Viewing porn in a public place--a right?

tobr24u(z6 RI)July 26, 2012

It seems that more people are viewing porn on their mobile devices in public places such as on airplanes buses and in coffee shops that their has been an outcry to stop it. Seems like this development was not anticipated and no one knows how to deal with it. Certainly if you have the right to guns you have the right to porn, on this we can agree...

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marquest(z5 PA)

Yep I agree. Everybody should be able to exercise their rights wherever, whenever they chose.

I use to travel with my portable DVD. When someone put their little darling beside me and would not tell their little darling not to kick me, put his/her feet on my arm.

I would pull out the DVD player pop in Scarface and turn up the sound without the earphones. When the parents looked over and saw the scene of "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND" They moved their child to the other side and sat next to me. I could relax the rest of the trip.

    Bookmark   July 26, 2012 at 8:53AM
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labrea_gw

Perhaps a rehab for sexual addiction!

    Bookmark   July 26, 2012 at 9:20AM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

When you said "Scarface" I thought it was going to be the violence that was the deterrent. Then the bit of dialog you related made it seem like you were showing a sex scene. So out of an entire sometimes quite violent movie, it was a sexual depiction that was chosen instead of some of the mayhem - the sex being guaranteed to cause offense? If true, that speaks volumes.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 1:07PM
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citywoman2012

There are lots of things we have the "right" to do but not wherever or whenever we choose.

This is what separates us from animals.
If we don't tap into our respect for others, and to surely
care to maintain a moral code of propriety in front of say
families with children then we are failing as human beings.

I think enough is quite enough in some respects.
Porn in public has gone too far.
Keep it home.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 1:31PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

Then there's smoking in public, loud vehicles and industrial pollution.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 1:52PM
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citywoman2012

No comparison...those are health issues.
Porn should be a privacy issue.
If its against the law to strip off naked in public or to
copulate in public why wouldn't one be aware that "sharing"
porn in public is not or shouldn't be acceptable.

I am not a prude I just like to go out into this world and
hope I'm not going to be subjected to others sexual hobbies.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 2:37PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

Guns, Violence, Sex, Whatever anyone chose seems to be the path our society would like. Everybody is about THEIR RIGHTS.

You cannot pick and choose because it is something you like or believe your right is more important than another person's right.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 2:56PM
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steve2416

As long as it doesn't intrude on another persons space, why not? Small, personal screens viewed with earphones are less intrusive than someone yakking on their cellphone, IMO.
I smoke, but never in public, because no one should have to breathe in my fumes.
marquest, I thought your example was funny. Maybe it taught the keeper of the young beast something. Probably not, most are clueless.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 3:19PM
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jodik_gw

1.The inability to think things through to conclusion.
2.The lack of logic and problem solving skills.
3.Blatant disrespect and/or lack of courtesy for others.
4.Moral bankruptcy and lacking ethics.
5.A huge dip in common sense.
What do all those things have in common? They now seem inherent to a greater part of the human race.

If you can't whip out your genitals and show them off in public, why would it be courteous, right, or even legal to walk around showing pornography on a hand held technological device anywhere you happen to be?

As for guns... and here we go again... every state has its own set of laws... and there's no correlation between guns and pornography. They are two totally different things, and do not belong in the same thread. Surely, we have enough gun threads right now to make this issue a non-issue in this thread.

But even so, you wouldn't whip out a gun in Chucky Cheese's and start target shooting, would you? No. So why would you think it's ok to watch pornography on a hand held device in an inappropriate place?

If this issue wasn't part of the thought process when all these devices were invented, then shame on someone... and if it was, then shame on those without the sense or courtesy to wait for an appropriate time and place to view pornography.

You have the right to own a gun but you do not have the right to use it in certain places. The same goes for the use of Ipads, and other viewing technology.

The lack of common sense in the world today simply floors me at times. No wonder so many dumb laws exist on the books... yet the ones that would really make a difference end up lost in space.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 3:36PM
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jlhug

Steve, unless you are backed into a corner, you never know who may be looking over your shoulder. On an airplane, you can see watch what the person in front of you has on their computer between the seats.

Marquest, while I much prefer to fly isolated from my fellow travelers with my nose buried in a book and wearing headphones, I usually take a different tact when seated next to a small child. I engage the child, volunteer to read to him or her, draw pictures, etc. It makes the trip go faster for both of us and gives the parent a break.

I would love to find a way to convince the deaf people in their cars that I don't enjoy listening to and "feeling the beat" of their music as they drive down the road or sit next to me at a traffic light. The lyrics of many of the songs are disgusting. I object to having them "forced down my throat" while I'm trapped at the light. What do people with small children do when their children are subjected to some of those "songs"?

