try to answer students honestly, using factual information, without bringing their personal politics or religious beliefs into any discussion.

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elvis

CW: "Then you have the whites who voted for him to show they weren't racist."

Esh: "This, I don't believe...They can "show" people simply by lying about how they voted, they don't have to actually vote for him."

Esh, nice reply to CW. However, I gotta tell ya that my mother absolutely did vote for Obama, she said (to me) because she wanted her friends at the library and senior center to know that just because she's a white senior doesn't mean she's a racist. She said in her social circle, it was the "thing to do to prove you weren't a Racist". Most of them did indeed get a busride to the polls.

"They can "show" people simply by lying about how they voted, they don't have to actually vote for him"

That part doesn't work for this group of people. They don't lie so easily.

Just sayin'.

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kwoods(Cold z7 Long Is)

Talk about throwing mom under the bus...

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chase_gw

This is such a strange conversation to me.

To say that people voted for Obama because he was black...does that mean that if he had been white they would have voted for McCain?

It's just difficult for me to understand how a large number of conservatives voted for a democrat because he was black. That's basically what one is saying when one says "they" voted for him because he is black....else they wouldn't have????

Something about that doesn't connect in my brain!

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ohiomom

Move over Chase cause I am "confused in cleveland" ... so all the black people (well at least since they have been "allowed" to vote) that voted for presidents only voted for them because they were white.

Cause that is the only choice any of us have been given since I was born, and those before me ... white males.

And by your reasoning every single one of those white males were elected only for their color.

Go ask Alice....

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citywoman2012

Chase and Ohiomom.
If only everyone thought like we do.
We can't wrap our mind around alot of things but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Everyone and everything and every action can't be explained.
I am only stating what my SIL said.

If she is RIGHT.....that doesn't mean the world as we know it is doomed.

It just means people make choices even voting choices that are not based on research and education.

Jill...never for second do I take you are your comments serious.
You and a few ....very few others construe everything I say
into a negative . I guess thats your job.

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elvis

CW: "Then you have the whites who voted for him to show they weren't racist".
"So, when I say lots of blacks voted for Obama because of his skin color...."

It's not that complicated. I'm saying that I know for a fact, in my own personal experience, that it has happened. This may mean that there are others, ya think?

KW: "Talk about throwing mom under the bus..."

That's not funny; she's got all her marbles, she's just naive like so many of her generation when people were basically a lot more sincere than nowadays. She honestly believed she was being kind to the "nice young colored man".

So for whatever reason, right, wrong, indifferent, the fact is that undoubtedly some people voted for Obama because he presents himself as black.

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ohiomom

Wooosh !

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mylab123(z5NW)

For newcomers who are just reading:

Citywoman2012 publically stated:
"I'm always told I'm a racist."

We have had several very long threads discussing her opinions on Obama, women, women's rights, American voters - opinions she has been very vocal and very frank about.

It is what it is.

I'm glad Citywoman is here. She has been in and out of this forum for many years under the use of other names. She stays awhile, then leaves.

Everything she says should be heard by ALL of us, I think it is very important to realize and accept that she represents a significant percentage of conservative American white voters.

I hope Citywoman remains an active and vocal member of Hot Topics.

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esh_ga

Yeah, we agreed with that. People voted for him because his is black. Agreed.

The question is the VOLUME. Did most people that voted for him do it because he is black? Or just a few? Or several? Or some?

SOME people like to act like MOST black people voted for him JUST because he is black. That remains unsubstantiated.

Sorry about your mom.

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jodik_gw

It's all about political correctness these days, not to mention that ever present "ick factor", the newest bogeyman under the bed, and on and on... no matter what a person says or does, the collective intake of breath can be audibly heard for miles, everyone within range offended to some degree about something. But I digress...

There are certain things we expect out of our educators, and bringing personal politics and religious beliefs into the classroom is simply not one of them.

I think we are all old and/OR young enough here to know what terms are acceptable as far as race goes, so there's no real excuse for using terms that are no longer part of the socially acceptable norm. That's just my take on it.

