Dark red Hybrid Tea in need of ID.

Ronn BonitesNovember 12, 2013

Just bought a new rose today and I'd like to know its name if anyone can identify it for future reference in case I want to breed it.

Please and Thank you!

Oh, and if the pictures aren't clear enough, I'll try and replace them with better ones.

Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

A bud that's about to open. Note the dark red part of the stem close to the sepals.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 10:49AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

The whole plant.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 10:51AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

A better picture of the flower.

This post was edited by Resolute_Noir on Fri, Nov 15, 13 at 6:23

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 10:54AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
seil zone 6b MI

Were there any tags on it? Where did you buy it? There are several red hybrid teas it could be.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 8:07PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

Nope. Our local nursery has no tags for Roses and they pretty much label them just by color.

Also, I don't know if this helps but a thing to note about this one is it sometimes appear black under dim lighting and under further inspection, it appears to be nearly thornless.

Could it be that it's just too young to produce thorns yet?

    Bookmark   November 13, 2013 at 3:19AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

I've measured the plant to be 3.2 feet tall and I found something interesting that could help identify it.

There are these "wings" around under the flower. (Circled in red) They look like a pair of a single leaflet each around the base of the flower. I suspect them to be "bracts" or a deformed part of the calyx. I'm really sorry that I can't describe them in more accurate terms. I'm just a college student so I'm not yet familiar with the appropriate terms.

These are also noticeable in the photos I've posted before if you look at the first leaflet sets right after the flowers.

Anyway, I think that could help narrow down the list of dark red HTs my plant could resemble.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2013 at 4:02AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
petaloid(SoCal 10a/24)

I do not know what rose varieties are sold in the Philippines . It may be a variety that is also popular in the continental U.S., where most folks here are located.

Could you describe the color, as you see it? Is it a warmer red verging on dark orange, a cooler red verging on burgundy, or something else?

How would you describe the fragrance?

    Bookmark   November 14, 2013 at 3:36PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

The red is leaning more towards a cooler hue and is sort of burgundy in the shade, pinkish in the light, and sometimes looks almost black when it's very dark.

It has a mild sweet smell but only when you poke your nose into the flower. Literally.

    Bookmark   November 15, 2013 at 6:32AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

One of the flowers shed its petals in the wind today and I was able to pick up some of them.

This a picture of the petals in low lighting.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 4:08AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

And a pic of the petals under a light. (My camera's flash)

They're actually a lot more vibrant than this but my camera doesn't pick up red too well.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 4:11AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

You may have noticed by now that there's a single petal with a single stripe among them. The stripe's color is exactly the same color my camera picked up here.

Here's a closer view of the petals with the striped one as the center of attention.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 4:15AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
seil zone 6b MI

I don't know if it would be available in the Phillipines but a fairly common and popular one is Lavaglut.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 6:38PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

Hmm... Lavaglut looks pretty close to my rose, even the foliage. Some pictures of Lavaglut have the reddish part of the stem underneath the flowers like mine while some don't. I dunno about the "wings" I mentioned before but it's the closest match so far.

Thanks seil!

    Bookmark   November 17, 2013 at 4:58AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

So I've come across American Glory on HMF and it's also another close match. It even has the "wings" my rose has.

HMF also says it has none to mild damask fragrance, I've never encountered nor smelled damask roses or perfumes before so I dunno about that.

    Bookmark   November 17, 2013 at 5:36AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
bethnorcal9

Kinda reminds me of CRIMSON BOUQUET. I had it yrs ago, but it died on me. I don't know if it has any scent. And HMF doesn't mention scent. But it sort of looks like it. I see a darker almost black edge on it, and that's a characteristic of CB. Being a Kordes rose, it would probably be readily available overseas.

    Bookmark   November 17, 2013 at 1:12PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

Flower-wise it does look like Crimson Bouquet, but plant-wise it looks like American Glory.

Could it be a seedling of AG and CB? Nah, I know roses hybrids don't work that way. lol.

    Bookmark   November 19, 2013 at 8:27AM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
dan_keil_cr Keil(Illinois z5)

Lavaglut is a Floribunda and is really dark red. The total height of the bloom is much smaller than yours.
How many petals does it have. I have a petal count of all my plants for ID purposes.
Does it have fragrance?
The stems look to be almost thornless.

    Bookmark   December 23, 2013 at 3:26PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

Well it doesn't look like a Floribunda to me so Lavaglut is out. I've counted it to have 28+ petals and has a faint sweet tea-like fragrance and yes it is quite thornless.

    Bookmark   December 30, 2013 at 9:26PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

The "wings" are just stipules etc. and are a very common feature.

Here is a link that might be useful: How can I identify a mystery rose?

This post was edited by bboy on Tue, Dec 31, 13 at 14:55

    Bookmark   December 31, 2013 at 2:51PM
Thank you for reporting this comment. Undo
Ronn Bonites

I see. That was the first time I noticed bracts on a rose before. I saw it on every other rose I bought after it though. XD

    Bookmark   January 1, 2014 at 6:10AM
Sign Up to comment
More Discussions
What rose is this on the cover of "In search of lost roses"?
I am sorry I know it is probably like looking for a...
kingcobbtx9b
Is this Maggie (1900) or Magenta Kordes (1954)
I lost the tag to this rose but I remember it either...
caflowerluver
Tall deep pink rose ID
This rose was planted by the previous owner, probably...
BarbJP CA 15-16/9B
identify this amazing rose for me please!!!
Hello I woiuld greatly appreciate if any of you could...
lcadem
Please help identify my roses :)
Hi, I have just started gardening. I live in Bangladesh...
sn21
People viewed this after searching for:
© 2015 Houzz Inc. Houzz® The new way to design your home™