Canada should require women to cover up

hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)July 16, 2012

...according to a street preacher in Toronto, anyway. He says it's the only way to stop women from sex assaults. That's why (in his words) Muslim women are never sexually assaulted.

Exerpt from his letter below, linky dinky attached.

I wanted to mention that the reason why these sex attacks are continuously happening is because the Canadian laws, which gives too much freedom to women, are the cause of these sex attacks. It has been revealed that every 5 seconds a woman is being sexually assaulted in North America. Women in North America are falling victims of the Democratic Freedom that you they passionly believe in. The reason why a woman gets raped is because of the way she dress. Women dress so provocatively so much that they receive too much attention for themselves and that attention at times leads to death.

If the law enforcements and the Canadian politicians were very serious about solving this problem, they would introduce laws that would make it illegal for women to dress provocatively in the streets. It is true that many people would object to this if that were to happen. and this will definitely create protests and opposition. However by arresting sexual predators is not going to solve the problem because as long women continue to dress like this there will always be perverts and rapist who will continue to remain on the loose.

I am suggesting that Toronto becomes the first City in North America to introduce laws that would make it illegal for women to dress provocatively. If we do this the other cities would follow.

You should take your example from the way Muslim women dress. Why does Muslim women who wear long dress and covers her head aren't targeted for sex attacks? Why is it that Rapists and sexual predators only target women that dress so provocatively? Because Muslim women have nothing to show in regards to her body.

Const. Michael Sanguinetti was right when he said that" women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized."

Here is a link that might be useful: Concerned Protector of Women

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houseful

Muslim women are never assaulted? Ha! I'm guessing they are assaulted 10 times more, but they keep those statistics hidden!

OTOH, I do wonder why some women bother to get dressed at all. What happened to "leaving something to the imagination?"

I do encourage my daughters to dress modestly. I cannot stand the bra-straps-showing trend! They also cannot wear bikinis when there are boys over to swim.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 8:50AM
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inkognito

This guy sure has changed his tune, when he was in Montreal last summer he was suggesting blindfolds for men to alleviate this problem. That didn't work either.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 8:50AM
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althea_gw

Hooray for SlutWalk for addressing this nonsense.

Here is a link that might be useful: slutwalk toronto

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 9:12AM
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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

This guy sure has changed his tune, when he was in Montreal last summer he was suggesting blindfolds for men to alleviate this problem. That didn't work either.

LMAO!

Nutcases on streetcorners...

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 9:12AM
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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

My wife has this little black dress she wears for special occasions. I have to admit, it does do "things" to me. If she would cover more, I wouldn't be the beast she thinks I am. :)

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 9:14AM
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houseful

Althea, that's just as warped as the street preacher!

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 9:27AM
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jodik_gw

No still means no... what you see is not an automatic invitation to allow all sense of personal responsibility and self control to fly out the window. If you can't handle modern individualism, then stay indoors... and stay away from provocative media.

But... blaming the victim has become another mantra... never mind the rapist or person who initiated the assault.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 9:41AM
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althea_gw

Houseful, SlutWalk has become an international movement. They started a year or so ago in response to a Toronto policeman saying pretty much what this minister said about women's dress. There is no reason women shouldn't be able to wear anything they want. Those who attack them are the problem, not clothing.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 10:10AM
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momj47(7A)

You have to be kidding.

Not only are Muslim women assaulted, they are then killed, by the State, because in Muslim countries, it's the woman's fault.

What a tragedy for the millions of women forced to live under such barbaric laws.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 10:26AM
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jodik_gw

I would agree, Mom... how could anyone in their right mind blame the victim? Blame rests squarely upon the shoulders of any attacker... that's simple logic and common sense... or should I say: uncommon.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 10:52AM
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Brushworks Spectacular Finishes(5)

You all just don't like Muslims.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 4:58PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Another SlutWalk supporter here. I like their mantra:

No matter what I wear
No matter what I look like
No matter what my gender expression is
No matter how much, how little or what kind of sex I have
No matter what I've done before
No matter where I come from
No matter how my body has been 'devalued' by others
No matter what I've been called

MY BODY IS NOT AN INSULT.

