I was just lucky enough to have a fantastic in-person trade with Erin. She has more plants in her backyard than I've ever seen anywhere and she gave me one (or more) of each - Plus rooting hormone to start cuttings! She is so nice and so generous, I can't recommend trading with her enough. We're going to get together again to go to a plant swap in Greer, SC in September and also to have a plant sale at her house. Visit Erin if you can and if not arrange a mail trade, you won't be disappointed!