I thought it was Breitbart's folly and lies.
BIG surpise, but not to some of us.
That arrogance knows no bounds.
I never have figured out what this story was about. But I'm glad it was resolved.
I am deeply disappointed...:(
However, I do think Breitbert is a bigger tool than Weiner's pic.
I posted this on the other thread before I knew labrea had started a new one.
Yeah, I did it, and I'm not resigning!! From Weiners own mouth. More women than one. When asked if there was another more "pornographic" picture of himself that he had sent. He said, could be.
Someone made a very good point. When these guys do these things, aren't they opening themselves up to blackmail by those who do not have Americas best interest at heart?
Should he resign?
I wish to remind the naive among us that men, even politicians, are little boys when genitalia are involved in the fantasy of their reptilian brains. No surprise here, no shocking revelations, not harm, no foul, just fodder for small mind and political partisanship.
I agree with that Marshall...the power of the human sex drive trumps all and what has changed is technology and easy access.
I brought that up on another thread...what is it with some men and how their brains kick out when their balls kick in?
No, the balls are only along for the ride until called upon.
Chase, I think it's the majority of men. Some just control it better.
I found him arrogant at the press conference and felt disgusted at his smug attitude.
FYI from today's HuntingtonPost.com:
""Breastaurants," the term used to describe restaurants that feature scantily-clad women as waitresses, are poised to become one of the fastest-growing restaurant categories, according to Entrepreneur magazine. Although it is hard to tell exactly how much these restaurants gross since they are lumped into the more general casual dining category, Hooters sales now net about $1 billion annually, after increasing from the past few years.
Hooters is probably the most familiar breastaurant, but there are several other chains nipping at its heels, all offering their own spin on push-up tops and tight bottoms. Celtic-themed sports bar Tilted Kilt Pub & Eatery CEO Ron Lynch explains his chain's concept to Entrepreneur, "We sell on sex appeal, but we are sexy classy, sexy smart or sexy cute. Not sexy stupid or sexy trashy." Randy DeWitt of the Twin Peaks chain feels similarly (restaurant name notwithstanding?), explaining that Twin Peaks has much better quality food and more "finished" uniforms for the girls.
Lynch's crew practices "'touchology," which isn't quite as dirty as it sounds. His waitresses touch the table often to make the guests feel welcome. DeWitt echoes Lynch's service philosophy; his regulars are greeted by name and often request specific waitresses, also by name.
For all you ever want to know about breastaurants, Business Insider has an in-depth slideshow of the many iterations. Other breastaurant chains include Mugs 'N Jugs, Bone Daddy's House of Smoke, Brick House Tavern + Tap, Burger Girl and The Honey Shack.
No wonder eighth graders dine there."
Natal, I agree.......just look at the amount of pornography, on line sex forums etc. Huge business !
Women are usually the offers of the services, men the buyers, ...women bear a certain burden of responsibility too. although not in this instance.
Thankfully his wife wasn't doing the "stand by your man" thing. Personally I hope his political career is done.
Anyhow the whole thing makes me want to gag.
Well, apparently Bill Clinton officiated at Weiner's Wedding.
Perhaps Clinton gave Weiner tips not only how to cheat on your wife and indulge in sexual exploits with young women not your wife--perhaps Clinton also gave Weiner tips on how to lie about it.
Is that your crotch in those photos?
Depends on what the meaning of "is."
"I can't say with certitude."
"I've been hacked."
No, Congressman Weiner, those people so quick to blame others for YOUR lies, HAVE BEEN HAD.
We knew better.
LOL!!!!!! Chase, that was classic!
SNORT....another Liberal Democrat a$$hat arrogantly caught lying.
Who woulda' thunk it? What a moron.
I find it hilarious that in a nation that comes 3rd (worldwide) in the porn and sex trade, someone has to apologise for a pic of his clad boner.
That he was lying seems to be less important. Go figure.
Still, Breitbart was catering to his audience, obsessed with other people's sexlife (get your own, for a change).
So he's not going to resign? Dang! the plot failed.
I said from the very beginning he was was "NOT" telling the truth. The way he danced around everything in every interview. Dead giveaway.. How stupid can a public person be?? Their big egos always get in the way. Who ends up getting hurt in the end? Their families.. I hope the pressure gets so great on him he resigns...
This type of behaviour has no political affiliation......just men letting their testosterone take control of their brains.
like I said. makes me want to gag.
AH well the next generation coming up will have a lot of sexters & will have done this as teenagers.
Yes I did but I never impaled
My kids are shaking their heads alright...
RE: It was Weiner's Weiner
Yep. And Breitbart's arse is in tact. Gotta love it.
As a liberal who criticizes Democrats as the right rarely does when their guys get into trouble, I say he's a lying creep. Ewwww
Wiener is a whiner and Briebart is an arse.
I have no more respect for anyone that tries to justify Weiner's actions than I would for someone who would defended Briebart......they all make me want to gag.
Meh, I don't care. If these guys stay out of my bedroom (and womb)I stay out of theirs. I only like to point and mock when its some family values fake. I don't think weiner has ever posed as such.
Sorry lily, as a republican, I dislike the creeps on both sides. The foot tapper should have resigned, Livingston should have and did go, Ensign should have and did, and I'm sure there are others. Weiner is a creep as well.
Demi, What does Bill Clinton have to do with any of this?
Couldn't miss an opportunity to be snarky about a Democrat, could you?
Does it make you happy when you post your little digs?
This whole episode is disgusting and has nothing to do with Bill clinton.
This sort of behavior is not something new to WashingtonDC. I know an ex-staffer who passed from one Republican office to others during a 20+ career there. Her main attributes for the job were not legislative skills although she was bright enough. As she admitted to me, power is such an aphrodisac. She left the scene in response to a serious scandal, most of the details of which were never revealed and involved both parties and major lobbying organizations.
The Republicrats are of one cloth. Looking to see if the TeaParty types are any different.
Ok chloe, how about Bob Livingston, Ensign, Clinton, Weiner, all the same class.
chloe--the hypocrisy abounds.
Weiner repeatedly LIED, on many occasions, over and over about the specifics--just in recent days.
Now he admits he was lying.
That brings to mind another Democrat who was also an arrogant liar about a similar situation--don't you remember the shaking finger of Bill Clinton--and so outraged that he would be wrongfully accused"?
Yes, I posted a reference to Clinton.
It's pertinent--way more pertinent than the lies about this being a "setup" of Weiner.
Craigs list family values Chris Lee & his serach for passable cross dresser, Sen Vitters Mr Defense of Marriage who replaced Bob Livingston another fillander.
Vito Fossela illegitimate child & the DUI.
Palladino just ran for Gov of NY with a child by another woman with a whats the big deal attitude.
