seed offer: Crunch Sweet Orange sweet pepper

nc_crnNovember 1, 2009

▓▓▒▒░░ THIS OFFER IS GOOD ONLY UNTIL FEB. 1st, 2010 and FOR U.S. RESIDENTS ONLY (sorry) ░░▒▒▓▓

This is a free seed offer for SASE (self-addressed-STAMPED-envelope...search for SASE at www.google.com if you need any more help with that). Email me at pepperdude@live.com and I will Email you back with an address to send your SASE to. The only info you need to give me in the Email that you send me is just a request for me to send you an Email on where to send your SASE. If you have any questions about the peppers ask them in this post rather than Email, please.

All seed requests will be held for a little while and mailed out in bursts every few days-to-week+ depending on volume. There will only be 4-8 seeds of each seed offered depending on demand. I want people to see if they like this, not to help anyone plant a bed of them. It is very easy to save your own seed if you like the pepper.

This offer will stop if the seed supply gets extremely low in order to allow the stragglers to get their SASE's in. If you requested seed early, but wait to too long to get your SASE in I can't help you too much...I only have a certain amount to give away and it's SASE's I care about, not requests. I don't want to keep track of who requested what...I get an envelope with a request, I put seeds in it, I mail it, end of transaction. Speaking of...I am not a business, nor will I sell your address to anyone, nor will I keep or record your address. I just put seeds in envelopes and mail them...very simple.

As far as any items you may want to "tip" me with (do NOT feel obligated by ANY means, seriously)...I would love any seed of low to medium heat non-jalapeno peppers with 3"+ pods or paste tomato seeds. A loose stamp thrown in for those people who send SASE's but "forget" the stamp on the SASE (it always happens) is nice, too. I'm currently and specifically looking for NuMex HERITAGE 6-4 (not the regular NuMex 6-4) seed as well as a very few (2-4 seeds) Diva cucumber seeds. Once again, do NOT feel obligated to tip anything. I am just leading those that may feel the need to tip in the right direction. My main goal is to get this seed out in the wild and see how people like it.

As long as tips are mentioned I guess I can offer up some Chimayo anaheim pepper seeds if you want to stretch your 2-stamps and 2-envelopes investment further. Note: These peppers are thin walled and VERY seedy. It is well beyond the level of seeds in the types of anaheims most of us are used to. It is a great low-medium heat drying/powder/etc. pepper, though. If you want some of these seed I can offer them on request and package them in the same SASE as the sweet pepper offer. Request this by written note included with your SASE, not in Email.

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This offer is for a sweet pepper I've been breeding a number of years (6th generation/5th generation offspring). There's nothing super-special about it. It's just good for what it is and honestly, there's not a lot out there this size with this quality of sweetness that you can grow from seed. I've selected out certain traits I like over the years and this is the end result (so far). For further explanation see the stuff below...

Crunch Sweet Orange pepper... The pepper is a cross between a plant grown from the seed of a medium-length/thin-walled orange frying pepper from Trader Joe's supermarket (female flower) and a friend's 3"-ish thick blocky/blunt-tipped "Romanian sweet pepper" (male pollen). Yes, I know that's a weird start for crossing material, but it's not like it required a lot of money or labor investment to do it. My only real expense was the garden space growing more peppers than I needed...especially in the first few selection generations where things were very variable.

General Qualities: very vigorous growth and fruit set, fruit 2.5"-3.5" long x 1"-1.5" wide, mostly two and three lobed fruits on the same plant, deep orange ripe color, dense/medium-thick walls (appx. 1/5"-1/4"), very small seed cap, very few seeds, noticeable sweetness, fruity (mild apple/citrus), no heat


Crunch Sweet Orange 2-Lobed Fruit


Crunch Sweet Orange 3-Lobed Fruit


Crunch Sweet Orange + Various Anaheim Peppers On A Cutting Board

I selected for many traits, but taste was #1. The "fruity" characteristic was weighed more than the sweetness, though it's still a very sweet pepper. The fruity taste isn't overbearing, but it adds an extra bit of character to the sweetness.