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kwoods(Cold z7 Long Is)

"Yeah, we agreed with that. People voted for him because his is black. Agreed. "

There is a yin to that yang Esh.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

I hope Citywoman remains an active and vocal member of Hot Topics.

I second mylab's comment.

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esh_ga

There is a yin to that yang Esh.

NO! Are you saying that some people DIDN'T vote for him because he is black?!

I never expected that.

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krycek1984(6a/Cleveland)

All of this from a teacher who made a mistake....amazing.

    Bookmark   May 22, 2012 at 5:39PM
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citywoman2012

Posted by mylab123 z5NW (My Page) on Tue, May 22, 12 at 16:53

For newcomers who are just reading:
Citywoman2012 publically stated:
"I'm always told I'm a racist."

mylab..there you go again.
Wonder if mylab is male or female.
If mylab is male then mylab is very disrepectful to women.
I have read very few post from mylab that weren't rude and very condescending.

How many times does this make mylab that I have had to call you out on the racist comment ?
You either can't comprehend or just don't want to give it up.

I think I have made myself perfectly clear on numerous posts that the ONLY time I have ever been called racist is on HT and usually by the same people.

Now if you and your few czars want to continue this line of harassment against me and it makes you feel like your in control.....then you go ahead but it just makes you look small.

You are a perfect example of what a person has to put up with if they don't fall in step.

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october17(5chgo)

All I can say is that, if my kid was in that woman's class I would immediately pull him out. Immediately.

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kwoods(Cold z7 Long Is)

I want my own Czars.

    Bookmark   May 23, 2012 at 9:33AM
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Circus Peanut

I'd even settle for a factotum or two, kwoods.

    Bookmark   May 23, 2012 at 9:49AM
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david52_gw

I want to be in a sleigh chased by wolves, and push out a Czar to distract 'em.

    Bookmark   May 23, 2012 at 10:32AM
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jillinnj

Jill...never for second do I take you are your comments serious. You and a few ....very few others construe everything I say into a negative . I guess thats your job.

No, not my job. But when I see a racist or a racist comment, I cannot just let it go by. As someone said, it's our responsibility to point it out to hopefully affect a change. And you have made several racist comments on this board. The only conclusion I can come to is you are a racist.

It's clear to me that you'll never change. That's really too bad.

If someone called me a racist (EVEN ONCE!), I would do some serious self evaluation. Being called that EVEN ONCE would be very upsetting to me and I would have to evaluate why they called me that. It doesn't appear you are capable of such self reflection. You just write it off to "a liberal called me that so it cannot be true" (even though at least 1 non-liberal also said your comments are racist). That's too bad for you since it means you have no hope of changing.

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adoptedbyhounds

From the audio, it's clear this teacher was not hired because of her professionalism or subject knowledge.

So why was she hired?

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kwoods(Cold z7 Long Is)

David, is there ever any other reason to have Czars?.... At least a factotum might be expected to do the dishes, not a Czar though.

Nik, there are LOTS of bad teachers hired for any variety of reasons.... what're ya gettin' at?

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maggie2094

It is obvious they were both paid surrogates for the Obama and Romney campaign. Good for the kid, better than the janitor job.

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patriciae_gw(07)

As for the teacher I cant watch the video so I cant judge if she is just confused about the importance of presidents in general or Obama in particular(from the transcript she did say Bush as well)

As to Blacks voting for Obama because he is black-how about this-Blacks vote Democratic as a general rule these days so in this case they were particularly happy to have a Black person to vote for instead of the usual white guy. It would not be racist because they didn't just vote for him because he was black. If they suddenly voted for a Republican black person then you could construe that the vote was race based.

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maggie2094

Whites have always voted white by default. How many vote for "not the black guy". We will have true equality when we have a black president as dumb as George W. Bush.

this story is about an idiot teacher and a disrespectful student. The teacher being the authority figure bears all lthe blame.

