Yes, he is gaining in approval within a short period time after his presidency because Obama is using many of his policies according to some. Makes sense to me and surely to you...
Yes, Bush's approval rating is 49% and Obama's is 45%. It's not only that Obama is continuing his policies, he's ramped some up, like the drone program and the NSA. Also, Bush has been very respectful of Obama, never critical of him. Too bad the same can't be said of Obama.
As the memos Bush received in 2001 become declassified and we find out more about Bush negligence leading up to 9/11, even Republicans will be forced to conclude that Bush was the worst President in the history of the United States.
Other than allowing the largest attack on U.S. soil in our countries history through his negligence, heating up the housing market by, among other things, calling for no interest government backed loans to minorities, failing to anticipate and respond to Katrina, and conducting a campaign of lies to invade Iraq, largely for personal reasons, what makes you think Bush is held in high regard by any sensible person?
What did he accomplish a President? Tanking the economy and bailing out Wall Street, the big banks, GM and Chrysler?
Passing the 2008 Bush Stimulus package, essentially printing money for distribution?
As far as President Obama, like Jackie Robinson who broke the color barrier in baseball, some will only appreciate his accomplishments years from now, when their animus and short sighted political opinions yield to a more rational perspective on a great man.
I am glad to discuss Bush though so keep introducing him into the conversation. It really does place some perspective on how far we have come since he left our economy in tatters.
Out of sight, out of mind. The United States of Amnesia.
I think history will show (long after we are gone) that Bush was one of the worst, if not the worst president in US history.
And among the most autocratic!
"I'm the decider." "I don't do nuance."
And the chief foot in mouth: said of Putin when he visited: "I looked deep into his eyes and could read his soul...."
Obama is continuing his policies, he's ramped some up, like the drone program and the NSA.
The drone program has helped to keep our nation safe from violent Al Qaida extremists who plot against us under cover in foreign countries where we cannot place troops. The Patriot Act and the inception of the Department of Homeland Security came about because of Bush's failures leading up to 911.
So yes, some things that were set in place by Bush or as a result of Bush have been continued as necessary. Same goes for Gitmo.
President Obama also took over an economy that was shedding millions of jobs and wavering on financial meltdown.
President Obama has done a great job dealing with a tanking economy, the BP oil spill, Ghadafis's threatened massacre in Benghazi, thwarting unknown but no doubt numerous terrorist threats, and focusing on finally getting Bin Laden, something Bush promised to do but failed at.
Images for history:
This post was edited by heri_cles on Thu, Jun 13, 13 at 9:28
It is not uncommon for the "popularity" of past Presidents to rise once they are out of office. I believe even still this is one of the lowest ratings for a non sitting President.
it is also a long standing policy for past presidents not to comment on sitting Presidents...guess they have some empathy!
As far as President Obama being critical of President Bush. I don't necessarily listen to or read the same news sources as others but I don't believe I have ever once heard the President be critical of President Bush...not once.
He has , particularly in the first years of his Presidency, spoken truthfully of having inherited a huge deficit, financial crisis and two wars from the previous government but the previous government was much more than Bush.....
Never have I ever hear him talk poorly or critically of President Bush....as a matter of fact quite the contrary.
Here is a link that might be useful: President Obama praises former President Bush
A picture is worth a thousand words. Great images, heri. I do not recall any personal criticism of former President Bush coming from President Obama, either. He has criticized Republican policies, past and present, but that is different.
To put this in perspective:
Americans normally soften their attitudes to presidents after they leave office. That said, Bush's approval rating of 49% is below the numbers of retired predecessors.
"Gallup's favorable ratings for Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton all exceeded 60% when last measured," the poll said."
Here is a link that might be useful: link
It's like pregnancy. After a few years, things get fuzzy and you don't remember the pain and torture it caused you.
How soon we forget...
Even more so when they stay out of sight as GWB has done. Now the only pics that are shown of him are with his elderly father etc. We already discussed this on another thread and all the explanations were given.
He will still go down in history as one of the worst Presidents in history and we are still dealing with his legacy all these years later and will continue to. Spin it all you want but you can';t change reality.
Having a favorable rating isn't stopping the protest planned for the appearance of George W. Bush at an event in Riverside County. Announced on the radio this morning that the protest is against the policies of the Bush-Cheney Administration. Time and meeting place were given.
Some haven't forgotten.
Protests Planned at George W. Bush's Appearance in Riverside County Various organizations, including Occupy groups, announced Tuesday they will protest former President George W. Bush's role in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan when he speaks at a local government gathering in Cabazon on Thursday.
