rareseedsource.com (dan pierce)

neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)May 11, 2010

Has anyone purchased from Dan Pierce rare seed website RARESEEDSOURCE.COM ? Their email address dp@futuresystems.com is bouncing, but Paypal lists them as a VERIFIED seller. The guy also does not return messages left on his voice mail and his other email addresses bounce as well. I wonder if anyone in the rare seed industry knows this guy? The address is in California accordingly to the public domain:

Dan Pierce Email dan@futuresystems.com

Telephone: 760-941-9761

FutureSystems

1700 Bittersweet Hill

Vista, CA,United States 92084

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marlingardener

I haven't purchased from this company, but I did check them out on GardenWatchdog. There are five positives and one negative review, with the negative being the most recent, dated Sept. 2009. The negative review was based on your experience--no response to inquiries. The poster had ordered seeds and hadn't received them after a reasonable time.

    Bookmark   May 12, 2010 at 5:49PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

Check the link out. It's shows RARESEEDSOURCE.COM advertising on Google AdWords, over 7 days after I paid them (no response, no shipping)

Here is a link that might be useful:

    Bookmark   May 13, 2010 at 12:14AM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

You were right about the negative feedback Dan Pierce has got on the "Garden Watchdog". The 5 positives could be fake, or he could be somehow associated with that website or he could have turned fraudulent after the year 2008 or he could have even been deceased recently.

Here is a link that might be useful:

    Bookmark   May 15, 2010 at 3:07PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

Take a look at this!

1. Go to: http://whois.domaintools.com
2. Search for FUTURESYSTEMS.COM (Dan Pierce's email is dp@futuresystems.com also dan@futuresystems.com)
3. The whois is probably hacked and shows no contact info, only the IP address in... China!
4. Go to: http://whois.domaintools.com/210.75.241.82
5. Here's the whois result:

IP Location: China China Beijing China Science & Technology Network
IP Address: 210.75.241.82 [Whois] [Reverse-Ip] [Ping] [DNS Lookup] [Traceroute]
inetnum: 210.75.224.0 - 210.75.255.255
netname: CSTNET
descr: China Science & Technology Network
descr: No.4,4th South Street, Zhong Guan Cun, Haidian District,
descr: P.O.Box 349,Beijing 100080
country: CN
admin-c: LH90-AP
tech-c: LH90-AP
status: ALLOCATED PORTABLE
remarks: Send abuse reports to
changed: 20080625
mnt-by: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
mnt-lower: MAINT-CNNIC-AP
mnt-routes: MAINT-CN-CSTNET
source: APNIC

route: 210.75.224.0/19
descr: Route origin from CSTNET
country: CN
origin: AS7497
remarks: Please contact if you have any
remarks: questions regarding this object.
remarks: Antispam mail please send to .
notify:
mnt-by: MAINT-CN-CSTNET
changed: 20090511
source: APNIC

person: Li Hong
nic-hdl: LH90-AP
e-mail:
address: No.4, Zhongguancun 4th South Street, Haidian District, Beijing
phone: +86-10-58812000
fax-no: +86-10-58812900
country: CN
changed: 20041109
mnt-by: MAINT-CN-LIHONG
source: APNIC

=================================================

6. Here's the whois result for RARESEEDSOURCE.COM:

http://whois.domaintools.com/rareseedsource.com

Reverse Whois:
"Dan Pierce" owns about71 other domains
Email Search:
is associated with about 41 domains
Registrar History:
1 registrar with 2 drops.
NS History:
1 change on 2 unique name servers over 7 years.
IP History:
4 changes on 3 unique name servers over 6 years.
Whois History:
25 records have been archived since 2004-07-01 .
Reverse IP:
879 other sites hosted on this server.
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Registrant:
Dan Pierce 7609419761
FutureSystems
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista,CA,United States 92084

Domain Name:rareseedsource.com
Record last updated at 2008-05-31 22:24:45
Record created on 2003/6/4
Record expired on 2010/6/4

Domain servers in listed order:
ns.clickbutt.com ns2.24-7nameservers.com

Administrator:
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista
CA,
United States
92084

name:(Dan Pierce)
mail:() 7609419761
FutureSystems
Technical Contactor:
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista
CA,
United States
92084

name:(Dan Pierce)
mail:() 7609419761
FutureSystems
Billing Contactor:
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista
CA,
United States
92084

name:(Dan Pierce)
mail:() 7609419761
FutureSystems

Registration Service Provider:
name: FutureSystems
tel: 7609419761
fax: 7609419774
web:http://www.servergrotto.com

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7. RARESEEDSOURCE.COM is hosted at SERVERGROTTO.COM