It's not hard to figure out why rape is not reported and publicized in Muslim countries--when the punishment is death to the woman victim--for letting herself become a victim of male lust.

The male luster (attacker) is NOT punished. He can't help it, after all. Those burkas leave far too much to the male imagination--which is why male lusters cannot stop themselves from raping. So much for leaving it to a rapist's imagination!

Kate

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 5:25PM
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Roughseas

why do so many blame others for their responses & actions?

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 5:25PM
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citywoman2012

That is the most outdated balogna.
Rape is sexual control. 90 year old women don't go out in short shorts and they are raped.

A rapist doesn't need to see short shorts to have his buttons pushed.

Now what I wish was outlawed in public is obscene t-shirts.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 5:31PM
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jodik_gw

I completely concur with Kate... what Kate said.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 6:03PM
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houseful

Aw, CW, I love obscene t-shirts. It's lets me know a persons level of stupidity before they even open their mouth! It's a real time saver!

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 6:06PM
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ingrid_vc(Z10 SoCal)

If rape were the result of lust and desire, this MIGHT make a little sense. It's been proven over and over that rape is a sign of hostility toward the female gender and the need to exert absolute control. Rapists are not normal people and it's not the "normal" things that set them off. These claims by the "preacher" are just so much hogwash, although that subject seems to come up with some regularity. I know quite a few men who are turned off by women who dress in an obviously provocative way, and who prefer women who show a little more class and leave something to the imagination. Of course if a conservatively dressed woman is raped (which of course happens) that would leave nothing for these idiots to rail against.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2012 at 8:33PM
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jodik_gw

That's exactly it... persons who rape and resort to this unwanted aggression are not normal by any stretch of the imagination... it should not matter one bit how any woman, or man for that matter, appears on the outside. No means no. End of story.

The fact that persons of all modes of attire and outer appearance are attacked should teach the lesson more than adequately.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 9:57AM
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woodnymph2_gw

What Ingrid said. This is just another example of how women have been blamed throughout history for the things men do. The Feminist movement did not go far enough, not until this blame the victim mindlessness is abandoned. Rape is rarely about sex; it is about punitive hatred of the victim and desire for total control.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 11:02AM
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patriciae_gw(07)

I love SlutWalk too-everyone has the right to say no no matter what or when.

houseful-what is wrong with bra straps?

Do you have bathing suit rules for the boys as well-some of those leave nothing to the imagination from the speedo to those super loose ones that let it all hang out??

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 1:06PM
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houseful

Bra straps hanging out is tacky.

If a boy showed up at my house in a speedo, I would probably pass out from laughing so hard. THEN once I recovered, I would ask him to put on something else. The trend is loose and very long, and they usually have some underwear type lining anyway.

Now, the kind my distant uncle wore when he came to visit when I was 12 certainly didn't have a lining. My sister and I clearly saw some unidentifiable objects hanging out! We still laugh about it to this day!

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 3:35PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

And in another culture it would be wondered why you were laughing at all, let alone years later.

The ideas of the individual or even the group aren't by definition universal.

Or superior.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 5:05PM
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houseful

It's called a sense of humor, Bboy. You should get one!

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 5:21PM
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labrea_gw

SO many sex hang ups among the complainers & the advertisers.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 5:23PM
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houseful

Teaching modesty means I have a sex hangup? Okee dokee!

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 5:45PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

And I have no sense of humor? Read some of my other posts.

See, what pops into your head isn't the full measure of it.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 9:20PM
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chase_gw

Without a doubt bboy has the best sense of humour of anyone on this forum. Not only do I always get a chuckle from him but it its usually perfectly timed!

