Does This Seem Fair, Part 2
Interesting how simple questions posted can be twisted, projecting individual ideologies, and away from original point in question. The basis question simple was, should individual exhibitors be penalized, because ARS does not have time to publish changes on a timely basis? Precisely what had accrued. The posted question was to seek positive constructive criticism from RC members, and help ARS solve a continuous ongoing problem . No one except Bob Martin Jr. came up with any type constructive dialogue towards a solution. ARS problems cannot be solved if not openly discussed, or individuals freedom of speech is restricted or removed like in 3RD world countries.
Jolene let me point out, it was never stated or implied judges used MR 12 per sa, only MR 12 database, as explained to exhibitor by judges. Yes exhibitors could have purchased ARS 2007 OL. But would you buy a publication, knowing itÃ¢ÂÂs missing 310 of the 489 registered roses in 2006, along with other errors? Or that in four or five months it would be obsolete. Also FYI, a hybridizer can change classification of a rose by producing a proper rational. ARS would be contacted to request the change, but its still the Ã¢ÂÂClassification CommitteeÃ¢ÂÂ that usually approves it.
Even if exhibitors used the 2007 OL listing Olive as a shrub, would that make it absolute and ARS correct in making a classification change? In 2006 OL Olive (HARpillar) is listed as a Fl, mr 1982, in the 2007 OL its changed to a shrub. To complicate matters apparently Harkness has another Olive, Cat # (cloliv10) classed as a shrub mr, 1992. Is there the slightest possibility that when ARS Ã¢ÂÂClassification CommitteeÃ¢ÂÂ reviewed roses prior to printing MR 12, a mix up accrued? If the latest entry in MR 12 database was Aug 29, 2006 and list Olive as a shrub, why was it not included in the Nov 2006 Ã¢ÂÂRose magazine with other rose changes? Only time will tell.
The Combined Rose List is made up of nurseries latest 2007 catalogues, it show Olive (HARpillar) as a Fl mr, 1982, still is in commerce in NA. The last time Olive (HARpillar) appeared in the Handbook was 1999 in a RIR report as a Fl., without a rating.