The motivation behind this whole thing is living in an area where specialty sweet peppers are very expensive and you pay $1-$2 for a ripe bell pepper in-season. I like using sweet peppers for cooking and salads (light use in both), but I don't really need a whole bell pepper most of the time. I end up using a single bell for 2-3+ dishes and hope I use it all before it loses it's quality. I wanted a smaller thick-ish walled small pepper who's flavor went beyond simply sweet (too many bells these days taste like pepper-flavored sugar water, imo).

I started playing with pepper breeding and at one time had 3 experiments going (I abandoned 1 after the 1st cross and 1 other only lasted 2 grow-outs before it was deemed a dead end because of lack of plant vigor).

The one I've stuck to the longest has had nice results on whole. It could use some work on the fruit lobe variability thing, but it seems to be very stable in taste and wall thickness. Those are the 2 main characteristics I am aiming for. 3-4" fruits would be nicer than 2.5-3.5" fruits, too. I'll leave it to whomever else wants to grow and keep growing this seed line to select their own lineage from here. This spring I'm reclaiming my garden and only 2 of these are going into my beds...it's really all I need.

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sandpebbles(7)

hi nc-crn,
i just sent you an e-mail. i'd love to try growing these. thank you.

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vic01(z4MN)

I sent you an email, would like to try these. Thanks.

Jackie

    Bookmark   November 2, 2009 at 8:47AM
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zanderspice

Sending email... This sounds perfect for my Mom's garden. It looks great and the small seed cap is a definite plus. Thanks!

    Bookmark   November 2, 2009 at 1:37PM
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gymnmore(z8, LA)

Sending you an e-mail. Thanks for the generous offer !
~ Judy

    Bookmark   November 2, 2009 at 6:42PM
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sfmathews(7B/8A)

Request sent, thanks a bunch!
Susan

    Bookmark   November 4, 2009 at 1:41PM
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madmacabre

request sent, Really excited!

    Bookmark   November 4, 2009 at 3:24PM
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austinnhanasmom(5 CO)

request sent - thanks

    Bookmark   November 4, 2009 at 6:05PM
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hoagc(5 NW Ohio)

Request sent...Thanks, can't wait to see how they turn out!

    Bookmark   November 4, 2009 at 10:36PM
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jesse_2008(ZONE 10)

Sent you an E-Mail, Thanks for the offer

    Bookmark   November 5, 2009 at 9:38AM
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nc_crn

I'm already receiving my first batch of SASE's and should be mailing them off this weekend.

I'd also like to say "sorry" about the initial note for the offer sounding so sterile and business-like. It's just something I'm used to doing in order to make sure I can manage all the envelopes and requests without it becoming a hassle. It's a little dry and to-the-point, I know.

Mailings will trickle out on my end as I receive enough envelopes to make a trip to the post office worthwhile.

Thanks again for the interest and good luck growing it out.

    Bookmark   November 5, 2009 at 4:05PM
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nc_crn

First round of mailings going out tomorrow afternoon...12 in case anyone's wondering. There's still a decent amount of seed left.

    Bookmark   November 9, 2009 at 2:32AM
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snowmanaxp(7b NC)

I've been waiting for this offer. You are very kind to do this.

    Bookmark   November 10, 2009 at 9:21PM
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rick_in_va(7 VA)

I don't understand why your photo has John Fiedler's copyright tag on it. You described this as a variety you developed by cross breeding. Why would you use John's photo? This is a very strange post.

Rick

    Bookmark   November 10, 2009 at 11:31PM
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nc_crn

John took the picture for me this summer...he was nice enough to trial a plant for me. I wish he had a better season all-around, not just with my peppers. It was a horrible season for the people in the NE.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2009 at 12:06AM
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nc_crn

cleared up more in this thread...with the original pic.

Here is a link that might be useful: older gardenweb thread

    Bookmark   November 11, 2009 at 12:08AM
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rick_in_va(7 VA)

My apologies, I had not seen the earlier thread. In that case, I would like to send you a SASE. Rick

    Bookmark   November 11, 2009 at 2:36AM
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rick_in_va(7 VA)

P.S. John I hope you are doing well, and will give it another try next Spring. If there are any seeds you need, please email me.

Best regards - Rick

    Bookmark   November 12, 2009 at 12:02AM
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snowmanaxp(7b NC)

I have a question about the size of the plant itself. Is it compact\bushy\tall\short\etc?

I'm asking because I would like to know if I should plant it in the front row or back row of my garden?

