apple cuttings.

ahimbisdavisJuly 4, 2013

i want to grow apples from cuttings using rooting hormone, will they be as good as the parent plants or i need to graft them again.

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brandon7 TN_zone(7)

If they are patented, it's illegal to propagate them and you should choose another cultivar to work with. If you grow non-patented cultivars this way, your apples will be the same as apples grown on rootstock, but your trees will not benefit from the many advantages rootstock might provide.

Rootstock can influence:

1. ultimate size of your tree
2. growth rate
3. amount and complexity of maintenance
4. ease of harvest
5. productivity
6. preciosity
7. senescence
8. hardiness
9. adaptation to different soils and soil conditions

  1. drought tolerance
  2. how well the tree will be anchored
  3. whether the tree will need permanent or temporary support (not just how well it's anchored)
  4. fruit size
  5. resistance to certain diseases
  6. resistance to certain pests
  7. rootstock and scion graft compatibility
  8. tendency to sucker
  9. and I'm sure I'm leaving off at least something.
    Bookmark   July 4, 2013 at 11:48AM
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galasoneth(8b)

Do you have a Tree you want to clone?

    Bookmark   July 16, 2013 at 3:11PM
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CPTK

It's ridiculous that you can patent a tree. You might as well patent the moon and the stars.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2013 at 3:38PM
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galasoneth(8b)

I own the patent on the moon and a couple stars. Email me if you like I am currently cloning apple trees

This post was edited by Galasoneth on Tue, Jul 16, 13 at 17:08

    Bookmark   July 16, 2013 at 5:05PM
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brandon7 TN_zone(7)

"It's ridiculous that you can patent a tree."

Well, you might be right, but the people that have invested years of their life in working to produce such trees don't think so. Many of them wouldn't have done it if they couldn't be ensured that their work would pay off. Also, the people that enjoy the fruit (literally and figuratively) from their work may not think so, because without the invention of the new tree, they wouldn't get to enjoy that particular type of fruit or tree at all. Also, the farmers that grow the trees don't think so, because they know that, without the patent, they wouldn't have the patented cultivar in the first place. Even the potential hobbyist, who just wants to propagate trees, shouldn't fret with the many hundreds of other cultivars out there for them to work with. They could probably never reasonably run out of potential cultivars to work with even if they never illegally propagated a thing. Come to think of it, maybe this patent thing isn't so bad after all!

Actually, I do kind of understand your feelings, but I don't think you are looking at the whole picture from a rational standpoint. Or, maybe you are and we don't need these new types of trees after all. There is another side to the story though, that you may have completely missed.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2013 at 9:39PM
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CPTK

Nope, I didn't miss anything. I just don't think you should be able to patent trees.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2013 at 11:16PM
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ange2006

I know someone who found a tree in the mountains, patented it and sold the patent rights to a nursery. I don't feel bad cloning this particular one. Besides, doesn't a patent expire after 18 or 20 years?

    Bookmark   August 19, 2013 at 8:44PM
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brandon7 TN_zone(7)

"I know someone who found a tree in the mountains, patented it..."

If you are saying that they found the plant growing in the wild, then the patent is not valid and the patent holder likely gave false information on the patent application. IF what you say is correct AND you are sure that you can back it up, you probably should have little fear of ignoring that patent.

    Bookmark   August 19, 2013 at 9:02PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

People who find a superior tree in the forest are usually content to be able to name it. This is not creating anything, only bringing it to our attention. If you spend your life making hundreds of crosses between plants to create a new plant, you should be paid for your efforts, via a plant patent. Al

    Bookmark   August 25, 2013 at 9:50AM
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