    Bookmark   July 17, 2012 at 9:26PM
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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

Actually, I think I can get on board with this man's letter. His logic can be applied to several different situations to reduce th number of crimes that take place all over North America.

For example, if we want to reduce murders and attempted murders, we simply take his letter and substitute in murder instead of sex assault and the reasons for it. Like so:

I wanted to mention that the reason why these murders are continuously happening is because the Canadian laws, which gives too much freedom to men, are the cause of these murders. It has been revealed that every 5 seconds a man is the victim of an attempted murder in North America. Men in North America are falling victims of the Freedom of Speech that you they passionly believe in. The reason why a man gets murdered is because of the way he speaks. Men speak so stupidly so much that they receive too much negative attention for themselves and that attention at times leads to death.

If the law enforcements and the Canadian politicians were very serious about solving this problem, they would introduce laws that would make it illegal for men to speak in the streets. It is true that many people would object to this if that were to happen. and this will definitely create protests and opposition. However by arresting murderers is not going to solve the problem because as long as men continue to open their mouths, there will always be murderers and attempted murderers who will continue to remain on the loose.

I am suggesting that Toronto becomes the first City in North America to introduce laws that would make it illegal for men to speak. If we do this the other cities would follow.

You should take your example from the way mute men speak. Why does mute men who don't say stupid carp aren't targeted for murder? Why is it that murderers only target men that say stupid carp all the time? Because mute men don't piss people off by saying stupid stuff constantly.

Const. Michael Sanguinetti was right when he said that" men should avoid speaking in order not to be victimized."

    Bookmark   July 18, 2012 at 9:50AM
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houseful

This letter would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Over 80% of murders are committed by family and close friends.

It absolutely does not matter what a woman is wearing. However, women need to be careful what kind of situation she allows herself to be in. Jogging alone at night - not a good idea. Find an escort when walking to your car at night, etc. In fact, I had to do that recently and the guy escorting me sort of acted like I was crazy. "This is a really safe neighborhood!" I'm not taking your word for it!

    Bookmark   July 18, 2012 at 10:01AM
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patriciae_gw(07)

houseful-I see-I just dont have the same reaction to undergarments-sort of like seeing a shirt under a sweater doesnt raise my eyebrows. I could point out that seeing your uncles unidentifiable bits seems to have done you no harm. I am amazed that at the age of 12 you were unable to recognize those bits. Someone neglected your education...just a joke-I am sure you knew but I think so many other cultures do a better job with that sort of thing. They dont see bodies as sexual unless that is the intention so there are no naughty bits.

Hamilton-I love your re-creation! perfect.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2012 at 3:38PM
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inkognito

OMG Hg I had no idea this guy was related to my wife. 'tis true that I risk my life whenever I open my mouth. And wasn't it a Sanguinetti that was so nasty to Mozart in that film? Nancy will correct me if I am wrong but I believe a sanguinetti marriage demands an obedient husband.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2012 at 6:03PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

Antonio Salieri?

    Bookmark   July 19, 2012 at 12:51PM
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jodik_gw

What one person finds perfectly acceptable, another has a specific hangup about... while I find partial bits of a matching bra showing to be quite sexy, others would swoon or find it too tacky. I say, if you aren't thrilled with the individuality of someone else, don't look. No one is forcing you to look or comment.

A lot of unique persons are very capable of carrying off certain looks, and they shouldn't have to cover from chin to toe, or change their appearance to suit the whims of another.

If, at 51, I look good in a revealing bathing suit, that's what I shall wear at a beach or pool. If I think it shows of my body and art to advantage, and if I want to dye my hair to match, that's exactly what I shall do. The hangups of others do not affect nor bother me.

Part of America has always had a rather repressive, taboo outlook on sex, or anything having to do with sex or sexuality. It's not a big wonder that so much anger, repression, confusion, and a twisted need for control exist within this realm.