    Bookmark   November 12, 2009 at 12:31PM
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nc_crn

It's one of the larger pepper plants I've grown, both in height and bushiness, but it's not prone to tipping over with full fruit set.

It's growth habit is similar to large anaheim-type pepper plants in height (a little taller by 6" or so than most), but it is a bit wider than most anaheims. Given that the plants don't tip much under weight, though, it kind of evens out in it's width compared to a fruit-weighted anaheim unless you tie/stake up your anaheims.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2009 at 12:57PM
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nc_crn

Gwaaaah.

Sorry to everyone expecting packages this week. Luckily it's still way before growing season.

I put a bunch of packages into my out-box at work last Monday and low-and-behold...they didn't send it out because it's non-company mail. Sigh...

Anyway, they're in the mail now...along with "round 2" that I packaged up this weekend.

This brings up to 32 packages out (total) and there's still a good amount of seed left.

Thanks everyone.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2009 at 3:52PM
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sfmathews(7B/8A)

Thanks for the update on the mailing. Can't wait to get mine! :D

    Bookmark   November 18, 2009 at 2:27PM
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austinnhanasmom(5 CO)

THANKS for the seeds - can't wait to grow these -

My family will love them!!

    Bookmark   November 19, 2009 at 6:06PM
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jjs7741(Greenville, SC 7)

Seeds arrived today. Thanks!!

jacob

    Bookmark   November 19, 2009 at 8:40PM
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milehighgirl(CO USDA 5B/Sunset 2B)

Got mine yesterday. Thank you!!!

Can't wait for spring!!!!

    Bookmark   November 20, 2009 at 10:12AM
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crazy_about_life

nc-crn,

Just sent you an email. I would love to try some of your peppers!

Karen

    Bookmark   November 20, 2009 at 4:25PM
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hoagc(5 NW Ohio)

Mine showed up today. Thanks!! I'm already itching for spring!

    Bookmark   November 20, 2009 at 11:48PM
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ilikeyspicy

Mailed you!

    Bookmark   November 21, 2009 at 5:17PM
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teauteau(KC5/6)

I would like to have some of your seeds.
thx!

    Bookmark   November 22, 2009 at 11:38PM
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sfmathews(7B/8A)

Thanks much, I received mine last Friday!
Susan

    Bookmark   November 23, 2009 at 1:03PM
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dusty314(7 TX)

Hi, Newbie here, Do you still have some seeds left? I will email you. Thank you,
Dusty314

    Bookmark   November 28, 2009 at 12:39PM
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nc_crn

I still have a good amount of seed left. On Monday "round 3" of mailings will be going out (they were posted today, but I imagine they won't be dealt with until Monday).

46 mailings so far and the seed supply is still in good shape. The peppers themselves "only" produce 15-25 seeds that are fully mature (aka, not tiny or underdeveloped), but I collected enough to do 110-120 mailings.

    Bookmark   November 28, 2009 at 6:02PM
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nc_crn

Also, thanks for the seed and stamps people have been seeding. I've picked up quite a bit of interesting and wanted varieties.

...and to those that have sent stamps as tips, 2 people who forgot to stamp their envelope got "bailed out" by the tip stamps. There's no need for them to get another stamp involved to mail me one. The system works! hehe... It always happens and it's just fine that it does.

I hope everyone has good luck germinating and growing the seeds I sent. They're fresh from this year's harvest July-Sept.

    Bookmark   November 28, 2009 at 6:07PM
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snowmanaxp(7b NC)

Thanks for this offer. I received my seeds today

    Bookmark   December 1, 2009 at 9:49PM
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vic01(z4MN)

I'm still waiting for my seeds. Hope they arrive soon. Jackie

    Bookmark   December 2, 2009 at 7:03AM
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nc_crn

If you don't get your seeds I'll send more. That's another place the extra stamps come into play.

I've done trades in the past similar to the one I've set up here and 1/2 to 3/4 of the stamps I receive as tips go into making up for "postal occurrences" and people who just forgot to throw a stamp on their SASE.

As far as seed supply goes, even if I run out of seed for the offer I still have a personal supply of 50-60+ seeds set aside. It won't hurt at all to dip into that a few times if needed. Right now the seed supply is still very high.