Don't know about the women on here but some of theguy might want to look in the mirror and ask if they have lusted in their hearts ah la Carter LOL
Clinton? Arrogant liar? What about the guy who went after him Gingrich??? Talk about arrogant hypocrite liar.
Remember Republican Chris Lee last February?
FTA: "Rep. Christopher Lee, R-N.Y., abruptly resigned from the House of Representatives Wednesday afternoon after a report emerged that he had sent flirtatious e-mails, including one with a bare-chested photo of himself, to a woman he met on Craigslist."
We'll see if Democrats hold Weiner to the same standards Republicans held Lee to. I won't hold my breath.
Here is a link that might be useful: Chris Lee
I just spent a few minutes looking at the other, main thread about Weiner.
Fun City it was. Some of those amongst us are looking rather foolish. I won't name names. Too many of them.
Too funny. Go check it out.
No, I didn't visit then and I'm not going to visit now.
"We'll see if Democrats hold Weiner to the same standards Republicans held Lee to. I won't hold my breath. "
They have different standards. Republicans are the ones who are usually worried about what happens in everyone elses bedrooms so its fair for them to ask Chris Lee to leave. But Dems try to stay out of peoples bedrooms, so it would be weird to ask him to leave unless he broke the law.
I have a slow dial up connection, and I haven't finished watching the video of the confession yet. But, from what I've seen so far, I like the little flag in the lapel routine the best. Even before he starts talking.
Me, I'm never going to run for public office. I'd rather have the fun without the worry.
So, talk about anything to avoid admitting that Weiner was NOT telling the truth and in fact was repeatedly lying, talk about anything to avoid admitting that his account was NOT hacked by specific people blamed--much less anyone, talk about anything to avoid admitting that Weiner did in fact send photos of himself to young women not his wife, right?
After the careless blaming of someone else for this and insulting anyone who even questioned if Weiner was telling the truth, it just confirms no credibility.
Anything to avoid blaming someone else and then egg on your faces for automatically blaming someone else and taking up for the arrogant little liar.
....and I was right about something else, too......
A BIGGER CAN OF WORMS.
Gotta LOVE IT!
Oh how could I have left out Strom Thurmond, Larry Craig the tapp dancer, I think former vice President Nelson Rockefeller reportedly died working for his errrr mnnn cause she got $50,000 cash & a townhouse on 54 St off 5th ave that would be worth a kool $20 mill or more today.
Lucy Page Mercer Rutherfurd was with FDR when he kicked. Nan Briton claimed to have had warren Hardings daughter and she was supposed to have been one of many mistresses.
I really only take delight when they are such sanctimonious goody two shoes raining on everyone elses parade.
Gee, don't be shy Hay, lemme help you some, starting with maddieathome, dublinbay, epiphyticlvr, fouquieria, maddieathome, and the crew - all satisfactorily met expectation [with unimportant status, lest someone thinks otherwise].
But earlier, I thought his denial of admitting the photo was his was a dead give-away.
Definitely no sanctimonious liberals...........bwahahahahahaha
Another ugly thread with no socially or psychologically redeeming values.
I wonder who will be next anyone placing bets.
Probably repubs turn, kind of how it works.
Okay, Demi, Wiener lied, he lied, he lied, he lied, he lied, he lied!!!!
I said the whole thing was disgusting.
We were discussing Wiener. We weren't discussing Clinton.
It's obvious to me that you delight in your snarky little comments about the Democrats.
My, my, such angry posts from you.
Want to talk hypocrasy ?
Just look to the "family values" LOL, party, the party that wants to legislate bedroom behavior. Long list of sex scandals within the Republican party.
Vitters , from your state took Livingston's place after Livingston had to resign over an adultery scandal.
There is no hypocrisy--we've already discussed them.
That's old news.
THIS is about Weiner.
I can understanding if you were a supporter of Weiner not wanting to discuss his arrogant lies.
It's good to see you admit it.
Did the others all repeatedly lie after they were confronted?
I can't recall, but I don't think so--while arrogantly saying it was someone else? Flat out lies, even calling press conferences to lie? Hmmm?
Have you seen on this forum where any conservatives have wrongfully blamed liberals for acts that conservatives have done? (as in Maddie's obviously biased and baseless insistence that this was all a setup).
This is about Weiner.
I do believe that THIS WEINER IS COOKED!
Sure did chloe, they are just as bad as Clinton and Weiner. btw, what are you saying? Conservatives are worse because they do this family value thing? So, what are liberals a bunch of scumbags with no morals so that makes it ok? What a silly analogy. Our representatives should be of high moral character no matter which side of the aisle they represent. I thought Vitter should resign, and I'd never vote for him again.
demifloyd You think all of those guys avoided lying once they were busted? I doubt it. I don't obsess on their every word, so I wouldn't know for sure, but I really doubt it.
I wonder if all the Republicans bashing weiner and his weiner will vote for Gingrich if he wins the GOP nod next year. Lets wait and see!!
Wow, I am so glad dems never bash any repubs. They can take the high road for sure. Shi**er Vitter?
Demi, I believe Craig, Mr bathroom stall, vigorously denied he was gay and he finished out his term. He repeatedly lied about that.
The thing is that this happens on both sides of the isle and yet, you don't ever miss an opportunity to get in a sanctimonious dig only when it happens on the Democratic side of the isle.
Democrats don't try to legislate private behavior.
Republicans do! So then, when they get caught in these unseemly situations, it just reeks of hypocracy
Only Liberals and Democrats are allowed to bash, don't you know?
I'm not especially surprised here...after Blitzer's interview with him.
So, I'm just curious. Do you feel that Andrew Breitbart is a fair and honorable man?
What do you see on this Democrat and Liberal dominated board every day, chloe?
Palin Bashing, Bush Bashing (years after he's left office) and that's all okay, isn't it? It's real fun for so many!
WE all KNOW how this would play out if it were a Republican Congressman--of course, he'd already been gone by now.
No one is going to hold Weiner to the standard Boehner did, are they? I doubt Nancy Pelosi does.
Liberals and Democrats make the same mistakes and we're supposed to keep our mouths shut?
I DON'T THINK SO!
Buck up and take it, we do everyday.
Mrs and Demi,
your last responses reminds me of my daughter when she got in trouble for a bad grade in high school.
"If you think my grade in geometry was bad,
so and so got an even worse grade"
"Democrats don't try to legislate private behavior.
Republicans do! So then, when they get caught in these unseemly situations, it just reeks of hypocracy"
If he was an anti choice or anti gay rights Dem I would be outside his door with torch and pitchfork, but he is not. IMO liberals understand that people are not perfect, that is why we support choice. We know that everyone is not the same, that is why we support gay rights. If I lived where Weiner does, I would still support him, he is the kind of person who supports women. He knows that we all make mistakes and we're not perfect, so why would I throw him under the bus for being less than perfect? If he broke laws, sure, but that remains to be seen.