It is a lack of respect for others and common decency that has become pervasive throughout society.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 4:03PM
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jodik_gw

Exactly... part of that "me" thing that's often mentioned... like "I" am the only one in the world that matters. It's gotten to the point of ridiculousness. What are people teaching their children? Or what have these people been taught by their parents?

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 4:36PM
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steve2416

jlhug, good point. My electronic possessions are the PC I'm typing on now (while smoking my pipe) and a pay per minute Trackfone. I wouldn't want my 3 ten year old grandchildren exposed to blatant porn either.
It would be my job to distract them so they weren't looking between the seats on the airplane. They have been taught not to bother other passengers, not get in the way of shopping carts, or run out in the road.
Noise pollution is a blight on all of us, and I have no idea how to control it.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 4:39PM
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jlhug

Sorry, Steve, in my opinion if anyone else, not just children, has even a tiny possibility of seeing porn it is the responsibility of the person in control of the porn to either turn it off or move to a location where NO ONE has a chance of seeing it.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 4:42PM
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steve2416

I'm going to have cataract surgery this Thursday. After that, I'll know how offended I am by someones small screen.
I learned to avert my eyes from blatantly bad scenes I couldn't control many moons ago.
I agree that a responsible person would keep it private. Their music and conversations (especially cursing) should be private too.
You cannot and should not try to legislate good taste, manners, or what goes on in a private dwelling.
Laws, enforced or not, are excessive already.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 5:07PM
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labrea_gw

I must be missing something here as the idea of watching porn usually has an endgame that goes with it.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 5:07PM
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jodik_gw

This is what I keep saying... for a group of people that claim to want less government intrusion and/or smaller governing bodies, we sure do seem to want legislation enacted all over the place that allows us all to be constantly protected from the social ills of our world, by the provision of individual padded rooms, or something...

I don't know, either... when did the world become all about the one, completely forgetting about the many? We have a moral obligation to curtail our public selves for the courtesy of others... and keep our private lives private.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 6:06PM
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jerzeegirl(9)

So out of an entire sometimes quite violent movie, it was a sexual depiction that was chosen instead of some of the mayhem - the sex being guaranteed to cause offense?

Scarface's "little friend" is a sub-machine gun. He says that just before he blows everyone away.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 6:18PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

Marquest, while I much prefer to fly isolated from my fellow travelers with my nose buried in a book and wearing headphones, I usually take a different tact when seated next to a small child. I engage the child, volunteer to read to him or her, draw pictures, etc. It makes the trip go faster for both of us and gives the parent a break.

jlhug, that is very kind of you. My job was stressful and I was on planes 15 - 20 hrs a week. I was not occasionally on a plane for joy ride.

I traveled with my daughter to visit relatives and vacation from the time she was born until college. I always made sure she was entertained, she did not kick the seat in front of her, put her feet on the passenger sitting beside her or any other animal tactics born in a barn acts. What you feel you have to do is what the parents should do. That is the problem with our society they expect the world to raise their children.

Sooo if any of you out there think your little darlings should have run of the airplane and it is the responsibility of the passengers to read, sing, dance, entertain your child in any way don't expect me to be one of your extension of care for your child for a 3-6 hour flight. I will do whatever is necessary to make you realize you are going to have to deal with your child during the flight. If that parent wanted rest they should not have had kids.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 6:25PM
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citywoman2012

jodik our view of moral obligations as applies in public is
right in line.

More legislation is not needed for or on common sense.
More people just need to tap into their own moral code that has been sitting waiting for a vote of renewal.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 7:37PM
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labrea_gw

Since porn is what it is I would also think the idea of viewing it in public also goes along with a particular kind of pathology that by most states laws would have you registered as a level 1 sex offender.

    Bookmark   July 28, 2012 at 8:35PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

Yes, I thought of the machine gun but wasn't sure that was the same dialog and scene.

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 1:31AM
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alexrander

September 23, 1991:By San Francisco Chronicle
snip-
"BERKELEY, CALIF. A Playboy magazine ''read-in'' at a Berkeley restaurant Sunday turned into a high-pitched confrontation between feminists and First Amendment devotees.

The gathering began as a free-speech demonstration against a waitress who told a customer last month not to read Playboy in the restaurant because she felt it was sexist. But after more than 100 people on both sides of the issue squared off outside of Bette's Oceanview Diner, the clash stopped just short of a brawl."

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 3:25AM
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jodik_gw

Freedom of speech is one thing... common courtesy is something else. It's normally courteous to save the reading of a men's magazine for home, just in case some of the photos or cover art is offensive to anyone you might be inadvertently subjecting them to.

Surely, it wouldn't kill someone to wait until they are alone before viewing such things.