Bush is scheduled to give the keynote speech at the Western Riverside Council of Governments' annual General Assembly at Morongo Casino, officials confirm to Patch.
The organizations planning to protest Bush's appearance include Coachella Valley and Riverside Occupy groups, Veterans for Peace and the Los Angeles chapter of ANSWER -- Act Now to Stop War and End Racism.
The Western Riverside Council of Governments includes Riverside County, 17 cities and two water districts, including the city of Murrieta. The General Assembly receives corporate funding -- no public money will be used to pay to bring Bush to the gathering, according to the Press-Enterprise.
According to Janis Leonard with WRCOG, tickets for the leadership address by Bush are sold out. The speech is closed to the public and the media alike.
Out of sight out of mind. It's only when I hear his stumbling inarticulate words when he comes out from hiding am I glad I now have a President who is articulate, intelligent, and forceful in his actions. Bush is the least intelligent of all our Presidents and the least competent. History will not be kind.
Bush the man was better then Bush the President. I never had problems with the man but the things that were done as President. We were never given a valid reason for going to war in Iraq... they did not have WMDs, they were not behind 9/11, and it is not our oil. Can't say that I much respect Bush's military service record but can excuse it being he was young and stupid at the time.
It really helps that Cheney and Rummy are out of the picture.
lily, good post and I heartily agree.
I just checked, and the actual question Gallup asked was
"Next, we'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them. How about --"
So, if I was asked that now about GW Bush, I might well say "favorable" because he's been smart enough to shut his mouth and stay out of the political limelight, unlike Dick Cheney, who continues to remind us why he left office with a 13% approval rating.
As I stated above Tobr posted this very same topic back in April and the reasons were discussed then. I doubt they have changed much in the last 2 months.
What I posted on the original thread about this:
RE: W has gone from 33% to 47% approval rating since
•Posted by epiphyticlvr 10 (My Page) on
Mon, Apr 29, 13 at 17:40
Almost as many people (47 percent) approve of how Bush handled his eight years in office as disapprove (50 percent), according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. That’s the highest approval rating for Bush since December 2005. Bush’s approval dipped all the way to 23 percent in Post-ABC polling in October 2008 and was just 33 percent in January 2009 when he left office. (His approval rating was below 40 percent for 26 consecutive months before his term ended, the longest streak of sub-40 presidential ratings since polling began in the 1930s.)
And, what’s fascinating is that it’s not just Bush’s overall job approval numbers but the intensity measures. In the new Post-ABC poll, 34 percent say they “strongly” disapprove of the job he did while in office; that’s the lowest strong disapprove number for Bush since January 2005.
Bush’s biggest gains over the past few years have come among seniors (30 percent approval in 2008, 57 percent approval today), non-college whites (34 percent in 2008, 57 percent now) and moderate/conservative Democrats (10 percent in 2008, 33 percent now).
Who hasn’t changed their views of Bush? African Americans (90 percent disapproval in 2008, 84 percent disapproval now) and Democrats (90 percent disapproval in ’08, 73 percent now).
Here’s a chart ��" courtesy of the good people at Capital Insight ��" detailing the comparison between Bush’s aggregate 2008 numbers and his showing in the new Post-ABC poll across a variety of subgroups6What accounts for Bush’s resurgence? It’s likely due to a well-documented trend when it comes the public and their politicians: No matter how much people dislike someone when he/she is in office, the longer that person is out of office the more difficult it is to sustain that dislike. We have very short collective political memories. (That trait also explains why political second chances ��" Mark Sanford, Anthony Weiner ��" can work in American society.)
That collective forgetting goes double for Bush, who, more than any recent president, has stayed out of the public eye since leaving office. He is rarely quoted on any subject and largely eschews any attempts ��" beyond his memoir ��" to analyze what went right and wrong with his presidency.
Plus, to the extent there is any news about Bush, it tends to be on the personal side. His father’s illness (and recovery) and his daughter’s newborn daughter are the sort of stories that paint a softer portrait of Bush and one that is far easier to like.
There is a certain group of people ��" Democrats, mostly ��" that will never forgive Bush for the war in Iraq and his handling of Hurricane Katrina (among other things). But, for a large swath of the public, Bush’s mistakes in office are in the past and what they have heard about him over the past five-ish years makes them like him more than they did when he was serving as president
The original thread from April.
Here is a link that might be useful: The original link that explains why
Glad to see things were all sweetness and light , as suggested by Demi, while I was gone........