* Posted by chloe45 zone 61/2-7 (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 6, 11 at 20:47
Read your post again and tell us are serious about what you just said above:
Just look to the "family values" LOL, party, the party that wants to legislate bedroom behavior. Long list of sex scandals within the Republican party.
Vitters , from your state took Livingston's place after Livingston had to resign over an adultery scandal."
Pot kettle much?
I admit I delight in Weiner's fall for one reason that I have not in anyone else, from either side of the aisle.
And that is that Weiner has been an insufferably arrogant jerk for the several years I've been watching his interviews. He is not respectful and thoughtful like some other Congressmen (Democrats and Republican) and he yells and interrupts and is smarmy.
Additionally, he is a coward because he could have exhibited some semblance of being a real man and owned up to it and told them truth.
Instead--he not only lied, but he BLAMED OTHERS!
I don't know anything about Andrew Breitbart other than what I have heard on this forum, and on the news tonight I saw there is an interview with him, it's on right now--and I only saw a few minutes where he explained how he wound up on the stage before the news conference of Weiner. He said he was in the southwest (I think I heard Arizona?) and got calls that he was being blamed for this and had to defend himself because once it got past a certain point, people would believe the lies no matter if the truth came out later.
I don't know what his website is, don't know anything else about him other than seeing his name referenced a few times.
I imagine I may learn a little more about him in the coming days, but I cannot make a judgment about him because I have no information on him other than that he was accused here on this forum, and by others, of hacking into Weiner's account and "setting up" Weiner and that was obviously a lie. Obviously, he was maligned in this instance.
Has Breitbart apologized to the professors at the University of Missouri?
* Posted by chloe45 zone 61/2-7 (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 6, 11 at 20:29
Forgot that one. :)
"journalists" do not apologize
What do you see on this Democrat and Liberal dominated board every day, chloe?
Your complaints about liberal superiority & domination that what I see. In 35 line or less
I have no problem saying I was dead wrong about Weiner and I did on this thread already or the other one...but I don't plan on holding a press conference or have a mea culpa. So weird the sanctimonious gloating going on here. As Labrea said..."ahh well". It sucks...and really Demi you don't remember a republican lying after getting caught. I mean that is beyond laughable. Nobody mentioned Ensign here...he comes immediately to mind since he is so recent.
So we have a sex scandal here with no sex and no prosecutable offence. Pelosi and the dems have said they will launch an ethics investigation.
"Pelosi and the dems have said they will launch an ethics investigation."
Snort.....I'm not gonna hold my breath on this one.
Sure they will...but watch the Republicans screw that one down. Don't want to set too many precedents on ethics of a sexual nature among congresscritters.
I agree with Lily that this was unacceptable creepy behavior.
Weiner has made many impassioned speeches on the floor of Congress. He has always injected humor along with what appeared to be a genuine concern for the American people. You gotta love that style and that dedication no matter what your party affiliation
Having said that, it now looks like Weiner was spending way too much time and energy sexting women and showing them his schwanz. This took me by surprise and tremendously disappointed me. I just don't know if he can survive this politically and I would hate to be the one advising him.
Nobody is picking on Weiner here. He did this to himself. When asked if there were pictures that were more pornographic out there, he said possibly. Would you want a 40 year old married man sending these pictures to your 21 year old college student daughter? Unsolicited at that! And to find out he has done it to others. Evidently there are also laws against sending porn from ones twitter acct. It's not a family values thing. He wasn't sending these pictures to his girlfriend on the side. He was sending them to girls young enough to be his daughter, and they didn't ask for them. Something a little perverted about that. Why not stand in front of your picture window and expose yourself? Just about the same difference.
Ladies, would you like to join in the fun? If so, I will post my email address...
Vitter step down yet? Oh, I forgot...change of subject it is.
My kids are perfectly capable to handle such a situation, should it ever occur BECAUSE I did not raise uptight wusses. They won't need Breitfart, nor you.
I still haven't seen anyone answer the question. Do these guys leave themselves open to blackmail from people who do not have Americas best interest at heart?
He lied and he should resign; he is not trustworthy.
Yes, I would think he'd be open to blackmail if someone got to him first. Not every one has the balls to call out a blackmailer without giving in.
* Posted by maddie_athome (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 7, 11 at 8:38
No--Constantly referring to Vitter instead of explaining Weiner is the kind of post that is changing the subject.
We have already discussed Vitter ad nauseum, but I see your obsession with a senator from another country continues, Maddie. Passing that along, as well?
Vitter has not sent unsolicited photos and of his naked self and salacious messages to multiple women he does not know and does not know if they are of age or not as Weiner has, Vitter has not that blamed other people for his disgusting behavior, and Vitter has not called the news media into his office and specifically lied about behavior and blamed others. Vitter does not scream and yell in interviews, as far as I have seen and Vitter is not as smarmy as Weiner, so Vitter just doesn't get on my nerves like that arrogant little twit Weiner. Another Democrat in the same position, and I'd still be disappointed and disgusted, but I wouldn't feel like "they got what they deserved." Weiner does deserve it. Talk about stupid--they're all stupid if they do these things.
Is Vitter an angel? Of course not. I'd rather have a Senator whose name does not show up on a list of a madam.
With choices between voting for Vitter and a Democrat who I know will vote against the best interests of this country, I most definitely will take Vitter.
Vitter has been the subject of ridicule and his actions have been discussed and derided on this forum. Guess what--it's WEINER'S TURN ON THE SPIT!
For all we know, the Democratic candidate running against anyone with this type of "history" could be another......
I appreciate those of you who admitted your negative posts about those that questioned Weiner's veracity were off base and that you were taken in by his lies.
I never was, but then, I can spot liars pretty well, and I can also spot those who falsely believe their best defense is a good offense.
My experience is that when those without a defense are cornered, they try offense--"it was a setup."
I could tell he was lying from the git-go. And the blackmail issues bothered me, too. Not only the lies but the sheer stupidity would rule out any respect and credibility for me.
And the hypocrisy makes me cringe everytime: e.g. Gingrich having converted to Catholicism and claiming "family values" and wanting to put America back on the "right path" again, ad nauseum.
Ralph Reed is scary, too....
Maddie...were you in the Navy? Such colorful language!
"Would you want a 40 year old married man sending these pictures to your 21 year old college student daughter?"
No. Mr. Weiner doesn't either. How's this for projection?
"Sadly, the Internet is the predator's venue of choice today. We need to update our strategies and our laws to stop these offenders who are a mere click away from our children." ' Anthony Weiner
"Do these guys leave themselves open to blackmail from people who do not have Americas best interest at heart?"
No doubt about it. This time it was Breitbart with the embarrassing information, and fortunately for us all he wanted was an apology.