Even if a person isn't quite pulling off the look they're going after, it's really no one's business but their own. The human body is beautiful, in all its many unique forms. Though, why there should exist a need to control what others do, or how they look on the outside is beyond me.

Just what is it, exactly, that gives the few permission to harm others because of their own inner angst regarding the human form? Mode of style or dress are not excuses for lacking self control or poor behavior.

    Bookmark   July 19, 2012 at 4:35PM
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inkognito

"The human body is beautiful, in all its many unique forms."

You may want to tone this down a but Jodi. 'tis true there are some beautiful bodies around, Montreal on a summers day is a feast for the eyes, but (call me selective) some bodies look stuffed, like they have just come from a feast. As for underwear, guess why it is called UNDERwear. Sure I can forgive a pretty girl a lot of leeway in this regard but I draw the line at thongs and as for boys showing Calvin's above their baggy pants beautiful it ain't.

    Bookmark   July 19, 2012 at 5:17PM
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Embothrium(USDA 8 Sunset 5 WA)

>I draw the line at thongsDo you work some tracing paper underneath first?

    Bookmark   July 19, 2012 at 6:02PM
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houseful

Bboy DOES have a sense of humor!

Jodi, I'm in the fitness industry and I absolutely LOVE the human body. That is precisely the reason I don't understand why people do things to themselves or wear things that take away from their natural beauty.

I did mean to say "cousin" not "uncle." But, regardless of what anyone thinks of the human body, no 12-year-old AMERICAN girl wants to see the dangling testicles of a 70-year-old man. ;-)

    Bookmark   July 19, 2012 at 10:14PM
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patriciae_gw(07)

Then dont look? See how easy that is?

We got silly hang ups-underwear? How come no one objects to under shirts? Because we call one a bathing suit it is ok to wear a bra and panties in public-very strange.

    Bookmark   July 20, 2012 at 3:52PM
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houseful

Then don't look? You think we looked intentionally?

I find it strange that you can't seem to let this go. I don't think I am the one with any hangup.

    Bookmark   July 20, 2012 at 3:54PM
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jodik_gw

See, Ink, those are your own opinions... and may not reflect how others feel.

The fact that America has a preconceived notion of what beauty entails can be quite detrimental to others who will never be able to match, or even come close to that notion.

Like I said, if the way someone else is dressed or appears bothers you, turn away. That person may feel good about themselves, and that's what matters.

And if you can't help but look, that's more a reflection on you... because it surely doesn't bother me.

    Bookmark   July 21, 2012 at 9:31AM
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houseful

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that people who wear radical attire (not bra straps) and do radical things to themselves actually do NOT feel good about themselves.

Take a few psychology courses and you'll know what I'm talking about. People with real confidence don't need to draw attention to themselves.

    Bookmark   July 21, 2012 at 9:38AM
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houseful

I also find it tacky to wear pj bottoms and slippers to the grocery store. The lack of self-respect comes through loud and clear on that one.

    Bookmark   July 21, 2012 at 9:50AM
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jodik_gw

I should get all gussied up to go to the local grocery store? Sorry, but I'm after comfort, with my self respect quite fully intact. Again... that reflects more on your judgment of others. I, personally, don't care what others think of me, or how they judge. I don't walk around judging others on appearance, though, so I don't know what that's like.

All that's happening here is judgment, preconception, and personal opinion. And if I feel ok about how I look, that's where it ends. How anyone else feels about it is inconsequential.

I'm not going to the grocery store to pick up a date... I'm going for milk and fruit. And if I want my hair blue, that's my business... not yours.

    Bookmark   July 21, 2012 at 3:33PM
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houseful

All I'm saying is actions send messages. Whether you like it or not, or care or not, they do. Just because you and I have opinions on outer appearance doesn't make your opinion superior to mine.

This whole "judgmental" accusation is so overused, it's pathetic. About half of my family members are pierced, tattooed and colored up. However, they know I how much I love them by the way I treat them.

    Bookmark   July 21, 2012 at 4:17PM
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