This post was edited by chase on Thu, Jun 13, 13 at 22:52
So many horses to flog so little time.
Not with me he doesn't. He cost thousands of U.S. troops their lives and caused the deaths of untold civilians in his liar war. He's still disgusting and the worst president ever.
I want that man tried as a war criminal!
Indeed. You aren't alone with that sentiment but I will add his cohorts Cheney and Rumseld should be as well.
We are still living with what he wrought and will be for a very long time. There are many who have long memories and are living with the consquences of his presidency.
Bush Blair and Howard tried together!
It never ceases to amaze me how the murder of thousands of Iraqi innocents and the needless death and injury to thousands of American soldiers is nothing compared to the outrage of Obamacare.........go figure...
The selective outrage is based on one thing, and one thing only.
I concur with Epi...
I was always in favor of some form of the government involvement in my health care before Obama got involved.
I'll be glad when he's gone so I can be for it again.
I was also big on encouraging our country to get involved in the Mideast mess before Obama came along.
Now I'm 100% against it.
You can find countless examples of this if you search my past postings.
Yes, it is amazing, isn't it. Well, disgusting may be a better word for it.
Yes, indeed, and here we are finding that Syria has been using WMD, according to some secret government findings, and not one thread has been started about that. Deja vu?
Nope, what's important to you?
Bush. Bush and his popularity.
Never ceases to amaze me.
Feel free to start a thread on anything you'd like.
"It never ceases to amaze me how the murder of thousands of Iraqi innocents and the needless death and injury to thousands of American soldiers is nothing compared to the outrage of Obamacare.........go figure...
Yes, it is amazing, isn't it. Well, disgusting may be a better word for it."
Agree, and think Bush and cohorts should be tried for war crimes, or crimes against humanity. With what's publicly known, these guys should all be serving life sentences.
Back to Bush, after the unwarranted attempt to divert this thread, W's legacy (or his "favorable rating" as the OP refers to it) will largely be based on how much responsibility the public assigns to him for his inaction prior to 9/11 and how he responded on that day as the CIC and thereafter.
We now know about the 8/06/01 PDB which was a stunning revelation and one that should have resulted in Bush's impeachment. As time goes by, we may find out more about the further extent of Bush's knowledge about Bin Laden's hi-jacking threats and why Bush either ignored them or chose inaction.
As to Bush's response in the wake of 9/11, his singular focus on Saddam Hussein and his orchestration of war propaganda to invade Iraq was a tragic way to use the political capital he collected from the worst attack on our shores in our nations history. At the same time, the way Bush talked tough, wanting OBL "Dead or Alive" and then lost focus on capturing/killing OBL was astonishing, especially as the Iraq War continued on.
Finally, Bush's inexplicable behavior on 9/11 and the cover-up of that behavior by Cheney and those who surrounded him on that day will be looked upon harshly by historians and ordinary Americans who have the intellectual curiousity to examine the record and gather the facts for themselves.
Among the facts that most of us already know are that Bush inexplicably sat reading My Pet Goat to children for seven minutes after being told that our country was under attack. Then he remained for another two minutes before leaving the school.
Then off to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana and then all the way to a bunker at Offut AFB in Omaha, Nebraska.
Bush buried his head in the sand like an ostrich. He failed to address the American people for hours while he fled for cover on 9/11, even after the skies were clear of commercial airline traffic.
Then Bush, Cheney and others just lied about all of it.
Read the excellent Wall Street journal article linked below that documents the lies of Bush and his henchmen following 9/11.
Take that information and the images of Bush, frozen with inaction after being advised that our nation was under attack, and consider whether that was appropriate behavior for a leader during the worst attack on our country in its history, or whether that was the action of a small man, frozen with his own guilt , weighing options about how to avoid responsibility for failing to act to prevent the hijackings he had been warned about.
Edited to add the correct link to the pdf of the article referenced
Here is a link that might be useful: Government Accounts of 9/11 Reveal Gaps, Inconsistencies
This post was edited by heri_cles on Sun, Jun 16, 13 at 0:46
I can only concur with what you wrote. History will not be kind when recalling that the Iraq invasion did not have to happen. It was a senseless war of greed. And our invasion left that country worse off than it was under Saddam. But how quickly Americans forget.....
Short term memory loss, or selective memory? How people can view this man in anything but a criminal way is unimaginable.
The man has the blood of his own countrymen and women on his hands, not to mention the innocent people who happened to be 'collateral damage' in his twisted power and greed games.