No telling what information Weiner might have traded with our enemies to keep his secret. He played the victim and told lie after lie for ten days, and was so good at it that our liberal friends here were completely blindsided. If he doesn't resign, I hope the Democrat leadership will have the good sense to limit his access to sensitive information. He's a man with obvious "issues," and seems rather unfit for the office he holds.
Here is a link that might be useful: Keeping the Internet Devoid of Sexual Predators
He is perfectly fit to be a politician. If his constituents continue to vote him into office, what are you going to do? Unfortunately he is a flawed human being representing flawed human beings in a flawed political system rife with graft and other indefensible activities, both personal and institutional.
Poor man must not be getting much sleep lately. The first thing I do each day is open up the internet to see what terrible thing has happened while I sleep.
Can you just imagine the trepidation he must be experiencing as he went to Google News first thing this morning, praying that he won't be seeing another picture of himself.
Poor fella. I actually do feel sorry for him.
"and was so good at it that our liberal friends here were completely blindsided."
That happens alot when you don't live in the real world.
"Poor fella. I actually do feel sorry for him."
Why? He did this to himself and because of that he has no one to blame but himself.
"I hope the Democrat leadership will have the good sense to limit his access to sensitive information."
Indeed...he's a quality candidate for blackmail. We couldn't and shouldn't have to worry about a BOHICA moment with this loser.
Let's see if Nancy will drain that swamp.
Speaker Boehner had Chris Lee resign immediately.
The ball is in your court, Miss Nancy.
What WAS he thinking. That's the reason I would never support Weiner and the Dems are NOT standing up for him. It was smarmy behavior, and I jumped right in condemning it as of course did all the Righties on here. My problem is , they do NOT jump in and castigate their own but say..well , he didn't stoop to that level. Fair is fair.
So many of you with moral authority. How nice for you. Andrew Breitbart has well earned the "set-up" theory.
I don't think Weiner is going to survive this, especially if there is more that is coming out.
Maddie, the fact he lied about it bothers me too but his lack of judgment is the larger issue to me.
Personally, unless he broke a law, his political future should be determined by his constituents.
One thing I don't understand is how anyone can take take delight when these types of issues are exposed, disgust, anger, head shaking, fine but some seem to actually delight in having the other guys, guy, exposed.....so to speak.
When I heard him explain why he lied, I laughed. I have accidently posted something on one site when I meant it for another site and it took me a second to catch what I did. It wasn't anything dirty but it was embarrassing nonetheless.
"I still find it hilarious that in a nation that comes 3rd (worldwide) in the porn and sex trade, someone has to apologise for a pic of his clad boner. "
Yeah, but we also live in a country where most of the men have to pretend that they are not ever, at all interested in porn/dirty pics because their wives are so sensitive. Its a big game of pretend and a lot of those people have been playing for a looooong time.
Chase--ditto on your post!
Kady--totally. It's not only a game of pretend but also the neuter game. "Sensitive" is a kind term actually--from what I get, watching some of those poor husbands IRL...hostage, anyone?
Posted by chase z6 (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 7, 11 at 11:51
So, you don't understand Maddie's delight in bringing up Vitter constantly four almost four years?
"Kady--totally. It's not only a game of pretend but also the neuter game. "Sensitive" is a kind term actually--from what I get, watching some of those poor husbands IRL...hostage, anyone?"
I actually typed a different word, but took it back :P
I take great delight when Chris lee was exposed a he was always a rantin and ravin about the homo crowd & what he was looking for passable trans people & cross dressers. Whats not to delight in the man is my enemy. I delighted when Osama was killed & any one else I perceive as an enemy I'm never beside the point you screw with me or mine I want you screwed 2 times harder,
I'm not an independent or a liberal I'm quite partisan and as hay pointed out see the ugly in many things and have no problem posting it. Why be coy or feign civility.
I don't even think we had an John Ensign post.
"One thing I don't understand is how anyone can take take delight when these types of issues are exposed, disgust, anger, head shaking, fine but some seem to actually delight in having the other guys, guy, exposed.....so to speak."
I said what I thought.....I also don't understand the need of some to be right ALL the time.
Demi, take your personal feud out in back where you can duke it out to your heart's content. The rest of us are not interested in your personal problems.
* Posted by dublinbay z6 KS (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 7, 11 at 12:32
Kate, I have no personal problems.
Maddie makes comments to me, referencing me and telling me to publicly demand something, and telling me "THEN" I "can open my mouth again"--she's getting a response.
That's all it would take to shut it down.
Talk to Maddie.
Dan Savage on his Slog wrote & I agree.
"A reporter asks if Weiner was drinking or using drugs, if he has a problem because only a man who has a drinking problem or a drug problem could get caught up in something like this. Do reporters know what men are like? (And lots of women too?) This desire to pathologize behavior that isn't sick that is, indeed, very common and human and completely and instantly understandable is itself pathological. Weiner does not have a problem. He has a computer. The whole world has Weiner's problem: same old horniness, brand new box."
(I think Dan should speak for himself there but it is a very big & growing phenomenon.) Bette Middler a few yeasr back said that she was worried that we we're rapidly becoming a nation of 1 handed typists in one of her skits.
Between Xtube, Face book, craigs list, skype, twitter, & the hundreds of free sex chat websites out there & sex blogs & tumbler sites this is a daily routine now for hundreds of thousands of people daily. It crosses into compulsion when people start missing work, appointments & start neglecting their lives to engage in this growing phenomenon.
On another blog someone posted that a futore presidential candidate instead of asking di he or she ever inhale may be asked if they ever sexted or showed their junk on a chat site.
Yet again, Dan nails it. The whole world has a Weiner problem eh?
The outcome depends on what you make of it.
"Let's see if Nancy will drain that swamp."
She claimed that she was going to do exactly that a few years back. And did nothing.
Look for her to repeat the same behavior again.
Well, this scenario may be the new world, but if people didn't spend hours every night or day to type or send photos with one hand and do God knows what with the other, we'd be a more productive nation.
Believe it or not, there are those of us who have healthy sex lives that do not feel compelled to watch porn or cheat on our spouses or "sext" or send photos of our private parts or even flirt on a regular basis.
Of course--I don't think for one moment that Weiner's activity had much to do with sexual prowess--I heard something last night a commentator suggesting it was not his fault--it was "high testosterone."
It's high EGO and a power trip, in my opinion--with most all of these men, including Clinton, Arnold, Vitter, and some others.
Our forefathers did the same things, but they didn't have the luxury of doing it all day and/or all night long in air conditioning.
They had to worry about what they were going to eat and where they were going to sleep. Priorities.
When priorities are taken care of by others, there's more time to indulge one's self.
When Democrat Barney Frank, who paid a male prostitute for sex, then brought the prostitute into his own home where prostitution was conducted, then used his influence to get charges reduced against the prostitute, and used his House privilege to waive 33 parking tickets for his prostitute--is forced to resign, then we can maybe talk about Vitter.