    Bookmark   December 2, 2009 at 7:31AM
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tsheets(5)

I'm hoping I have an envelop waiting for me one day this week. :-)

    Bookmark   December 2, 2009 at 10:19AM
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naturegirl236(8 NC)

I received my seeds yesterday. Thanks so much! Looking forward to sowing them in the spring. :)

    Bookmark   December 2, 2009 at 9:54PM
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buzz53

Yippie! The seeds arrived today! Thank you very much for making this seed offer. 8-)

    Bookmark   December 3, 2009 at 6:05PM
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vic01(z4MN)

nc-crn, I was going to let you know they still haven't arrived but may be delayed in the mail somewhere.

Jackie

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 7:55AM
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nc_crn

It is absolutely no problem to re-send seed to anyone who doesn't get their seed.

I've had to kick in stamps on a few people who sent insufficient or no postage on their SASE, but I've also received a small excess of stamps to cover for these "postal issues" too.

Vic01, if you haven't received your seed by middle of next week or so I can go ahead and send another round.

Also to everyone...thanks for making this very smooth so far and thanks to those sharing seed, too.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2009 at 4:13PM
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vic01(z4MN)

The seeds arived yesterday. Thank you very much. Jackie

    Bookmark   December 5, 2009 at 8:28AM
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dem_pa

I will email you.

Don (dem_pa)

    Bookmark   December 8, 2009 at 6:34PM
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vermontkingdom(4a)

an email is on its way. thanks for giving those of us who live in very cold cllimates (northern vermont) some hope for warmer days-

    Bookmark   December 9, 2009 at 8:09AM
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nc_crn

"Round 4" of mailings will go out either Fri/Sat for those who have gotten envelopes to me the past couple weeks.

    Bookmark   December 9, 2009 at 9:26PM
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carsons_mimi(7)

I'm sending you an email re: seed offer. Thanks for the generosity.

    Bookmark   December 9, 2009 at 9:38PM
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dusty314(7 TX)

I received mine today! Thank you very much.

    Bookmark   December 12, 2009 at 7:08PM
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jojox

I got mine yesterday! Thank you so much and I'll let you know how they turn out.

    Bookmark   December 13, 2009 at 1:41PM
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belly_burner(6)

I got my seeds today. Can't wait for January. I'd start them now but have no room to keep them in the house if they take off.
Do they germinate easily?
Thanks!

    Bookmark   December 15, 2009 at 12:09AM
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nc_crn

It's all fresh seed collected this summer/fall. They're no more tricky than most other pepper seeds.

I should be doing another round of mailings out soon. I got a lot of SASE's Fri/Sat/Mon.

    Bookmark   December 15, 2009 at 12:19AM
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jolokster(5)

Just recieved my seeds.Thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Bookmark   December 15, 2009 at 10:30AM
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tsheets(5)

I also received seeds earlier this week! Thank you! I'm really excited to grow them out!

    Bookmark   December 16, 2009 at 10:07AM
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nc_crn

I sent out another batch of mailings. A huge stack of requests rolled in Wed/Thur/Fri so I stuffed and mailed those out yesterday (Friday).

There's still a decent amount of seed left, but I've definitely passed the 1/2 way mark and nearing 2/3rd the way through the supply.

    Bookmark   December 19, 2009 at 3:30AM
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dem_pa

I received my seeds today. Thanks so much.

Don

    Bookmark   December 19, 2009 at 4:17PM
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nc_crn

The next round of mailings will go out after the Xmas rush.

We have mailboxes here AT the postoffice that are over-flowing because of the late season volume. Also, I don't want these seeds laying around for days after the holiday in someone's mailbag in a 20-30 degree truck or whatever.

    Bookmark   December 21, 2009 at 4:39PM
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steveb3(9a-LOL)

I just got bit by the pepper bug and I would also like a few seeds as well, please send me your address and thanks in advance

    Bookmark   December 22, 2009 at 7:46PM
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gardeningharpist17

Hello! I was just wondering if bubble wrap is necessary to keep the seeds from getting crushed in transit. Thanks!