"Agree, and think Bush and cohorts should be tried for war crimes, or crimes against humanity. With what's publicly known, these guys should all be serving life sentences."
Drone, drone, drone. NSA, NSA, NSA. Gitmo, gitmo, gitmo. Syria, Syria, Syria.
When you get right down to it, about the ONLY difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama is the darker-skinned one.
I don't really care about Bush. We've got plenty to be concerned about today.
Sitting here pondering, though. In those first few minutes after it became known that there were several, how many unknown at that point, planes hitting important targets like the Pentagon and one that seemed to have been heading toward Washington, where would YOU, as President head for?
Sit there and try to do your duty from the classroom?
Head straight to Washington and hope it's still there when you get there?
Head to a very secure bunker, well equipped for just this type of emergency with all the communication gear and the like that you'd need in this kind of emergency?
Where would YOU, given that limited information, go ?
Disneyland is not an option.
C'mon... the guy was a ready made politician, an idiot, and a puppet. The difference between Bush and Obama is more than a skin tone, even though I'm not happy with many of the current President's policies and handling.
Why everyone thinks Obama is a traitor to liberals, I'm sure I don't know. We all knew he was not a liberal going into the first election, so what made anyone think he would turn instant liberal once in office? Not to mention the fact that no President acts alone in our current government system, something no one seems to remember when we talk about the office.
The differences are stark, though they have nothing to do with race, as far as I'm concerned. That's irrelevant to any issue.
Israel: White Phosphorus Bombs.
Let him open his treasonous mouth just once on national TV and his rating would drop right on back down to 20%.
Out of sight out of mind.
He should be rotting in a prison.
I second that. I DID see him open his mouth the other day and thought...thank God I don't have to look at his dumb face every day.
He , Cheney, and cohorts should be rotting in prison for war crimes.
I've heard this exclamation in various forms on this forum. If they're guilty of war crimes, why aren't they????
"He , Cheney, and cohorts should be rotting in prison for war crimes."
Yes, and Obama should be given the Nobel Peace Prize.
President Obama should never have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize in my estimation...but then again they didn't ask me what I thought.
As far as Bush and war crimes....I'm not so sure.
I despise what he did and what the outcome was for thousands and thousands of American and Iraqi families. Just not sure that starting wars for no good reason meets the standard of a war crime....if it did then there would be a lot of world "leaders" on trial.
I think a war crime is more to do with how the war is conducted not so much the reasons it was waged.
None the less the man is a dolt. I believe Cheney ran the country and that Bush followed blindly I don't think he is so much a bad person as he is a village idiot.
I have come to understand though that a huge number of Americans prefer the predictability of a village idiot than the uncertainty of a thinking person.
Who are the village idiots-this numbskull and his handlers or the American people who voted him into office not once but twice in sufficient numbers to be treated as a more or less legitimate election??????? The same nitwits who have forgotten what that brought them? Those people?
Well I never said that he was the only village idiot...you have a lot of villages!!!
Where would YOU, given that limited information, go ..., Disneyland.
Did you read the Wall Street Journal article hay? I link to it again below because you apparently are not aware of the facts. All hi-jacked planes had been crashed. All commercial jetliners in the entire country were grounded by the time Bush left Barksdale for Offut in Nebraska. There was no threat to Bush or Air Force One ("Angel").
Cheney flat out lied about that. Agai, there were no commercial jetliners even in the air to threaten AF1.
The President had a fighter jet escort and of course the enormous Eglin AFB in Florida was between Sarasota and Washington.
Bush, Rove and Fleischer were buying time because they did not know at that point who knew that Bush was warned about the hijackings and whether or not Bush would be blamed by the American people for his gross negligence.
As it turned out, the American people were not told that Bush had been warned about multiple hi-jackings until the Senate hearing, where the 8/6/01 PDB was revealed.
Here is a link that might be useful: Bush actions on 9/11
This post was edited by heri_cles on Sun, Jun 16, 13 at 1:33
Why aren't they in prison? Because money talks and special interests walk... is about as close to a description as one could probably get. Why isn't Alice Walton serving time for her role in a DUI accident that took a life? Same reasons.
As a former head of state, I'm certain Bush enjoys immunity that the average citizen would not be able to enjoy given circumstances. But at least Swiss officials take his admission of ordered torture techniques seriously... as of 2011...
Here is a link that might be useful: Bush Cancels Visit To Switzerland
I bet you were big on killing bin Laden too...until Obama came along.