I've sent messages before and regretted pushing the send button. The initial pix of a clothed Weiner didn't bother me, but the lying did and the fact there are six women he has on phone relations with as well as more damaging shots of his 'wiener' unclothed. I wouldn't vote for him because who does this when you are an important public person(or anyone for that matter). By all accounts Weiner has a lovely, very well liked refined wife. The Dems are rallying around her and giving her husband the cold shoulder. I don't know how he'll recover. But Vitter is worse as are so many others. .
"When priorities are taken care of by others, there's more time to indulge one's self."
That strikes me as counter intuitive to the issue at hand...so to speak. Quite frankly it makes no sense to me.
Clinton, Arnold, Vitter, and some others...including Weiner, Spitzer and more are not the type to have others take care of priorities. They are high powered, control types, I do think there is a testosterone issue but the ego issue is way larger...so to speak.
Yes some men indulge themselves in porn etc but it isn't because their priorities are being taken care of by someone else....doing what...mowing their lawn? The guy mowing the lawn is doing it too.
It's because they want to.....why I'm not sure, but there are a lot of players, a lot!
The other thing I don't understand is the need for some to have the last word........
If he was intelligent enough to be in Politics, then his next move should be to say that the picture wasn't really of his thingie. He just had some socks stuffed down in his undies.
why are so many pulled into these tit for tat games with Demi?
Diplaced anger on the part of some??
I agree with pretty much everything Chase has said thus far regarding this issue.
I'm disappointed also - I knew something was not quite right in Weiner's reaction to this story, especially his refusal to allow someone to find out who had hacked into his twitter account. I knew things were not good but I am disappointed that it was as bad as all this.
What is it with our reps and their absurd sense of protected entitlement? As he indulged, did he really think that he could get away with what so many have not gotten away with? Did he not think that one of these girls were going to go public with this...or hold the info for a ransom of some sort?
Clinton enters into the pic because his wife worked for Hillary Clinton when Bill Clinton was president, if I have that story correct. I do agree that this provides a valid twist to the discussion about this whole thing if I'm correct with that info, and would find it interesting to see how it affects his wife's reaction to this, if that information should be revealed. I don't see how it can't touch her reaction to this issue, in some way. I do really feel for her. I don't feel for him.
Will somebody please explain to me why men think that women are excited to get a pic of their sexual organs?
I was in a group of people who were discussing this and the question came up about men who are so hell bound on sending out pics of their sexual organs, as if this will ever have the same effect on a woman as her own pics would have on him.
Somebody needs to re-educate these pic senders about the differences between men and women.
Are so many men really that egotistical and totally dense on this subject? Or is taking a pic of his sexual organs and sending it to a woman and believing that she will be turned on by it - really just part of his own masturbatory process with the internet?
I think he should go.
He shows extremely poor judgement, is self indulgent in a very dangerous way, he knowingly behaves in such a way as to open himself up to blackmail - three issues we mustn't knowingly allow for a representative.
I believe his ego is such that he feels he won't be caught and this opens up a whole can of worms, but that is just opinion.
I say this with the understanding that there are probably a whole boat load of reps there with the same issues. But we now KNOW for a fact that this particular rep has these issues.
And when we know for a fact about the next one (and there will be a next one) then that one needs to go also.
I don't believe that this is an issue that has anything to do with party lines - it's about how ego and power corrupts.
Clinton enters into the pic because his wife worked for Hillary Clinton when Bill Clinton was president, if I have that story correct.
Mylab, Weiner's wife works for Hillary now, not when he was Prez. The only direct connection is that he officiated at their wedding ceremony several years ago so IMO he is not pertinent at all in this story.
If he is that would mean that the rabbi that married Elliot and Silda or the priest that married Arnold and Maria are pertinent in their stories. It is as ridiculous as the made up scenario and dialogue that Demi fantasized about and posted above.
Weiner is a fool. Now he can face the consequences of his actions. My guess, like others have said, his political career is toast and his marriage may be too. The only one he has to blame is himself.
hmmmm, seems a post is missing. I didn't see anything it that would be "against the rules" but perhaps left the poster vulnerable to valid questions...anyhow gone and my bet is "self pulled"
I heard him on the radio this morning. Seems it was "part of a joke". Makes me wonder what the rest of the joke was...
Maybe more than one. Someone mentioned a sailor's mouth.
Here they come.
Here is a link that might be useful: Weiner's women
Epi, I agree - I thought I heard that she worked for Mrs. Clinton during the Clinton presidency but that she doesn't really does remove the Clinton point out of this conversation.
I must have missed the pulled post, but only the admin can do that, right?
Of course more women will come out of the woodwork - even a whole bunch of them who never heard of this man until this particular story broke.
I wonder when Gloria Allred will enter into the picture.
Yeh, yeh.. that was a catty ......but I'm looking for Allred to give a media statement any minute now, with a victim of Weiner's weiner standing by Allred's side with downcast eyes and a sad, exploited expression on her face. Women can be self serving idiots, too.
"The guy mowing the lawn is doing it too." LOL! Chase has such an agile mind...
"If his constituents continue to vote him into office, what are you going to do?"
I'm not sure his constituents will even stand for his finishing the current term. I'm guessing a majority want Weiner and his eponymous weiner gone ASAP.
It's not normal behavior for a 47 year old man to get off on sending pictures of his naked wee wee to multiple young women. It's mind boggling to learn that a member of the US Congress has been engaging in this kind of recklessness for years.
I don't blame Democrats for Weiner's appalling behavior. He's the guilty party. If they let him get away with it though...that's another matter.
Chase - You wrote that whether or not Weiner stays in office will depend on his constituents. One would think so. Not in this case, though, IMO. This has become a media hurricane. Even Charlie Rose and CSPAN have discussed it. That's not a hurricane, that's a tsunami with a 9.0 earthquake with continuing aftershocks. Nancy Pelosi is livid, beyond enraged - we are already in the 2012 election cycle (ridiculous, I know) and she will not tolerate such a tawdry distraction. If this goes to hearings in the House, one way or another everything will come out. There are worse photos and some of his email conversations have already been printed. It's not that he says things that others haven't said. It's who he is, and with that fabulous wife, truly an exceptional woman, who is very much liked and respected. So I think he'll have to resign; the party bosses will force him out, as both parties have done in certain instances in the past.
Epi - according to Huma Abedin's bio, she began working for Hillary Clinton in the White House in 1996, and stayed with Hillary throughout her Senate career. They are probably as close as two women can be. Good that Huma has someone to lean on.
These women are just as scumbaggy as he is...... give me a break they are responding, posting pics....etc like I said the whole thing makes me want to gag.
Maggie and Natal, I didn't mean to be that clever but it was....! LOL
I am very happy to live in a politically boring, economically sound, socially responsible country that every now and then has a big sex scandal....the details of which will come to me, I just need a minute.
