Would I be right to consider Baileys Marvel a hardier Haden?

stanofhAugust 9, 2010

Sometimes spelled Hayden-same tree?

Anyway's, my potted B.M. seems to grow considerably faster than Manila-although Manila has a track record of producing sweet fruit here in the east SF bay area.

And what about long term container growing-will they bear in pots? They sure grow lush in them.

Tommorow I can take and post pics-it has a nice red flush of its largest leaves yet @ about 5'. And the trunk is getting some girth for a tree it's size.

It's next to a wall that gets hottest sun all afternoon Hayward Ca. can make.

One important last question-are they alternate bearers?..wouldn't like that..but take what I can get-lol.

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hmhausman(FL 10B)

No idea if anyone has gotten a Bailey's to bear in a pot...but I suspect it is possible. It is a vigorous grower and, at least here in FL, tends to be somewhat anthracnose prone with regard to dimished fruit set. However, the fruit that it does produce is really excellent. In a good year, one of the best. And no, I would not consider it any more or less hardy than Haden.

Harry

    Bookmark   August 9, 2010 at 10:49PM
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mango_kush

there is some debate on whether Baileys Marvel is more cold hardy than other cultivars.

Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.cloudforest.com/cafe/forum/68633.html

    Bookmark   August 9, 2010 at 11:37PM
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mango_kush

more testimonial of Baileys Marvel cold hardiness

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=12163

    Bookmark   August 9, 2010 at 11:47PM
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hmhausman(FL 10B)

Please note, I said "I would not consider BM to be any more or less hardy than Haden." Of course, I am commenting on my personal experience. I have had both trees in my yard sustain, without any indication of damage, 28 degrees for a period long enough to freeze a 1/2 inch thick layer on the top of a nursery pot (2 gallon) half full of water. Now, what happens when it goes down to 24 or lasts longer....I, thankfully, can't say. On the Cloud Forrest thread, the poster seems quite sure that the original BM tree, at the very least, is more cold hardy than others. I am not sure what others he is referring to, or whether Haden is one of the others, but I guess at least some people think it is more cold hardy. I hope to never learn the truth of this from my own experience.

Harry

    Bookmark   August 10, 2010 at 6:47AM
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mango_kush

since mangos have been cultivated for so many generations on six continents, it only makes sense some would be more or less cold hardy. there has been no conclusive study that i know about however, it would be very beneficial for people in 10a.

    Bookmark   August 10, 2010 at 12:35PM
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squam256

The 1958 freeze conclusively proved that certain varieties were more hardy than others:

Here is a link that might be useful: Cold Damage Report, 1958

    Bookmark   August 10, 2010 at 7:58PM
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mango_kush

thats an old report so alot of those cultivars are pretty outdated.

interesting they concluded Keitt is noticeably less cold hardy then Kent

    Bookmark   August 10, 2010 at 8:29PM
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stanofh

Ok-here's the Hayward B.M. Top of a 5'+ tree in a five gallon pot. It didn't drop a leaf all winter.But I have had Manila do that too,so the held breath it wouldnt get root rot or anthrachnose when warm weather(lolwarm weather here is 75f) returned.
The base of the trunk is just about the same as the nursery stake that came with the tree. Its bulkier than Manila at the same height so far. Like i had posted before-below the graft it suckers like crazy. At least 4 times this summer I had to remove sprouts.

    Bookmark   August 11, 2010 at 12:54PM
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mango_kush

where are you located stanofh?

    Bookmark   August 11, 2010 at 1:30PM
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stanofh

In the east San Francisco bay area...warmer than San Fran,but much cooler than the hot central valley summers. In return, ma nature gives us usually freeze free winters while the valley can count on high 20's often in winter. Baileys with its extra hardiness might do great there.

    Bookmark   August 11, 2010 at 6:42PM
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jupiterplants(10/A)

Squam ,
Thanks so much for posting that cold weather report from 1958. As we all know most of the freezing weather occurs right before sunrise. But we did have that freak Christmas freeze of 89. The frost started as the sun was going down. So it does happen !
I will share that article with my gardening friends :)

    Bookmark   August 12, 2010 at 9:27AM
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stanofh

I'm going to be REALLY mad if BM is freakishly hardy through winters..but is waiting for humid 90f weather to fruit!

    Bookmark   August 14, 2010 at 5:27PM
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mango_kush

Mango flowering occurs during the coolest months of the year and upon pollination fruit take 100 -150 days to ripen.

Rain and fungus is often the biggest problem with fruitset during this time

    Bookmark   August 14, 2010 at 7:44PM
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bluepalm

All of my mangos got nuked this year: Glenn, Alphonso, Dot, Keitt, Nam Doc Mai, etc. Next time (hopefully never) we have such horrible cold weather, I am going to run a big-azz sprinkler all night in my yard.
All of my mangos lived but they are damaged. I've noticed that a lot of the mango trees have new growth on limbs that were properly pruned back (because of cold damage), but even where the new limbs are emerging/growing, the interior of those limbs are rotten (the new growth is emerging from the bark/cambium layers). This phenomenon was really evident on my Alphonso. So, I had to do a second round of harsh pruning to remove seemingly good growth from underlying diseased/partially rotten limbs.

    Bookmark   August 14, 2010 at 11:17PM
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mango_kush

overhead spraying is good frost protection.

you should try to plant a baileys marvel, they are excellent mangos and you can tell first hand if its more cold hardy than Keitt (in winters that arent as drastic anyway)

if the bark is exposed on mango trees it becomes susceptible to fungal infection, something similar happened with my Julie

    Bookmark   August 15, 2010 at 11:26AM
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bluepalm

A family member has a Bailey's Marvel. Everyone in my family loves them (except for me). They taste as though they are artificially sweetened to me (saccharin-like).

    Bookmark   August 15, 2010 at 3:47PM
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