darcyi and van remsen....how big their first year

beaniebeagleApril 26, 2010

two of my new salvias are darcyi and guaranitica "van remsen'

they can become quite large with age

but my plants are new and i am agonizing over their placement here in zone 6b for their first year. i plan on keeping them in the garage over the winters

approximately how big will they get their first year??

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wardda

I can't tell you much about darcyi because I seem to kill it and for me it never grew particularly big the first year. Van Remsen is another story - how does 7 or 8 feet sound and unable to stand on its own. You will need to ring it with stakes and wire. Last year I tried interplanting it with Mexican Sunflower and that kept them up for awhile. The best result was next to a trellis covered with Cardinal Climber vine. It grabbed a hold of the Van Remsen stems and kept it upright. One out of 4 plants wintered successfully in the garden - 4 for 6 the winter before. Once the last one passes I don't think I will grow it again. All that said it has a very beautiful flower, the biggest I have seen on a guaranitica. Don't expect flowers until August.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2010 at 4:21PM
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beaniebeagle

what zone are you in?

    Bookmark   April 26, 2010 at 5:11PM
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robinmi_gw

Salvia darcyi is very frost hardy once established, but younger plants may not survive a cold winter. But older plants grow to 4 ft tall with a 6 ft. spread after a couple of years, it does spread around! Stunning Salvia!

    Bookmark   April 26, 2010 at 6:37PM
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hybridsage

I cannot address you cold tolerance. If you don't want runners forming plant it w/Rock (underground as well).
We have Rocky limestone out croppings plants there do not
form runners. Plants in Garden soil will.I need to grow
Van Remsen have had no experiemce with that one.
Art

    Bookmark   April 26, 2010 at 8:06PM
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spazzycat_1

I don't grow 'Van Remsen' (it's on the wish list), but I do grow one of its parents (S. 'Brazil') and to prevent flopping, I cut it back by half in May/June of every year. Makes for a much sturdier, less floppy plant. I bet you could do the same with 'Van Remsen'.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2010 at 12:46PM
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wardda

I am on the 7a/6b border, temperatures rarely fall to subzero F. Friends grow Darcyi successfully in this zone. Brazil has never gotten top-heavy here nor has Blue Ensign or Argentina Skies. I guess I could try cutting VR back in June and see what that does.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2010 at 4:08PM
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