Result: DOMAIN NOT FOUND!

http://whois.domaintools.com/servergrotto.com

8. NS record for RARESEEDSOURCE.COM is CLICKBUTT.COM

http://whois.domaintools.com/clickbutt.com

Reverse Whois:
"FutureSystems -" owns about60 other domains
Email Search:
is associated with about 17 domains
is associated with about 41 domains
Registrar History:
2 registrars
NS History:
1 change on 2 unique name servers over 8 years.
IP History:
5 changes on 5 unique name servers over 6 years.
Whois History:
17 records have been archived since 2001-01-01 .
Reverse IP:
250 other sites hosted on this server.
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Registrant:
FutureSystems - -
FutureSystems
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista, CA 92084-7621,-,- -

Domain Name:clickbutt.com
Record last updated at 2009-11-23 16:56:14
Record created on 1997/1/2
Record expired on 2011/1/2

Domain servers in listed order:
ns.clickbutt.com ns2.24-7nameservers.com

Administrator:
Name-- Pierce, Daniel
EMail-: ()
tel --: 760 941-9761
org: Pierce, Daniel

FutureSystems,-,- -

Technical Contactor:
Name-- FutureSystems
EMail-: ()
tel --: 760 941-9761
org: FutureSystems

1700 Bittersweet Hill,-,- -

Billing Contactor:
Name-- -
EMail-: (-)
tel --: -
org: -
-
-,-,- -

Registration Service Provider:
name: FutureSystems
tel: 7609419761
fax: 7609419774
web:http://www.servergrotto.com

=====================================================

As you can see some of the WHOIS info is intentionally missing. Servergrotto.com is no longer available online. Clickbutt.com displays fatal PHP error.

CONCLUSION: RARESEEDSOURCE.COM was "established" from the very beginning as a SCAM, FRAUD website probably based in China, with "co-operation" of "Dan Pierce" (if that's not a fake person) and (now) they are trying to hide their buttocks.

And!!! what's most interesting is that PAYPAL allowed them to scam people for all these years since 2004!

    Bookmark   May 26, 2010 at 12:27PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

P.S.: It appears that www.domaintools.com is an unreliable source for whois info. Here's another one:

http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/rareseedsource.com

rareseedsource.com IP:
174.132.195.226
rareseedsource.com server location:
Houston in United States
rareseedsource.com ISP:
THEPLANET.COM INTERNET SERVICES

    Bookmark   May 26, 2010 at 1:05PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

More info:

ICANN Registrar:
ONLINENIC, INC.
Created:
2003-06-04
Expires:
2010-06-04
Updated:
2008-05-31
Registrar Status:
clientDeleteProhibited
clientTransferProhibited
Name Server:
156.EMAILJIAJIA.COM (has 3,391 domains)
NS.CLICKBUTT.COM (has 36 domains)
Whois Server:
whois.onlinenic.com
General TLDs:
RareSeedSource.com (registered and active website)

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EMAILJIAJIA.COM

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Reverse Whois:
"ÖйúƵµÀ"
Email Search:
is associated with about 2 domains
Registrar History:
1 registrar with 1 drop.
NS History:
6 changes on 2 unique name servers over 3 years.
IP History:
6 changes on 4 unique name servers over 4 years.
Whois History:
54 records have been archived since 2007-03-18 .
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[210.75.241.82]
The Data in OnlineNIC's WHOIS database is provided by OnlineNIC
for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining
information about or related to a domain name registration record.
OnlineNIC does not guarantee its accuracy. By starting a WHOIS
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Registrant:
ÖйúƵµÀ +86.8747126503
CN
CN
CN,CN,CN 655400

Domain Name:emailjiajia.com
Record last updated at 2010-05-18 04:27:33
Record created on 2006/7/6
Record expired on 2011/7/6

Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.dns-diy.com ns2.dns-diy.com

Administrator:
CN
CN
CN,
CN
655400

name:(CN)
mail:() +86.8747126503
CN
Technical Contactor:
CN
CN
CN,
CN
655400

name:(CN)
mail:() +86.8747126503
CN
Billing Contactor:
CN
CN
CN,
CN
655400

name:(CN)
mail:() +86.8747126503
CN

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Again, fake or missing whois contact info as per above.

Further investigation reveals also:

http://whois.domaintools.com/webserversystems.com

IP" 74.53.50.45 (The Planet Hosting, Dallas, Texas)

    Bookmark   May 26, 2010 at 1:24PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

One more note, if you don't mind:

Dan Pierce dp@futuresystems.com is a VERIFIED Paypal user (still up to this day), yet this and all other email addresses associated with his Paypal account are hard bouncing. That makes me question professionalism, reliability and honesty of Paypal service. At least Paypal could constantly check for bouncing email addresses of their VERIFIED (!) users, since their payment system is EMAIL BASED!

