Thanks for any and all help!
here's a couple guesses given it's age:
ard's rover - introduced in 1898
Cramoisi Superieur - introduced in 1885
crimson glory = 1946
orange triumph (really is red and no fragrance ) - 1937
Thanks so much I looked all of these up the only one that seems the closest are the Cramoisi Superior and Catherine Guillot.
The other ones are deifnitely not. the flower is very petite less than 1" 1/2.
Any help is appreciated.
the orange truimph climber has smaller flowers and would be my best guess since it's also without smell and seems to have the clustered flowers. the average bloom size is 4 cm.
I looked at it, no luck