Dark red Hybrid Tea in need of ID.

Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))November 12, 2013

Just bought a new rose today and I'd like to know its name if anyone can identify it for future reference in case I want to breed it.

Please and Thank you!

Oh, and if the pictures aren't clear enough, I'll try and replace them with better ones.

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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

A bud that's about to open. Note the dark red part of the stem close to the sepals.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 10:49AM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

The whole plant.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 10:51AM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

A better picture of the flower.

This post was edited by Resolute_Noir on Fri, Nov 15, 13 at 6:23

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 10:54AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Were there any tags on it? Where did you buy it? There are several red hybrid teas it could be.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2013 at 8:07PM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

Nope. Our local nursery has no tags for Roses and they pretty much label them just by color.

Also, I don't know if this helps but a thing to note about this one is it sometimes appear black under dim lighting and under further inspection, it appears to be nearly thornless.

Could it be that it's just too young to produce thorns yet?

    Bookmark   November 13, 2013 at 3:19AM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

I've measured the plant to be 3.2 feet tall and I found something interesting that could help identify it.

There are these "wings" around under the flower. (Circled in red) They look like a pair of a single leaflet each around the base of the flower. I suspect them to be "bracts" or a deformed part of the calyx. I'm really sorry that I can't describe them in more accurate terms. I'm just a college student so I'm not yet familiar with the appropriate terms.

These are also noticeable in the photos I've posted before if you look at the first leaflet sets right after the flowers.

Anyway, I think that could help narrow down the list of dark red HTs my plant could resemble.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2013 at 4:02AM
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petaloid(SoCal 10a/24)

I do not know what rose varieties are sold in the Philippines . It may be a variety that is also popular in the continental U.S., where most folks here are located.

Could you describe the color, as you see it? Is it a warmer red verging on dark orange, a cooler red verging on burgundy, or something else?

How would you describe the fragrance?

    Bookmark   November 14, 2013 at 3:36PM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

The red is leaning more towards a cooler hue and is sort of burgundy in the shade, pinkish in the light, and sometimes looks almost black when it's very dark.

It has a mild sweet smell but only when you poke your nose into the flower. Literally.

    Bookmark   November 15, 2013 at 6:32AM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

One of the flowers shed its petals in the wind today and I was able to pick up some of them.

This a picture of the petals in low lighting.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 4:08AM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

And a pic of the petals under a light. (My camera's flash)

They're actually a lot more vibrant than this but my camera doesn't pick up red too well.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 4:11AM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

You may have noticed by now that there's a single petal with a single stripe among them. The stripe's color is exactly the same color my camera picked up here.

Here's a closer view of the petals with the striped one as the center of attention.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 4:15AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I don't know if it would be available in the Phillipines but a fairly common and popular one is Lavaglut.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 6:38PM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

Hmm... Lavaglut looks pretty close to my rose, even the foliage. Some pictures of Lavaglut have the reddish part of the stem underneath the flowers like mine while some don't. I dunno about the "wings" I mentioned before but it's the closest match so far.

Thanks seil!

    Bookmark   November 17, 2013 at 4:58AM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

So I've come across American Glory on HMF and it's also another close match. It even has the "wings" my rose has.

HMF also says it has none to mild damask fragrance, I've never encountered nor smelled damask roses or perfumes before so I dunno about that.

    Bookmark   November 17, 2013 at 5:36AM
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bethnorcal9

Kinda reminds me of CRIMSON BOUQUET. I had it yrs ago, but it died on me. I don't know if it has any scent. And HMF doesn't mention scent. But it sort of looks like it. I see a darker almost black edge on it, and that's a characteristic of CB. Being a Kordes rose, it would probably be readily available overseas.

    Bookmark   November 17, 2013 at 1:12PM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

Flower-wise it does look like Crimson Bouquet, but plant-wise it looks like American Glory.

Could it be a seedling of AG and CB? Nah, I know roses hybrids don't work that way. lol.

    Bookmark   November 19, 2013 at 8:27AM
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dan_keil_cr Keil(Illinois z5)

Lavaglut is a Floribunda and is really dark red. The total height of the bloom is much smaller than yours.
How many petals does it have. I have a petal count of all my plants for ID purposes.
Does it have fragrance?
The stems look to be almost thornless.

    Bookmark   December 23, 2013 at 3:26PM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

Well it doesn't look like a Floribunda to me so Lavaglut is out. I've counted it to have 28+ petals and has a faint sweet tea-like fragrance and yes it is quite thornless.

    Bookmark   December 30, 2013 at 9:26PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

The "wings" are just stipules etc. and are a very common feature.

Here is a link that might be useful: How can I identify a mystery rose?

This post was edited by bboy on Tue, Dec 31, 13 at 14:55

    Bookmark   December 31, 2013 at 2:51PM
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Resolute_Noir(11 (Philippines/tropical))

I see. That was the first time I noticed bracts on a rose before. I saw it on every other rose I bought after it though. XD

    Bookmark   January 1, 2014 at 6:10AM
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