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Circus Peanut

From the audio, it's clear this teacher was not hired because of her professionalism or subject knowledge.
So why was she hired?

... because it's really, really hard to find qualified, much less competent, folks to fill a 70-hour workweek position @ $30,430/year?

    Bookmark   May 23, 2012 at 2:25PM
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Circus Peanut

PS: My factotum would earn at least twice that. Just sayin'.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

I'm holding out for a flock of minions - preferably taller than 5' (no use having more of me, iykwim) to take care of any too-high-to-reach, too-high-to-clean, too-tall-to-prune peskiness in my life. I'll have plenty of other stuff for them to do as well, and then we'll all take a walk to the beach - every day. I'll be a kind and empathetic master.

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esh_ga

But would you fix them meals, nancy?

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kwoods(Cold z7 Long Is)

Maybe ruling minions would be a better use of a Czar than distracting wolves from sleigh chasing. Then you could really kick up your feet.

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

But would you fix them meals

As long as they're willing to bring me the ingredients on the top shelves and help with the clean up, sure.

A minion or two will be dedicated to keeping the oven clean.

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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

As long as they're willing to bring me the ingredients on the top shelves and help with the clean up, sure.

That's why I have kids. Child labour.

Teenage boys come in handy for reaching things on top shelves.

    Bookmark   May 23, 2012 at 3:40PM
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mylab123(z5NW)

"How many times does this make mylab that I've had to call you out on the racist comment?"

Sorry. Won't work.

Anyone reading this thread and wanting to know why I think it's important that citywoman remains an active, vocal member of this forum can just type the works - Citywoman2012 - into the search feature (at top of page keep it in this forum to make it simpler and on point) and discover, from what she has had to say about a great deal of things (the "50 percent" little disagreement was interesting and revealing about her thought process) - and will also reveal where not once has she ever called me out about the racist comment. Not once.

........A comment, by the way, made within the thread where she first made her remarks which so inflamed the other members of this thread, I might add. A comment she made about reactions to her in her ACTUAL life (rather than on the internet) when saying her piece about Obama. Nobody here had ever called her a racist at that time.

It is what it is, she is who she is -

she is part of the landscape which makes up the American people - and reading her comments can be uncomfortable for many who don't think as Citywoman2012 thinks , but it's important for all to understand those percentage of conservative voters which Citywoman2012 represents, even if only somewhat or only partially.

They are part of those conservatives who are driven vote with great vigor and enthusiam regarding how they believe and feel about a great many subjects - including, obviously, the majority of American voters, those majority who voted overwhelmingly for Obama in the last election.

Of course, those who actually do think as she does or perhaps only partially do but yet sympathise with her will not feel uncomfortable reading what it is she has to say in this forum.

I strongly believe that it is a personal responsibility to object to any racist comments, shunning them as unamerican, unpatriotic and harmful to our nation. I feel this to be my duty as a human being and as an American, living in a country which still deals with racism, even if it's often cloaked in a different color cloth.

I'm sick to death of reading this person's repeated remarks and most certainly of continuously commenting on this person about this subject but for as long as she makes comments regarding what she has had to say and I end up reading those comments, I will feel it my obligation as an American to speak up and speak out and shun the remarks, sick to DEATH as I may be of doing so.

(I certainly may miss some and perhaps have already missed some as I don't read all threads at all times)

Please note: I do not and have not actually called anyone a racist. Even by their own words in this forum, I could not know if any person on this board is an actual racist. I do know, however, racist remarks when I read them and that I certainly will comment upon.

And yet, despite our very different takes on people, this world, our President, differing on thoughts regarding all the motives behind all of the politial players and the voting citizens of this country - I remain grateful that Citywoman2012 is a member of this forum and I don't doubt, not for a second, that she is completely and totally sincere in her beliefs and opinions - as I am in mine.

