Just want to say that I bought 2 Veranda roses dirt cheap at HD last year (1 gallon) and never have seen anything like them! Counted over 50 flowers on one. They droop over, gracefully, so I put them in tall pots. Didn't mind the terrible winter, have NO black spot, the flowers are big English Heirloom type. I am in love! I keep going back for more, but so far they haven't gotten any in...if you see any grab 'em!