Web Accept Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #52895881WR363182F)

This transaction has been reversed.
For further details please see transaction 2DF12554NN1476733
Original Transaction
Date Type Status Details Amount
May 5, 2010 Payment To Dan Pierce Reversed ... -$9.44 USD

Related Transaction
Date Type Status Details Amount
May 26, 2010 Reversal Completed Details $9.44 USD
Total: $0.00 USD

Name:
Dan Pierce (The recipient of this payment is Verified)
Email:
dp@futuresystems.com

Total Amount:
-$9.44 USD
Fee amount:
$0.00 USD
Net amount:
-$9.44 USD

Item amount:
$9.44 USD
Shipping:
$0.00 USD
Handling:
$0.00 USD
Quantity:
1

Item Title:
1 COLD HARDY Hybrid California Fan Palm Washingtonia FILIBUSTA
Date:
May 5, 2010
Time:
21:38:04 EDT
Status:
Reversed

    Bookmark   May 26, 2010 at 3:11PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

I just came up with a little bit more info on this case. As a test I decided to "send" $1 to Dan Pierce's Paypal account and here's the result:

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Review your payment and send

Please check the following information before continuing. View PayPal policies and your payment source rights.
Description Amount
Payment To $1.00 USD

dp@futuresystems.com

Verified Premier Member (4430)

========================================================

Hard facts:

1. Verified Premier Member (4430!!)
2. All emails are bouncing.
3. (Yet his website) Has been seen advertising on Google Adwords over a week ago.
4. Accepts all payments.
5. Does not ship any goods.
6. Does not respond any messages, neither email, nor phone or voice mail.
7. Does not respond to Paypal representative's messages.
8. As of today (26th of May 2010) Paypal is not closing this Paypal account, allowing them to collect more money from unsuspecting customers.

Conclusion: DECEASED or FRAUD.

    Bookmark   May 26, 2010 at 3:22PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

Again, as a test I signed up with RARESEEDSOURCE.COM's Newsletter and here's the result:

================= BEGIN =================================

Almost welcome to our mailinglist(s) ...

Someone, hopefully you, has subscribed your email address to the following mailinglists:

* rareseedsource

If this is correct, please click this URL to confirm your subscription:

http://rareseedsource.com/list/?p=confirm&uid=bbe32be464a6a2c9c21234e22de7d0bb

If this is not correct, you do not need to do anything, simply delete this message.

Thank you

Confirmation message:

Thank you for confirming your subscription to our lists. The lists you are subscribed to are listed below

* rareseedsource
Newsletter for new seed arrivals, news, tips, special offers, etc.

Welcome message:

Welcome to our Mailinglists

Please keep this email for later reference.

Your email address has been added to the following mailinglists:

*rareseedsource

To unsubscribe please go to http://rareseedsource.com/list/?p=unsubscribe&uid=bbe32be464a6a2c9c21234e22de7d0bb and follow the steps.
To update your details and preferences please go to http://rareseedsource.com/list/?p=preferences&uid=bbe32be464a6a2c9c21234e22de7d0bb.

Thank you

=================== END =================================

I will keep you in touch (if you don't mind, - if you do mind, do let me know) on further developments on this case.
This is the matter of principle and not the (small amount of) money.

    Bookmark   May 26, 2010 at 3:30PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

Although www.rareseedsource.com website has been shut down (upon my complaint and probably complaints of other people) by the hosting company, but PAYPAL is still accepting payments for dp@futuresystems.com (Dan Pierce) who (surprise!) respectfully still is Paypal's Verified Premier Member (4430). Perhaps Dan Pierce never existed, or perhaps he deceased, yet Paypal has the nerve to keep his account open in order to cash in with accidental payments. Try sending $1 to dp@futuresystems.com and see how it goes.

P.S. The website was hosted in China.

    Bookmark   June 13, 2010 at 1:29PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

UPDATE: Today (30 SEPTEMBER 2010) I tried to "send" $1 to:
dan@futuresystems.com (Verified Premier Member (4430)) and Paypal allows to do that. Just to compare matters, I tried to "send" $1 to a person, who scammed me for $85 on Paypal some years ago and never paid me back. Paypal says "This user is unable to receive money at this time". So Paypal is able to block certain people from receiving money, but RARESEEDSOURCE.COM (the domain still exists, is active and is not shut down) is probably too profitable (in scammed money floating in) in order for Paypal to shut it down. Interesting how such large companies and corporations would undermine their own reputation in order to collect a big amount of dishonest bucks.