Laura

    Bookmark   December 24, 2009 at 7:42AM
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vermontkingdom(4a)

Dear NC,
I received your seeds this week and thank you very much for sending both kinds. In Vermont, we often talk about real gardeners as having big hearts and obviously you represent that expression very well. You have provided seeds to many grateful gardeners and we are very appreciative.
Merry Christmas and Happy Gardening--
dave

    Bookmark   December 24, 2009 at 1:14PM
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nc_crn

Bubble wrap is not neccessary unless you want sure-thing protection. I package the seeds in a plastic bag then wrap the bag in a semi-thick layer of tissue. This method has worked for me for years without seed damage.

Also, I have 6 envelopes ready to go after the XMas holiday rush has ended. I didn't want to send anything out so close to pre-holiday because of the huge rush and volume of mail at my local post office.

    Bookmark   December 24, 2009 at 3:36PM
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carsons_mimi(7)

NC,

I received my seeds this week. I can't wait to give them a try next spring. Thanks again for your generosity.

Lynn

    Bookmark   December 24, 2009 at 8:32PM
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mrs.b_in_wy(5a WY)

I received these today and am looking forward to warmer weather. Thanks very much.

    Bookmark   January 4, 2010 at 9:58PM
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kathy645(4 VT)

Thank you for the seeds I received today. I am looking forward to planting them this spring--well, maybe a little later here. I appreciate your generosity.
Kathy

    Bookmark   January 4, 2010 at 11:10PM
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nc_crn

It's been a busy week/weekend.

Letters I've received from just after XMas until now will go out sometime this coming week.

    Bookmark   January 10, 2010 at 5:53PM
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marcie_new(z8)

Hope you still have seeds would love to have some Thanks Marcie_new

    Bookmark   January 16, 2010 at 12:59AM
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nc_crn

To everyone who's put an envelope in my mailbox since after Xmas:

Things will be slow going, but you should have your stuff before Feb. starts. I did stuff envelopes this week, but I only sent out 8 envelopes and I have another 15 or so sitting here waiting on me to fill this afternoon.

I'm just unusually busy. Part of the reason I'm ending the offer in Feb. is because I am going to be VERY busy in Feb/Mar.

The deadline is just for requests to my email inbox. If I receive an envelope after I give you a reply you *will* get your seeds even if I recieve your envelope in mid-Feb. or whatever.

    Bookmark   January 16, 2010 at 3:58PM
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canadianchiliehead

Hi, Are there any seeds left??? Let me know so I can send out soon :)

    Bookmark   January 19, 2010 at 2:33PM
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canadianchiliehead

Hi NC,
Ignore my previous post. I just noticed that you are making these available to US residents only :(

Have a good one.

    Bookmark   January 19, 2010 at 2:36PM
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genoprizebull(6 Akron NY)

I can't take it,I'd like to try these.E-mail sent

    Bookmark   January 19, 2010 at 7:45PM
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danasplants(9a)

Hi i think I made it in time maybe thanks Dana

    Bookmark   January 20, 2010 at 2:49PM
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nc_crn

▓▓▒▒░░ SEED OFFER IS OVER ░░▒▒▓▓

As of today (Jan. 22) I have received enough envelopes that push "critical mass" on the availability scale of seed.

I will stop answering email requests over the next day or 2 and start wrapping things up.

As of today I've sent out 92 (wow) mailings and I have another 8-10 sitting at my house. I imagine another dozen or so will be trickling in.

After all this I can honestly say there's a lot of people lurking that don't post. Also, everything went very very smooth.

**IF YOU HAVE NOT RECIEVED SEED BY MID-FEB. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME OR CONTACT ME ON THIS THREAD AND I WILL SEND YOU REPLACEMENT SEED AT NO ADDITIONAL COST/SASE/ETC.**

Thank you, everyone. Thanks a lot for the tips in stamps and the seeds I've received. It is/was a bit of work, but it was worth it. I hope everyone has great luck this spring.

    Bookmark   January 22, 2010 at 3:11PM
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cheeze2002

Hi, I am new to this forum just trying to find new peppers, you can look at my page and tell me if I have any you would like but I dont have many types yet but I have plenty of seeds in the few types I do have.

I see you said reply to this post not email so email me back when you see this if you would and i will send you sase and w/e seeds u what right away.

Thanks for your time hope to hear from you soon.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2010 at 12:08AM
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nc_crn

Cheeze,

I have ended the seed offer as of 4 days ago, but if you give me another week+ to figure out my final seed situation vs. requests I might be able to send you some. It's a supply issue at this point more than a time-limit thing.

