Austin bush shapes and their root ??

lola-lemon(5b East WA)March 15, 2013

So, I was reading through the archives on some of my favorite bushes and was surprised that a lot of people regard Scepter d'isle to have octopus arms and stingy blooming.
for me she is a perfect vase shape And she is vigorous and full and well balanced. She blooms nonstop. loaded.
I planted her as a 2 year old own root and the by the third year it was clear she had to go to the back of the bed because she was too tall and wide. But she is perfect otherwise.

So- given this dichotomy of experiences......I wonder if certain Austins do better on their own root? Or are likely to behave better on their own root?

I wonder if I would like infuriating Gertrude Jekyl better if she were own root? Will she stop her split personality of growing only wimpy short horizontal canes and 8 foot unbranched fishing poles? Will she bloom better?

Anyone care to weigh in on their experience with these austins on own root or grafted.

Sharifa Asma
Gertrude Jekyll
William Shakespeare 2000
C. Princess Margareta
Jude the Obscure

.. or any others you like

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Hi Lola--did you mean to post on the Rose Forum or the Antique Rose Forum? This is the gallery--so you might want to re-post. You'll probably get more responses on the regular rose forums.

But in the meantime, I'll add that I am planting Scepter'd Isle this afternoon and I hope that, grafted, it does not go wild with octopus arms! I bought it assuming a nice vase-shaped bush like you mention.

I dont' know what region you are in, but my impression is that most of the octopus-arms complaints come from California with their unique growing conditions. So far, here in middle America, I have run in to no monsters--with the possible exception of Gertrude. Between her odd growth patterns and unbelievably prickly canes and very poor re-bloom, I decided she is the ultimate diva and not worth my time, so I dug her up years ago and have never regretted it.

So I don't think there is anything you can do about Gertrude, but if you don't live in California, your Scepter'd Isle should bloom floriferously on its vase-shaped bush-- : )

I've never compared a Shakespeare 2000 grafted and own root, but my impression is that no matter what you do with it, WS 2000 grows awkwardly SIDEWAYS--yup--spreads out its heavily-laden branches that sometime need supports to hold them up. One poster on here claims his beautiful WS 2000 grows 6 ft wide but only a few feet up. But it produces the loveliest blooms and reblooms quite well and has some disease-resistance--so I love mine (it is grafted, by the way). Don't think you can do much to change Shakespeare's nature either.


    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 11:49AM
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lola-lemon(5b East WA)

Thanks Kate. Yup, wrong forum. I couldn't figure out where it went!

I hope your scepter is as wonderful for you as mine is for me. Good to hear everyone's wm shakes grows sideways. Mine reminds me of a young tomato vine sometimes, but I think it really wants to be a petunia. ;-)

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 12:59AM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

Tamora has stayed under 5 ft. at a friend's (Calif.). Good one for small city gardens.

There is a book at our library that has a 'diagram' with each rose showing its mature shape. Older intros. Been searching for something that online. No luck as yet.

I have noticed the Austin's I have take 3-4 years to show their stuff.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 9:27PM
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I thought it was just my Shakespeare! I solved it with a tomato/veggie ladder from Gardener's Supply Co. They last years and years. I had them and decided to try them for training floppy bands and it is just the thing to hold Shakespeare up until his canes gain some ability to stand on their own. These are also good for keeping any leaning over canes full of rose blooms upright. The green color blends in and does not distract.

Sceptered Isle was lying down but now is a bit more upright but still has long arms. Hopefully as the canes age and thicken they will lay down less.

The oddest one was Queen of Sweden. It grew 2 long long sky high (6'+) thin canes that eventually fell over. I cut it back dramatically and put it in a pot. If it continues doing that I don't think I'll keep it.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 12:21AM
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Years ago i had som Gertrude Jekyll on its own roots but the bush didn't do any better.

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 5:35PM
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