My comment was in response to this comment of yours.
Exactly what priorities are being taken care of by others so they can go do "whatever" on the internet or something else?
Getting their lawns cut, having their aides take care of their emails, sending the "hired help" out for groceries.
The idiots that do this are not all sitting at home waiting for someone else to take responsibility for their priorities.......not by a long shot.
They are just as likely to be the men that have created all the wealth by exercising personal responsibility! The well established the back bone of American society.
This crap is not bound by class, education, position , wealth, poverty, social status.....it's bound by a personal choice, driven by lord knows what.
I know you will never explain your comment.....not your style.
Posted by chase z6 (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 7, 11 at 16:22
What do you mean it's not my style? I'm excoriated for explaining myself TOO MUCH, Chase.
I will divulge the secret to what I meant, Chase:
Here it is, are you ready?
What I meant by that statement is that other people are now taking care of tasks that people used to have to perform themselves, so people have more free time.
You know--as in plowing the back forty, bringing in the water, cooking the lye for soap, shoeing the horses, milking the cows, minding the children, cleaning the house, and yes...mowing the lawn.
We aren't all responsible for every aspect of our lives like we used to be--other people, and technology, take care of many of our priorities so we have more free time--more free time to let lascivious thoughts cross our minds if we are so inclined, and more time to indulge them, and with the internet, more anonymity.
THAT is what I meant.
That is ALL I meant.
What conspiracy theorists!
It's not all a "vast right wing conspiracy," as Hillary said about the accusations about her philandering husband, the President.
Neither are my comments.
I think other indiscretions are coming out right and left and he won't survive this.
Sable, I forgot that she started back then as an intern but I thought she went elsewhere and then came back. I could be wrong. In any case, I still don't understand how this makes Bill Clinton pertinent to this story and especially why some immediately assumed that Bill Clinton coached Weiner on infidelity. Weiner and Huma didn't get engaged until 2009 and didn't marry until 2010 so what does her early career with or without Hillary have to do with anything at all?
It is well known they are close and work well together and I am sure Hillary will be supportive as many of her colleagues and friends will be.
"We aren't all responsible for every aspect of our lives like we used to be--other people, and technology, take care of many of our priorities so we have more free time--more free time to let lascivious thoughts cross our minds if we are so inclined, and more time to indulge them, and with the internet, more anonymity. "
Amazing.....just because you don't have to plow the back forty means that you have spare time to dapple in pornography and on line sexual play dates?
You live in a different world than I. Most people I know are working long hours, sometime multiple jobs, just to keep their heads above water and ensure the best they can for their family.
Most I know have much less free time than ever before. Even if they do have spare time, to suggest that they use it that time to let lascivious thoughts cross their minds is beyond ludicrous.
Nothing more to say...no point....
It's them anecdotes agin:When I moved into a quite Surrey village, alone, I was welcomed by the lady next door. Within days I had offers of sympathy and furniture, within a month I had to justify why I was alone to get my newspaper, within a year I had to fend off accusations of shagging everything in a skirt. The whole village was greased by gossip making my life way more interesting than it actually was. I am convinced that this forum thrives not on topics that may be considered hot because they are current but hot because we can gossip about people we don't know and then gossip about fellow posters imagining the worst about what we don't know.
Try to get a discussion started about a topic that has a religious context or anything more serious than Sarah Palin and good luck but put a euphemism for a penis in the title and we can gossip about it for ever or until someone is excoriated and then gossip about that.
Epi - I don't recall reading about Bill C. influencing Anthony W., but probably that was an attempt at humor? Leaving aside that innuendo, don't you think it's probable that the four of them became good friends? Last summer, when I read about their marriage (Huma in that dress!) and noted that BC conducted the ceremony, I just assumed that this was the case.
Huma and Hillary are so close it was reported they were lesbian lovers in the New York rags not long ago. Garbage of course but she is Clinton's "body woman" ie aide de camp.
She is a true beauty.
Isn't it nothing more than a modern day morality play? If we can solve this than we have solved the problem in society...
This story has so many elements and no winners. Did anybody catch Andrwe Breitbart hijacking Weiner's press conference? He demanded an apology and got one, yet he does not apologize to Sherod, ACORN, or the many others he set out to deceitfully ruin. He "lucked" out with Weiner. Is he the hero of this story? The flawless wife in contrast to the other women, politics, power, intrigue...
It is human nature, of course we are fascinated.
"It's not normal behavior for a 47 year old man to get off on sending pictures of his naked wee wee to multiple young women."
Demi, there is absolutely no conspiracy against Weiner, agreed. There was a vast right-wing conspiracy against the Clintons, though. And against Obama now, too (the whole muslim thing, 'nuff said).
You should be proud of the party to which you are most closely affiliated. They run a very efficient smear operation. It is to be commended.
Epi - I don't recall reading about Bill C. influencing Anthony W., but probably that was an attempt at humor?
Humor? Nah, just the pattern of a particular poster who seems obsessed with Clintons infidelity and posts about it whenever she can as witnessed in this thread.
Leaving aside that innuendo, don't you think it's probable that the four of them became good friends? Last summer, when I read about their marriage (Huma in that dress!) and noted that BC conducted the ceremony, I just assumed that this was the case.
It is certainly possible but not necessarily probable. Even if Huma and Hillary are close that doesn't mean that the four of them are good friends or socialize. One of my neighbors always tells the story that Nelson Rockefeller officiated at their wedding back when and DH and I were at a wedding not long ago where Bloomie did the honors. This is not uncommon when you work for one of these high level officials. Neither of those examples were close friends with the pols in their personal lives. I am not sure what Clintons officiating says other than he performed their ceremony and they can tell their kids if they have any that they had the former Pres marry them. Do I think that Hillary and Huma are close? Probably. But that could mean countless things.
With two well connected people like Weiner and Huma it is not surprising that they would be able to have Clinton officiate or that they attended the wedding. But that doesn't mean that they all share their deepest darkest secrets.
I think its funny that the RNC pays for men to party at strip clubs that feature bondage but one guy who never pushes morality in the bedroom slipping up is the worst thing ever. *rolleyes*
I think the liberals throwing him under the bus are the worst though. Good luck finding another man who will defend women's rights, who will defend gay rights the same way that Weiner does. This is between him and his wife. He doesn't owe an explanation for his sex life anymore than you owe some pharmacist an explanation for your BC pills or condoms.
Hahahahaha You have never spent any considerable amount of time in the online dating world have you??? And long time bachelors are very much stuck in their ways.
In any case, I still don't understand how this makes Bill Clinton pertinent to this story and especially why some immediately assumed that Bill Clinton coached Weiner on infidelity
Epi--my comment was sarcasm. Liberals aren't the only ones that use it.
"You live in a different world than I. Most people I know are working long hours, sometime multiple jobs, just to keep their heads above water and ensure the best they can for their family."
