Year 4 of my rose garden..
So....I didn't even use any Neem oil last year. I was busy and my garden was neglected. I took out a few dog roses..and I fear Vavoom is on the SP list..it just BS's all the time...but let me tell you folks..I am so pleased with the small amount of BS I have in my garden this year. I try to ignore it..and the bugs. Let my roses fight it out for themselves and it is working. I know it is not a well known rose..but my Octavia Hill Rose is in the shade and I am in the shade in the PNW and her leaves are glossy and green. Less chemicals is the answer.