I also completely support, and would fight, for her right to vocalize her opinions and beliefs in this forum, just as I will with my response to her remarks - or anyone's remarks. As long as she (or I) didn't break any rules which inspired the administration to call either of us out or actually ban us from participation - we both have a right to speak our mind in Hot Topics, even if great disagreement may take place for doing so. We all know that others will comment negatively on what we have to say - we must pull on our big girl (boy) pants if we choose to participate.

As I think we tend to do.

I am sincerely grateful that Citywoman2012 is is a member of this forum. I hope that this time she will stay and if she does choose to leave, if she does come back again months or a year or so later - this time she will come back under this new current and now familiar name.

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maddie_athome

Mylab nailed it. Keep them front and center.

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citywoman2012

Here we are:
The three most verbally abusive unhappy people on HT have now ordained themselves as the HT police and judges.
It won't be too long until they will be the only three on HT.
Be sure you comprehend the difference between free speach,
a racist remark, an opinion not meant to incite, hate opinions, and just using the word black or white in a post before you go over the edge ( as you three usually do).
You get too heavy-handed and you could be kicked off.
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 11:30

No, not my job. But when I see a racist or a racist comment, I cannot just let it go by. As someone said, it's our responsibility to point it out to hopefully affect a change. And you have made several racist comments on this board. The only conclusion I can come to is you are a racist.
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Posted by mylab123 z5NW (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 15:47

I strongly believe that it is a personal responsibility to object to any racist comments, shunning them as unamerican, unpatriotic and harmful to our nation. I feel this to be my duty as a human being and as an American, living in a country which still deals with racism, even if it's often cloaked in a different color cloth.

I'm sick to death of reading this person's repeated remarks and most certainly of continuously commenting on this person about this subject but for as long as she makes comments regarding what she has had to say and I end up reading those comments, I will feel it my obligation as an American to speak up and speak out and shun the remarks, sick to DEATH as I may be of doing so.
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Posted by maddie_athome (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 15:59
Mylab nailed it. Keep them front and center.

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    Bookmark   May 23, 2012 at 4:41PM
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jillinnj

Wonderfully said, mylab! I agree with everything you said.

Put me in the camp of being 'uncomfortable' when I read some of CW's posts. And I am also 'uncomfortable' when a segment of the population here does not call her out on it (as evidenced in her trolling for support post that will show up in that search you suggested).

As you said, CW has the right to state her opinions. And I have the right to say I think they are racist remarks.

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adoptedbyhounds

"... because it's really, really hard to find qualified, much less competent, folks to fill a 70-hour workweek position @ $30,430/year?"

Got a link? Can you confirm her salary was $30,430 a year, that she worked 70 hours a week, and that there were no other applicants passed over in order to give the position to her?

I didn't think so.

The question remains: Why was she hired?

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lily316(z5PA)

You forgot me ,CW. I'm usually your biggest target. I 100% agree with Maddie, mylab, jill, and say ditto to their posts, because I'm on my way to the library and don't have the time to type it all. .

You are what you are, no matter what name you sign in as. Never fear, your fan Elvis will still be there for you.

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chase_gw

" and that there were no other applicants passed over in order to give the position to her?

Oh now I get it!........I didn't open the link but let me guess she's black!

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adoptedbyhounds

"I strongly believe that it is a personal responsibility to object to any racist comments, shunning them as unamerican, unpatriotic and harmful to our nation. I feel this to be my duty as a human being and as an American, living in a country which still deals with racism, even if it's often cloaked in a different color cloth."

Have you contacted Eric Holder about his refusal to prosecute blacks for intimidating white voters at the polls? Does his decision to permit unequal treatment of whites make you proud? Does his poor judgment and inability to see black racism not trouble you?

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maddie_athome

Just so we know which way the winds blow in North Carolina: It's called O'Keefing, folks.

And love-my-lilhome: I was gonna say you picked up where you left, but that doesn't hold true anymore. I do find it truly sad to watch you devolve even more.

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citywoman2012

maddie you have me rotf...honest...out loud.
I have never dealt with "adults" ( I think you are) as I found I have here on HT.

I find I am dealing with the mentality of someone not in my social circle nor in my community.