Chase, what does my suggestion that perhaps one reason people have time to devote to sending photos of their genitals to women they've never met, and having phone text is that they aren't required to spend as much time meeting their basic needs--have to do with "what world" I live in?
It is conjecture on my part.
I stated my opinion about why so many people are spending time doing this.
I can guarantee you I worked hard, so did my husband, and I still work at other things. But you have to admit, Anthony Weiner had plenty of time to show his Weiner to lots of people.
If he had to plow the back forty, etc. then I'm pretty sure he might not have the luxury of the time to spend his time as he has been spending it.
What about that don't you get?
I agree that it's not normal behavior for a 47 year old man to get off sending picture of his genitals to multiple young women. The fact that lots of people do it makes it what--more normal? More desirable? To whom?
I must admit I have not and would spend any time, much less "a considerable amount of time in the online dating world."
If men are indeed doing this online, what kind of people want to meet that kind of person? How desperate does one have to be for companionship?
BTW, no one has to smear Weiner and no one threw him under the bus.
Weiner CRAWLED under that bus willingly with all fours up just in front of the tires. This is his baby. Lies and all.
Oh yes many liberals are throwing him under the bus. They stand there waiting for men like that to protect their rights and freedoms and then they crap all over him when he too is found to be less than perfect.
And MANY people meet and date online, I met my husband online who was a perfect gentleman. But I also met MANY other men online who were just looking to get laid. Which is how I happen to run across some of these pics. If you talk to them long enough before you actually go out on a date with them you can find out what kind of people they are.
FTR Republicans should be embarrassed to even comment on this considering they belong to a party that hosts worst than what Wiener did.
It's not "good" behavior or "moral" behavior, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it isn't normal! Happens all the time. Middle aged men are kinda perverts sometimes. It's gross.
I'm more upset about the lie than the sending the picture thing. Who cares? It's a picture.
The reason more people get upset when a Republican does this is because they go ON AND ON about family values, while they are living immoral and horribly hypocritical lives.
That is the difference here.
I don't think Weiner is a hypocrite. He is a liar, though. Big shock. A politician a liar. Let's all go to the town square with our pitch forks.
Exactly! It is gross, but there are plenty of women who like the attention from famous men.
"FTR Republicans should be embarrassed to even comment on this considering they belong to a party that hosts worst than what Wiener did."
I'm not a Republican, but do you care to discuss Democrats John Edwards, Presidential Candidate, Congressman Barney Frank, liar under oath Bill Clinton, drowner and boozer Ted Kennedy? That's just off the top of my head.
Both sides do it, kady. No party has the moral high ground, certainly not the Democrats--just consider the egregious wrongs of the men I listed above.
Some of these 'arguments' or whatever they are are ludicrous. Who among us doesn't waste precious time on a daily basis visiting this website and others. Has nothing to do with one's station in life.
"Both sides do it, kady. No party has the moral high ground, certainly not the Democrats--just consider the egregious wrongs of the men I listed above."
I don't belong to a party that legislates morality between consenting adults, so I think it would be pretty stupid for me to get up in arms with Wiener. (lol I just said up in arms with Wiener lol)
For me, I don't care what any of these guys do in the bedroom unless they are breaking the law. The only time I ever find the need to point and mock is if they are trying to legislate morality. I even ignored the whole Arnold Schwarzenegger thing because for a Republican he is not so bad when it comes to gay rights and women's rights. He stays out of mine, I stay out of his.
ARe we really going to start naming people?? And if you're only pointing at Dems...
Here is a link that might be useful: STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA
The only thing that bothers me about this discussion are the multiple posts equating sex with filth.
Humor...sarcasm? IF that was the case it wouldn't have been followed by the many additional references about Clinton and the faux argument and defense of the claim that he is pertinent to this story. He isn't except as a peripheral player. Weiner was an azz all by himself.
Demi, that is quite a statement. I find it off putting that anyone would take delight in the demise of a man, career, relationship and the humiliation of a wife and family. Even if you don't like Weiner. My heart goes out to his parents who buried one son and now they are watching another implode and his wife who only married him last year. To state you find pleasure in other people's pain is heartless and cold. I can't imagine what kind of person could find joy out of other people's adversity and openly state so with such glee. Disturbing.
Disturbing. Uh uh.
I do not delight in the pain his wife suffers, or his family.
I said I delight in his fall--as in his political fall.
His personal pain is collateral damage of his own making.
I have found that we learn from our mistakes, and pain.
This will be a learning, and hopefully, humbling experience for him.
He was one of the most arrogant elected officials I've seen in years, and his lying the last week was the height of arrogance, so yes, I delight in seeing his political fall, absolutely.
On a personal level, no, and definitely my sympathies are with his wife.
Oh this is delightful a rockem sockem forum blowout we could solve the energy crisis for all the methane.
BBOY sex is filth, filth is sex, feather boas are kinky the whole chicken is perverted.
Roll double one more time and yah get a book deal. Ah well I was looking forward to having him as mayor.
"The reason more people get upset when a Republican does this is because they go ON AND ON about family values, while they are living immoral and horribly hypocritical lives."
So lemme get this straight....So.... no one should get upset if a lib exhibits this behavior because they don't go on and on about family values, already live immoral lives, and therefore, they can't be hypocritical?
"That is the difference here."
If you say so........
"I don't think Weiner is a hypocrite."
Sure he is. Current conduct aside, he IS married, isn't he? I'm going to assume that he took an oath to forsake all others.
Furthermore, do you honesty doubt for an instant that he wouldn't have relations with any one of those girls? I don't. He is/was a Cad looking for a place to happen.
"He is a liar, though. Big shock. A politician a liar."
It should be a shock that he's a liar. It IS a shock that he got caught and thought that he could lie even more to get away with it. And then after he got caught, he contacted one of the girls and wanted THEM to lie for him as well. Arrogance and stupidity are a good combination.
Stupid is as stupid does. And stupid did a bunch of stuff here.
And shouldn't we all expect that our Reps and Congress Critters live to a higher standard than has been exhibited?
"So lemme get this straight....So.... no one should get upset if a lib exhibits this behavior because they don't go on and on about family values, already live immoral lives, and therefore, they can't be hypocritical?"
More like they are just as moral as conservatives but they don't try to put on a show and try to legislate morality that even they can't live up to.
And The only thing that bothers me about this discussion are the multiple posts equating sex with filth.
The regressive "concept" of love and sexuality. Sums it up nicely.
No wonder they equate sex with filth--think of children and mules--projecting theirs on everyone else's.
"The regressive "concept" of love and sexuality. Sums it up nicely."
Progressive sex: Sharing pictures of your crotch with women you don't know.
Another progressive "concept" turns out to be nothing but an illusion.
Wow! I wonder if some lady is recording my appearances in manties...
