Thank You Nandina for your insight. I have already tried all of the methods usually suggested on the GW as well as those suggested by textbooks. To date none has even begun to show success. At this time I am trying air layering on both new and one year wood. September 15-20 will show either failure or success. One commercial propagator tells me that from fifty cuttings, he got two rootings using 50/50 peat moss/ perlite. Pretty dismal!!!