You and jill and maggie and lily can continue to call me racist..ignorant...stupid...ugly....moron...radical christian.....whatever you need to make you feel good about yourself....because that is the goal of persons that "putdown" others.

The origin of putdowns ia an insecurity in the other person.
Theu want to make themselves feel good by making others look bad.

This relies on others responding in a defensive way.
Putdowns rely on a reaction from others (me) to give you that feel good moment.

Putdowns say much about the person saying it than the person the comments are directed towards.

I will no longer ever respond to the few of you in any post again. Your names have gone on a pad over my desk.
You are sad and I will put your name on our prayer list .

    Bookmark   May 23, 2012 at 6:36PM
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maddie_athome

Point proven.

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david52_gw

"....Eric Holder about his refusal to prosecute blacks for intimidating white voters at the polls? "

You're forgetting they did look into that, and were unable to find any voters, white, brown, black, green, or blue, who were intimidated.

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mylab123(z5NW)

Citywoman, on one point I will agree with you. Fewer and fewer people are participating in this forum. Myself included, I had not even bothered to look in for many days. Sadly, it was your remarks I first came across and felt the obligation to respond - had I not read them I would have probably just backed out.

I do feel it's my obligation and to respond to certain of your comments, and deeply wish I did't feel that way, it would be so very much easier to mentally hit the ignore button - that isn't meant as an insult, it is how many here end up dealing with certain people, I'm sure you mentally hit it yourself.

Unfortunately, I can't do it all the time over everything. For that reason, I tend to stay away much more often now.

I miss many valuable posters, even those I strongly disagreed with.

Some I never failed to read when they gave their ideas on subjects we discussed - Kingturtle, Marshall, Jodi, just a few which have bowed out as far as I can tell. Many more - I wish they would return, even those I would disagree with - there were interesting conversations over the years I have been here.

I can remember when I first came in three plus years ago I really didn't think that global warming had much if anything to do with humans and their behavior on the planet.

Just by reading David, Inky's (thank goodness they are still here) KingTurtle, Marshall's thoughts and links which I did follow, (unusual for me, I tend to avoid links) I learned an amazing amount of information which totally turned my perception of human involvement in global warming and it's terrible effects we already feel.

They lured me over to the green side, I'm now a convert due to the links and the deep discussions I could not participate in but discussions and links I read so carefully.

That is one way this forum really affected my way of thinking and did change it. In other ways I slightly modified a lot of attitudes I had about some subjects and for some though I didn't change my position at all, I really learned a great deal on WHY others felt the way they did, which is the most important function I feel H.T. can provide.

I miss the woman (embarrassed I can't remember her name) who took positions she got beat up for certainly, but I found her positions to be interesting when kept level.

She had recipes for marijuana candy, she was very concerned about AIDS and had some odd (JMO) opinions on where the blame for the disease had to lay - Eberin or something like that, I feel badly I can't remember her name but I miss her contributions too and hope she is ok.

And Bill - I probably don't agree with a quarter of what he says but he is most sincere and obviously thinks things through, a good man, I suspect. I don't see him around much anymore. I really, really liked Igloochic and was so very sorry to see her leave but it was not unexpected.

Too many to name have passed through, and I'm most terrible with names - but the regulars who have always been here until recently I miss the most, of course - Silver, are you still there? Wish you well and hope things are at least a tiny bit better for you and your daughter.

I wonder if H.T. is reaching the end of it's natural life cycle (as all things do) or if it became so uncomfortable in the last couple of months especially recent weeks that most who have been here at least three years and were active -like me - lost interest in participation as much as we used to.

I'm grateful for the old heads who remain - even you Heri who I tend to get into it with you about certain things but overall I think you are incredibly intelligent with a fine and correct laser focus on many issue - I accept that you don't return the respect but please know I do respect your opinions on many, if not actually most issues, I think most of us do. Some personalities simply don't mix - they are like oil and water, its o.k. with me, that is life.