Hmmm...you been turning down any of - I refuse to call them ladies - that kind of women lately?
Not to worry though, Richard...since you ain't hiding anything.
"More like they are just as moral as conservatives but they don't try to put on a show and try to legislate morality that even they can't live up to."
Why don't you Google "Free Love" and get back to me with your results?
"Why don't you Google "Free Love" and get back to me with your results? "
Free love from the sixties? Most of those people are all tea party people now...
"Progressive sex: Sharing pictures of your crotch with women you don't know."
Nope, Conservatives do that too...
Just to finish this thread off Bill Clinton's sex scandal did actually involve sex (in spite of what he said) Weiner's sex scandal on the other hand didn't.
Tap tap tap in the restroom floor. How come you righties weren't all over Craig? And Kady..Whoa..I was die in the wool hippie in the 60's and even more liberal as the years go by. The T-party is a scary bunch of gun toting , bible thumping crowd who Obama rightly pegged in PA in 2008. He was spot on. I liked Anthony Weiner a lot. He stands for everything I do , but his lack of judgement and his lying about it for a week is what bothers me.
"Free love from the sixties? Most of those people are all tea party people now..."
Sorry...they're mostly, if not all of them, Liberal Democrats.
Letterman said last night this was the worst Congressional scandal of the week.
Actually it did if he was masturbating he was having sex the other person just wasn't present or was being a fetishized, object of interest.
Internet addiction or compulsive chat sex, phone sex is a major slippery area for people in 12 step recovery programs.
Whats the problem it's not that it's naughty or disgusting.
If it interferes with work, social connections/relations, family or may endanger legal status. It is a time consumer or killer. I know at least a few hundred people struggling with this problem.
People start lying to others & themselves about the amount of time spent pursuing this, people assume they are speaking to adults when often they have never even asked hey are you old enough to be on here & rationalize that the underage person they are interacting with lied about their age to get into an adult chat site. That won't play in court!
People may stop relating to the genuine relations in their lives to persue more & more outrageous fantasy ones.
Usually the person has an intense amount of what is called toxic shame underlying much of this behavior.
Treatment is only often sought after much pain & humiliation. Electronic voyeurism & exhibitionism is made so easy with hundreds of free websites that are packed daily nationally & internationally & are often monitored by key loggers gathering personal data for these kind of gotcha moments.
reality TV is hardly real and internet sex is even less so.
I know a fairly well known lawyer who has all manner of devices locking his computers & electronic devices to keep him away from this kind of stuff. His friends hold the passwords to net nannies & other programs that lock out all kind of potentially risky sites.
A comment form him is "I am responsible for so many peoples lives & well being & I can't seem so much as to even look at a bathing suit ad without getting triggered."
Triggered someone may be able to persue a normal days work but the thought will come back later in a different form like a lock picker trying to get in. It may take days for the original trigger to build in intensity before it's a demand to satisfy the impulse & seek out internet sex or phone sex. Theres a good book on the subject called in the Shadows of the net.
12 step programs addressing this subject are neutral when people speak about their histories & recovers so as not to trigger other members attending.
The are a number of S programs in the country some insist in sex only in relationship some ask the individual to create their own plan with the aid of a sponsor or support group.
Here is a link that might be useful: SCA 14 Characteristics
"And Kady..Whoa..I was die in the wool hippie in the 60's and even more liberal as the years go by. The T-party is a scary bunch of gun toting , bible thumping crowd who Obama rightly pegged in PA in 2008."
LOL I said "most"
FTR not all Tea party folks are bible thumpers. I actually know more than a few atheist or very non religious tea partiers.
"Sorry...they're mostly, if not all of them, Liberal Democrats. "
Maybe my view is different because I live in Oregon. Even our conservatives seem to be more on the libertairian side of the scale than the Republican side. Many seem to brag about being old hippies.
A little OT food for thought...
"But the similarities are more striking than the differences. To start with, the Tea Partiers have adopted the tactics of the New Left. They go in for street theater, mass rallies, marches and extreme statements that are designed to shock polite society out of its stupor. This mimicry is no accident. Dick Armey, one of the spokesmen for the Tea Party movement, recently praised the methods of Saul Alinsky, the leading tactician of the New Left.
These days the same people who are buying AlinskyÃ¯Â¿Â½s book "Rules for Radicals" on Amazon.com are, according to the companyÃ¯Â¿Â½s software, also buying books like "Liberal Fascism," "Rules for Conservative Radicals," "Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left," and "The Shadow Party: How George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party." Those last two books were written by David Horowitz, who was a leading New Left polemicist in the 1960s and is now a leading polemicist on the right.
But the core commonality is this: Members of both movements believe in what you might call mass innocence. Both movements are built on the assumption that the people are pure and virtuous and that evil is introduced into society by corrupt elites and rotten authority structures. "Man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains," is how Rousseau put it.
Because of this assumption, members of both movements go in big for conspiracy theories. The Ã¯Â¿Â½60s left developed elaborate theories of how world history was being manipulated by shadowy corporatist/imperialist networks Ã¯Â¿Â½ theories that live on in the works of Noam Chomsky. In its short life, the Tea Party movement has developed a dizzying array of conspiracy theories involving the Fed, the F.B.I., the big banks and corporations and black helicopters.
Because of this assumption, members of the Tea Party right, like the members of the New Left, spend a lot of time worrying about being co-opted. They worry that the corrupt forces of the establishment are perpetually trying to infiltrate the purity of their ranks.
Because of this assumption, members of both movements have a problem with authority. Both have a mostly negative agenda: destroy the corrupt structures; defeat the establishment. Like the New Left, the Tea Party movement has no clear set of plans for what to do beyond the golden moment of personal liberation, when the federal leviathan is brought low."
Either way, more in common than would like to be admited. :D Carry on! I am pretty sure I am all Weinered out. lol
Here is a link that might be useful: The Wal-Mart Hippies
Very thought provoking article by David Brooks. Never thought about it in that way. We did take to the streets in the 60's protesting the war, we did hate the establishment. But in my case that's where the similarities end. I am the total antithesis of the TP. I hate most everything they stand for.
kady, very interesting excerpt and valid points, as far as I can see. However, I'm a bit puzzled by the references to the "New Left" as though it exists today. Or if it does, I must confess I have no idea where it is. Perhaps someone can clarify that for me.
I also found the paragraph on differences between the New Left and the Tea Party interesting, to wit--
There are many differences between the New Left and the Tea Partiers. One was on the left, the other is on the right. One was bohemian, the other is bourgeois. One was motivated by war, and the other is motivated by runaway federal spending. One went to Woodstock, the other is more likely to go to Wal-Mart.
However, as has been pointed out here in past threads, what is really fascinating is that the Tea Partiers have taken up Alinsky's radical words as their Bible, whereas everybody else has long ago completely forgotten who Alinsky was and what he might have said.