    Bookmark   September 30, 2010 at 3:53PM
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debi

WOW, you sure did lots of work ...

    Bookmark   November 28, 2010 at 4:36PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I've never used Pay Pal for anything. I guess I tend to stick with very legitimate and mainstream internet sources. I've never even bought anything at EBay...lol.

    Bookmark   December 21, 2010 at 3:02AM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

What I did in this thread was (and still am doing) is trying to prevent further scams and fraud to potential buyers by the above company or individual, which is RARESEEDSOURCE.COM (Dan Pierce) or whoever they are, since they are clearly a fraudulent entity supported by Paypal. This thread is in no way regarding or against Paypal, but in the first place this is about the SEED sales fraud.

UPDATE: Today (21st of January 2011) I again tried to "send" $1 to: dan@futuresystems.com (Verified Premier Member (4430)) and Paypal allows to do that. You can also request-money from them if send-money does not show their status. I reported this fraudulent account to Paypal (and Ebay) at least twice in the past, yet they apparently did nothing to prevent this criminal entity from being able to keep collecting money.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2011 at 9:54AM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

UPDATE: Today (1st of April 2012) I again tried to "send" $1 to: dan@futuresystems.com and Paypal still allows to do that.

    Bookmark   April 1, 2012 at 5:14PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

What is this? I just received email from management with no text and no direct link to the post. That is very unprofessional indeed:

[This is a follow-up to your posting on
GardenWeb's Rate & Review Vendors Forum, located at:
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/ratevend/ ]
_______________________________

(PLEASE NOTE: The member responding to your post has chosen not to reveal his or her email address. Therefore, you cannot reply to this message via email.)

UPDATE: Today (1st of April 2012) I again tried to 'send' $1 to: dan@futuresystems.com and Paypal still allows to do that.

neonrider
_______________________________

    Bookmark   April 1, 2012 at 8:33PM
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Cubawashere(6A)

wow.... I am very surprised to hear this or find this info out... only because of recently wanting to buy more seeds and didn't know if the seeds I had were still viable. Well, I purchased these seeds in 9/07 and still had left over but no name of vendor on them... so I started digging. I am impeccable with my receipts, and was able to track down old invoice..... WHICH low and behold was DAN PIERCE.... In my experience (back then) I DID (obviously) recieve my seeds, and planted and grew some.(so they weren't "duds") and even recieved EXTRA gifted seeds... uploaded pic... and the original invoice from paypal... I am very shocked and this newly discovered info. Very well may be a fraud now in place because I cannot find the "oringinal" website I bought the seeds from, for it was NOT "rareseeds.com" at the time....

Transaction Details

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Web Accept Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #2E8697025B239683M)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name:
Dan Pierce (The recipient of this payment is Verified)
Email:
dp@futuresystems.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Total amount:
-$18.31 USD
Fee amount:
$0.00 USD
Net amount:
-$18.31 USD

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Item amount:
$18.31 USD
Sales Tax:
$0.00 USD
Shipping:
$0.00 USD
Handling:
$0.00 USD
Quantity:
1

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Item Title:
1 Beaucarnea (Nolina) recurvata PONYTAIL PALM, 1 GIANT Yucca faxoniana SPANISH DAGGER, 1 PARROT PITCHER PLANT Sarracenia psitta
Date:
Sep 29, 2007
Time:
21:54:19 PDT
Status:
Completed

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Funding Type:
PayPal Funds
Funding Source:
$18.31 USD - PayPal Account

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Shipment Information

Shipping Status:
Shipped
Reference Number:
U.S. Postal Service Learn More

Service Type:
First-Class Mail� Parcel (2-5 days)
Package Size:
Package/Thick Envelope
Mailing Date:
Oct 1, 2007
Signature Confirmation:
No
Display Postage Value on Label:
No
Shipping Insurance:
No

Ship From:

Dan Pierce
1700 Bittersweet Hill
Vista, CA 92084
United States

Ship To:

    Bookmark   July 31, 2012 at 8:10PM
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Cubawashere(6A)

pic of my beautiful baby... Ponytail palm (Beaucarnea recurvata) from the seeds that came from "Dan Pierce".

    Bookmark   July 31, 2012 at 8:22PM
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neonrider(USDA 8A ^ Sunset 31 ^ Mid-SC)

Perhaps back in 2007 they were still operating honestly. Today (30th of June 2013) I again tried to "send" $1 to: dan@futuresystems.com and dp@futuresystems.com and Paypal still allows to do that yet RareSeedSource.com (I sometimes confuse it with RarePalmSeeds.com) is unavailable.
So what happened to Dan Pierce?

Futuresystems.com seems to be registered in Korea.

    Bookmark   June 30, 2013 at 3:02PM
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