good seed parents

canadian_rose(zone 3a)January 2, 2013

Does anyone know if there's a list of good seed parents? Specifically HTs.

Or...

Here is a list of roses I grow (all grown in pots overwintered in garage)

Oklahoma
Neptune
Big Purple
Queen of Sweden
Gina Lollabrigida
Grace
Valencia
Double Delight
Betty White
Ch-Ching
Perfume Delight
Nicole Carol Miller
Chicago Peace
Elle
Peter Mayle
Rock & Roll
Tiffany
Evelyn
Night Owl
Enchanted Evening
Frederic Mistral
All America Magic
Mr. Lincoln
Gemini
Royal Kate
Royal Amethyst
Just Joey
Abraham Darby
Pink Peace
Memorial Day
New Zealand
Mother of Pearl
Crown Princess Margareta

I honestly tried (for an hour and a half) to find information on this...but I'm hopeless at finding things on the internet.

Thanks,
Carol

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trospero(8)

Hi Carol,
If I were working in such a cold, restrictive climate, the Hybrid Teas are just about the last group of roses I would choose to hybridize, given their inherent lack of freeze tolerance. There is such a limited selection of truly winter hardy, zone 4 and colder, repeat-blooming roses available that it would be a great gift to the community if you were to choose to work on expanding the cold climate roses catalog :-) The Canadian Explorer roses have barely been tapped as a breeding resource, so much could be done still! *hint, hint*

Paul

    Bookmark   January 2, 2013 at 12:03PM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Unfortunately my soil here is glacial till so I would need a bulldozer to plant roses here. My first year here I got my husband to dig a very large hole - he used a pick. I planted Morden Blush - but the rose just died - water wouldn't drain. So I decided since I would have to grow roses in pots (every roser in my area does) I would grow tender roses. They have become my passion. :)

But you have a good idea - just not for my area.
Carol

    Bookmark   January 2, 2013 at 2:38PM
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roseseek

Carol, Paul is right on with this one. Plus, with a premium membership to Help Me Find-Roses, you have full access to all the breeding/parentage information for all roses with listed parents. $2 a month. You probably already look up roses there. With your premium membership, you can look to see if what made the rose you're researching has been disclosed and check to see what the rose may have been used to create. How the information is listed tells you who was the seed parent and whose pollen was used. The 'mom' is always listed first. So, for Oklahoma, the cross was Chrysler Imperial X Charles Mallerin. Chrysler was the seed parent with Charles supplying the pollen. Then, you can see the reported offspring Oklahoma has made, often with living color photographs of the results. That will help answer many of your questions and easily show you what has been well used to make good roses. Plus, it's a lot of fun! Good luck! Kim

    Bookmark   January 4, 2013 at 11:50PM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Kim - I clued in to that as well :)
I registered for the premium membership and got the parentage all figured out. This is what I'm going with:

Memorial Day X Paradise Found
Charles Austin X Valenica
Charles Austin X Betty White
Memorial Day X Betty White
Mister Lincoln X Queen of Sweden

Hopefully I'll get seeds and hopefully my first attempt at hybridizing will go well.

If you're interested in hardy roses that have been hybridized by an amateur check out Far Northern Gardening and search for hybridizing. This one guy has really, really, really beautiful roses that he's hybridized. They're incredible.

Carol

    Bookmark   January 5, 2013 at 2:35AM
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roseseek

Wonderful, Carol! While I find it interesting to read of the successes in creating cold hardy roses, most of them are as unsuitable for my endless summer climate as most of those which flourish here are in areas demanding the arctic hardiness. Your crosses sound as if they should result in some interesting results!

In case you didn't catch them, an Australian gentleman, Warren Millington, has bred some real beauties from Charles Austin. The numbered seedlings here

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?grpLst=1.2.3.4.5.6&l=2.1071.1&tab=21&lstTyp=256&grp=1

are Warren's Charles Austin offspring. He is currently experiencing temps up to 118 F, so arctic hardiness isn't a requirement for him, but he has definitely created some amazingly beautiful roses from some rather imaginative matings. They may give you some indication of what you might expect from your crosses. You might also enjoy browsing and lurking on the Rose Hybridizers Association. That's where I first saw Warren's beauties. Here's the link.

http://www.rosebreeders.org/forum/list.php?2

There are quite a few people there who endure your kind of conditions and are breeding for disease resistant, cold hardy roses. You'll find a number of "kindred spirits". Thanks for the link to the hardy breeding. I'll have to check it out! Thanks! Good luck and please be sure to share your baby pictures as they flower! Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Warren's listing on HMF

    Bookmark   January 5, 2013 at 2:55AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Oh those are wonderful links!! Thank you!!

Yeah, I chose CHarles Austin because it seems to be such a good seed parent.

Yes, I'll definitely post pictures next winter if this all works out.

Thanks! I'm off to check out those websites.
Carol

    Bookmark   January 5, 2013 at 9:43PM
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roseseek

You're welcome Carol! Enjoy! Kim

    Bookmark   January 5, 2013 at 10:09PM
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