I hope the old heads like Heri and David and Kwoods and maddie and Nancy etc. Chase who is vacationing in France!! - all the rest of you, you all know who you are, will stay so that when this current storm of oddness has passed, there will remain a good forum with inquiring minds available for the interesting exchanges of ideas which takes place so often, or used to on a more frequent basis.

I'm certainly not leaving, but I probably won't be participating as much as I used to. I don't like how I behave in this forum, I dislike it far, far more than I dislike what I see as bad behavior of others in this forum.

Jodi, if you happen to be reading this and you feel like it and your husband knows how to get my email (gasp!) without my permission (gasp! gasp!) - you have my permission for him to get it hahahaha and use it to contact me if you choose? Nothing important.

But I wouldn't want to post up my email now anymore than I have wanted to in the past.

Joe, I will be in and out, I also wish I could keep up with how your EDD is doing, and you too, I feel it's just as hard on a different way for the caretaker. Be well - I will certainly be here, just not so often and not so vocal.

I'm not leaving not as I perceive at the moment, and will probably respond a few times a week, but like so many, I feel the need to slow down for awhile and let the odd turn settle out, which I sincerely hope it will.

"Conversations" side of the forum could pick up, though - please! Please! Despite Tobr's repeated pronouncements of it's imminent dismise, it still manages to limp along in true drops of shining splendor. It would be nice to see faces which are dropping out on the other side for fun conversation if anyone is interested? Jodi? Kingturtle? Believe it or not, Demi when we aren't discussing politics *LOL* - The rest of you? That forum could serve a nice purpose for the time being.

:)

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wildchild(z9CA)

Interesting. Citywoman who apparently has an excellent relationship with her black sister in law is a racist.

However those that have no relationships with black people in there lives and believe they must jump to the defense of black people (how demeaning is that) on their behalf when ever they perceive even a hint of they "believe" is racism are not racist. Un-huh.

Kill the messenger mindset is alive and well on this forum.

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esh_ga

must jump to the defense of black people (how demeaning is that)

It is demeaning to defend someone or a group of people? Since when?

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wildchild(z9CA)

It is demeaning to defend someone or a group of people? Since when?

It's one of those if you have to ask you wouldn't understand things. Ask your black friends. They will explain it better to you than I could.

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Circus Peanut

"those that have no relationships with black people in there [sic] lives"

And who exactly are these people? You know these facts about the lives of strangers on an internet forum? Amazing. Move over, Kreskin.

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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

And Bill - I probably don't agree with a quarter of what he says

Mylab-- just for you. :-)

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jodik_gw

I'm around, Mylab... it's just a very busy season for me, so I don't have time to read or post as often... and with an election cycle looming just over the next horizon, I find some of the repeated subject matter and the overdone divisiveness to be a bit much. After a while, it all looks like one giant planned cyclone of "us versus them" regarding every issue under the sun. Seriously, how many times must we rehash the same things? We can damn near predict the responses. And then there's the continual pursuit, which seems to have slowed to a crawl for the time being, the ignore button seems to be working fine. ;-)

I would hazard a guess and say that some people get tired of the constant quibbling, the necessary correcting and debunking of fantasy and fairy tale, the lack of links or news articles and facts to go along with an intended discussion, which seems to happen more and more often... the clashing of logic and incoherence are like fingernails on a chalkboard... it becomes tiresome and somewhat irritating. And then of course, lives do change... and people move on.

Forums and message boards the internet over are a continually changing landscape of typists, but the games and personality types remain fairly constant within typical parameters. It's the nature of the beast, so to speak.

Some days, it feels like banging your head against a brick wall, and other days it's not that far off from a pleasant experience... it must depend on the moon phase, I've come to think! ;-)

My only hope in all this, politically speaking, is that people will wake up before it's too late, and see how our planet is being systematically stripped of everything good and right. We need to really contemplate the idea of being the change we want to see.

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jillinnj

However those that have no relationships with black people in there [sic] lives...

And how do you know that? Really?

    Bookmark   May 24, 2012 at 1:15PM
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