After a week+ email me at the addy up there and tell me you're "cheeze from gardenweb" (or whatever) and see if I have any to send.

Sorry, but I can only send what I have.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2010 at 2:34AM
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belly_burner(6)

Just to let you know my 5 CSO seeds germinated and are between 1 to 2" tall. They came up quick, they were planted 2/21.
Thanks!
Erl

    Bookmark   February 26, 2010 at 10:38PM
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jeffinok

picked my first orange crunch today!! very tasty pepper !!
thanks for your hard work making these available to us .
im gonna save seeds from them to see what kind i get next year . thanks again!!

    Bookmark   July 27, 2010 at 9:14PM
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tsheets(5)

Yes!! My garden hasn't really done much this year yet, but, the GF's garden is moving right along and she had one ripe one the other day. It was a great really sweet pepper!

I'm hoping to get a branch bagged up soon to save seeds for future years.

Thanks for sharing the seeds!!

    Bookmark   July 28, 2010 at 10:33AM
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oregonwoodsmoke(5 OR Sunset 1A)

I'm sorry I missed out on this offer (didn't join forum soon enough).

I think it would be appreciated if a few of the people who received free seeds would come and tell us how the peppers are and how the plants grew. (thank you to the people who already did)

I suspect that this would be a good pepper to add to the collection. Congratulations NC-CM for breeding a winner of a new pepper.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2010 at 12:04PM
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ferretbee(5b)

I started 3 plants and they're doing very good. One is a new raised bed square foot garden and the other 2 are in small DIY SWCs. The plants in the SWCs are doing better than the in ground plant. We've gotten several ripe peppers and they are just as advertised. They seem similar to the 'Yummy' peppers I'm also growing, but the fruit and plants are larger and more productive. I really need to get these 2 caged before the upper fruits get heavy:

    Bookmark   August 3, 2010 at 11:12AM
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jojox

Hello,
I grew 4 of these plants this year and 3 were fantastic! The one side of my garden, though, didn't do so well so I was only 3/4. The peppers have great flavor, are a perfect size, and I had a very large harvest.

Unfortunately I didn't keep any of the blooms isolated so I don't have any pure seed to continue for next year.

    Bookmark   October 21, 2010 at 3:39PM
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kentishman

I've just found this thread. These peppers sound great. Has anyone saved some seeds they can share? Either add a post here or email me at tom@ncees.org. Thanks, Tom

    Bookmark   October 22, 2010 at 8:35AM
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austinnhanasmom(5 CO)

I failed to germinate any (UGH) but if I have any seeds left, I'll try again next season, and share OP seeds.

    Bookmark   October 22, 2010 at 9:27AM
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ferretbee(5b)

I wasn't careful enough saving seed either and this year's crop was crossed with a hot pepper. I hope someone has some, I really missed it this year.

I have some Bhut Jolokia seed from NMSU and some other hot peppers to swap.

    Bookmark   November 26, 2011 at 11:51PM
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BigDan1(5 (WI))

I didn't notice this thread was AGED (Sorry Pepperdude).
I too was looking for something a little milder to plant next year.
If anyone has any seeds let me know I can send some Bhut/Carribean Red Habanero in exchange.

    Bookmark   November 27, 2011 at 3:20PM
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nc_crn

I was sick this season so I didn't get to keep the garden size I usually keep, but I do have a -very- limited amount of seed. I've already sourced over 1/2 of it locally.

I have enough for 4-5 mailings of 4-5 seeds. I also have the spare postage from the earlier offer to send it out without a SASE.

I'll hold 2 of these for ferret/bdan for a while. Email me at pepperdude@live.com and be sure to tell me your GardenWeb nickname along with it. I had issues with this past offer making other boards and getting a ton of requests from people who were only hording seed. It wasn't a big deal, but there's not enough to go around this time.

    Bookmark   November 27, 2011 at 5:32PM
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nc_crn

***Out of spare seed for 2011***

I'm still holding a packet for fbee for a little while, but the extra seed outside of that is gone.

    Bookmark   November 29, 2011 at 6:55PM
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orgogal(z5)

Hello - this sounds like a keeper. If anyone has seeds of this pepper to trade - please let me know! Thank you!
Best
Kathy, orgogal

    Bookmark   December 2, 2011 at 9:36PM
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