Death match?

alynne68June 17, 2014

So today I come home and find these 2 on a pepper leaf fallen into the pot. I know one is a ladybug larvae and the other looks like a potato bug but I've never seen one here before. Each barely moves when I poke with a stick and the larvae seems to be stuck to the leaf by it's rear end.

Was there a battle? Any thoughts? I'm really curious.

Alison

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esox07

Those are Godzilla's next two opponents. Due out later this summer.
Bruce

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 8:11PM
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alynne68

Oh No! Poor larva is about to get eaten. What is that other thing?!

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 8:18PM
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stoneys_fatali(9b Duarte,Ca.)

At this point, it doesn't matter. It's dead.

Stoney

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 8:43PM
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alynne68

Now I'm not sure who is eating whom...

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 8:47PM
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jutsFL(9b (Orlando))

This is way more fun than it should be :D

...my money's on the lady bug larvae!

Jay

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 8:49PM
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stoneys_fatali(9b Duarte,Ca.)

If I wasn't at work right now, I'd be cracking open a beer :p

Stoney

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 8:55PM
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alynne68

I'm checking every 30 min or so. I'm routing for the larvae but the other monster has an exoskeleton and those wolverine things. Again, what is it?

Stoney, I'll have a beer for you.

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 9:05PM
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esox07

OK, we should be in round 4 right now, how about an update? Has anyone gotten an 8 count yet?
Bruce

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 9:09PM
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alynne68

Not sure what it says about me, but this is the most interesting good thing I've been dealing with for 3 weeks. They are still nose to tail. no one eating the other. Any chance they are different stages of the same bug? Mating?

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 9:10PM
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pepperdave

Lady bug larva. GOOD THING people buy them for aphid control.

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 9:31PM
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stoneys_fatali(9b Duarte,Ca.)

"Stoney, I'll have a beer for you."

LOL! 3 more hours to go so I can crack one and go out and check my plants for mayhem!

Stoney

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 9:39PM
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alynne68

Pepperdave,

I know, I have been babying them for 2 years. That is why I want to know what the other thing is. I've never had something attack them before.

Stoney, I'm sorry, I'm drinking Irish Whiskey. will what work?

Al

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 9:49PM
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stoneys_fatali(9b Duarte,Ca.)

"Stoney, I'm sorry, I'm drinking Irish Whiskey."

I hate you :-)

Stoney

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 10:49PM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

Sheesh!

Two different life stages of lady beetles. A larva and a pupa.

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 11:17PM
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smokemaster_2007

they are 2 stages of ladybug.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fmfzHLiGh4

Here is a link that might be useful: life cycle video

    Bookmark   June 17, 2014 at 11:26PM
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esox07

Oh, crap, I thought we were going to witness some natural carnage. Now we find it is probably just bug sex.
Bruce

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 12:39AM
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kuvaszlvr

Interesting, but I think Jean already said so much, to me it looks like a ladybug larva and a ladybug pupa.
Pam

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 8:26AM
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woohooman

Not sure if one will eat the other. As opposed to lacewing larvae.. which ARE canabilistic.

Kevin

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 12:44PM
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alynne68

Smokemaster - thank you for the video. I have never seen the pupa stage before. The larva did not survive. Was all shriveled up tonight when I got home. I tucked the pupa back in the plant in a shady spot. A little anticlimactic, but I learned and was entertained.

Is the pupa dormant or did it suck the guts out of the larva?

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 6:21PM
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jean001a(Portland OR 7b)

The pupa doesn't eat nor does it attack.
It is the intermediate stage between a larva and the adult.
If the pupa wasn't damaged, it will split down the back and an adult lady beetle will step out.

See this
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/NE/convergent_lady_beetle.html

Here is a link that might be useful: lady beetle life cycle in photos

    Bookmark   June 18, 2014 at 8:42PM
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kuvaszlvr

the pupa looks kinda translucent, are you sure it hasn't left? When I find them I will brush them lightly to see if they are empty. I wonder what killed the larvae, poor baby.
Pam

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 9:21AM
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woohooman

I don't think(correct me if I'm wrong jean001) the larva died. I think it's just ready to move onto pupal stage.

Kevin

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 10:34AM
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alynne68

Well, these are the combatants Thurs. evening. The larva is totally desiccated. If that is it changing into a pupa I will be amazed. I don't think the pupa has "hatched" yet. No splits on the back and seems solid.

If you look at the first 3 pics, the larva moved to the pupa. I didn't touch them. Just watched. Curious...

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 7:56PM
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DMForcier(8 DFW)

The big question is: Are ladybugs, at any stage, cannibalistic !?

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 12:28PM
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alynne68

DM,
from what I've read they are very cannibalistic. Will eat anything available. The pupa hasn't changed. I pull it out of the pot to water and then put it back. We will see.

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 4:09PM
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melikeeatplants

The full cycle

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 8:01PM
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