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 9:30AM
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citywoman2012

I don't know that I consider "actions" as freedom of
speech now that I am thinking of different scenarios in public.

I think it is as jodik says, common courtesy.

Is it freedom of speech for a couple to make
out in public in front of children and do everything short of the act?
Is that freedom of speech ?
Are "actions" considered freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is not having the right to do any and everything one wants in actions when it offends.

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 1:04PM
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alexrander

Part of the problem is that in modern society, we have very few ways to deal with people who are being extremely obnoxious other than trying to ignore them.

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 1:41PM
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citywoman2012

alexr you are right on that.
If you were to ask someone if they would please close
the porn in front of your 7 yr old gd on a crowded train
would they curse you ....slap you....turn it around and purposely show full view to gd?

It is a sick world out there people....for porn to even be an issue out in public shows the moral decay.

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 3:33PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

Don't you think we as a Society have lost civility, empathy, courteous action in any situation that we feel we have a right.

Abortion.......Women feel is their right. Others think it is their right to say a woman cannot exercise that right.

Gun.........Right to bare arm........Others want gun control.

Pron........Right to read, watch whatever I want where ever I want.......Others I do not want my child or me to see what you want to read or watch.

Rights seem to overflow to what others want. Who is to say which right is right? Is your right more important than my right?

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 3:55PM
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labrea_gw

watching people F**7 in a porn theater is what makes it a porn theater and you can still be arrested for masturbating in such an establishment in many places. The local standards determine what is & isn't acceptable.
Watching people f**6 with head phones on in a public place....is just plain creepy "to me" so what in that case it's creepy to me! It's creepy because it sounds like the qualifications of some recovering sex addicts I associate with. The thrill they receive from the porn is incidental. The thrill is derived from being in public. In public surreptitiously acting out an exhibitionist paraphelia that culture regards as taboo.
I have no problem with nude beaches or public nudity as an artistic expression or free speech expression it's rarely erotic. Even creative erotica need not be pornographic.
The specific designation that it is porn by the poster or the viewer indicates the viewer is accepting that term (pornography) you can't use the I know it when I see it gambit here ( the courts have not determined what is or isn't pornography so it's a matter of free speech in that sense) A belabored one!

Annie Sprinkle challenged us with her 1 woman shows for years on what she called postmodern porn & feminism.
He Public Cervix Announcement where the audience was invited to examine her ermmmn credentials as a PHD sex educator & performance artist.
Way back when I was 20 I saw an exhibition by an Italian artist called "seed bed" a few blocks from here on West Broadway here "High Art" consisted of the artist masturbating for hours on end while speaking from beneath the floor boards graphic fantasies about those walking above him. It was public the police didn't shut it down. Ah well! I digress.

I just figure if people have the need to or desire to watch sexual performances (aka porn in public) that the bring handy wipes with them.

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 4:18PM
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dicot

Viewing porn in public is not 1/100 as annoying to me as listening to bad actresses fake orgasms. Can the law allow viewing but restrict sound? IDK, but whereas I'm on the fence about boobs gone wild bouncing around in public on e-devices, I'm flat out against listening to hardcore porn acts when I'm in public. Or Skrillex or Beiber or Gaga.

Now I'm actually not sure what I'm more against in public, hardcore sex or dubstep? But visual offenses are the lowest on the scale for me, I can handle them far better than olfactory or aural public offenses and no one better be making me taste anything against my will. I can handle touching violations fine in certain music/bar/crowd situations, but others can put me right up in somebody's face and ready to fight.

    Bookmark   July 29, 2012 at 7:14PM
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houseful

Seems like this development was not anticipated and no one knows how to deal with it.

Not anticipated by whom? It certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this would happen. No easy solution, but it will be fun watching the powers that be try to figure it out.

    Bookmark   July 30, 2012 at 1:06AM
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alexrander

labrea, you reminded me that I attended a similar performance art piece by one of Anne Sprinkle's friends, an artist named Frank Moore. As I look back on it now, it was hilarious, but at the time, I think it caused my brain cells to scar.

High art in a wheelchair with lots of moaning- I could paint a better picture but 25 years later I'm just starting to heal from the experience!

    Bookmark   July 30, 2012 at 2:23AM
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jodik_gw

Isn't this the very reason that private or adult materials come wrapped in plain packaging? I think so... it's a matter of privacy and courtesy.

I believe Larry Flynt covered the "freedom of speech" end of pornography... and won before the court system. Pornography can still be printed or filmed. But his magazines were still sold from behind the counters of stores only to age appropriate persons, and were still covered or wrapped accordingly... so others who didn't want to be weren't subjected to them.

One would think this all still applies regardless what form such material takes.

    Bookmark   July 30, 2012 at 6:57AM
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