Steven Virgadamo determinate indeterminate

StevenVirgadamoMay 1, 2014

Steve Virgadamo looking for help in picking plants. What is the dideerence , growing requirements etc for determinate or indeterminate plants?

Thank you

Steve Virgadamo

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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

There is none, really. With the Indets you will need a good support system ( tall, wide cage or stakes ..) Most Dets are easier to manage, in terms of caging and staking. They both need the same growing conditions and care, otherwise.

In short, Det and Indet refers to certain growing habit in size and , to some extent, fruiting.

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 7:20AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Here you go.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: What is the difference between determinate and indeterminate tomatoes

    Bookmark   May 1, 2014 at 9:47AM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

In that link above, a short paragraph reads as follows:

""They(DETS) stop growing when fruit sets on the terminal or top bud, ripen all their crop at or near the same time (usually over a 2 week period), and then die. """

As far as I know that statement is incorrect. Determinats, some (if not most) live through the end of season and continue fruiting, maybe not as regularly as Indets.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 8:23AM
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missingtheobvious(Blue Ridge 7a)

seysonn, when you start your own site, you can have FAQ which say anything you want them to.

Just think of the time you'll save in not needing to contradict GW's FAQ all the time.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 11:34AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

The statement in the FAQ is correct. It is a broad general statement about the differences between the two types and is well supported by documented research and decades of experience. FAQs by nature are broad general guides not meticulous discussions of all possible variables..

So taking statements out of context just to dispute it only contributes confusion, not information. It is nitpicking.

Determinants, by their nature, set terminal buds on the ends of their branches. That means the branch terminates. It does not continue to grow much less produce. Once the plant sets its last terminal bud the plant begins to slowly die. Since most of the terminal buds will set fruit within a specific period of time they will all ripen within a similar specific period of time. What that time frame is has many variables but in general it ranges from 2-4 weeks.

Whether they live until the "end of the season" all depends on how long your season is. Whether they develop a few new lateral branches later on that may or may not produce fruits depends on many different factors. But in general they don't.

Are there exceptions that happen? Of course but exceptions do not make a general guideline "incorrect".

Dave

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 1:29PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

So taking statements out of context just to dispute it only contributes confusion, not information. It is nitpicking. (Dave)

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Give me a break bro. Here comes the defense team.

I quoted the statement word by work. It says in plain clear English and it does not need anybody's INTERPRETATION.
here it is , once again:

""They(DETS) stop growing when fruit sets on the terminal or top bud, ripen all their crop at or near the same time (usually over a 2 week period), and then die. """

That is plain inaccurate. Tomato is perenial. It won't die, unless harsh cold (Or heat) unfavorable growing conditions kills it.

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 2:35PM
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carolyn137(z4/5 NY)

Hi, I'm Carolyn, and a friend just came to visit and, well, I've just asked her to bind my fingers together so I can't post on this issue at hand any more than what I just posted.

Carolyn, who coordinated the writing of three of the FAQ's here, but not the indet vs det one. The three were How To Start From Seed, How to Prevent Cross Pollination and different Foliage types, which she wrote pretty much herself, so she knows a bit about FAQ's and how they can be sometimes confusing, as she thinks the indet vs det one is, but that one was here when I joined GW way back in 2000 and if you look at her page here it says 2002 but that's b'c there was a computer malfunction so they had to readjust all those times, and posting this so that "someone" might say you lied Carolyn, you joined in 2002 and not 2000. (smile).

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 3:50PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

INdeterminate tomato varieties are perennials but only under the right circumstances/conditions. And those conditions do not exist in the continental US except for the tropical regions of the deep south.

Determinate variety tomatoes are NOT perennials and never have been. They are annuals at best. Even under the ideal growing conditions they will die. They are genetically terminal, set terminal buds, have a genetically terminated lifespan, are genetically "determined" to die, to terminate. See the pattern? Which is part of why they have that label - Determinants.

If they shed fruit on the ground they may re-seed themselves but that doesn't make them perennials.

Geeze - just look it up anywhere. It has been common knowledge among tomato growers for as long as they have existed.

Dave

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 4:57PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sorry Carolyn your post wasn't there when I was writing. You are more restrained than I. (pun intended) :)

Dave

    Bookmark   May 3, 2014 at 5:02PM
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2ajsmama

Steven - have you got some varieties in mind? Have you been looking at seedlings in nurseries or big box stores? If you tell us the names, or if you tell us what you're looking for as far as fruit size, maturity, height of the plant, how much room you have to plant in ground or if you're growing in containers, etc. we can help.

    Bookmark   May 4, 2014 at 7:28AM
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sharonrossy

Nice deflection! Yes Steve, give us an idea of what your space is and growing season, condition, etc.
Sharon

    Bookmark   May 4, 2014 at 3:26PM
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2ajsmama

Just trying to get back on topic - his plant out date is coming up and he has to get plants - esp. if he has to harden them off himself.

(Title may be asking det. vs indet. but he said he needed help picking plants)

    Bookmark   May 4, 2014 at 4:08PM
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StevenVirgadamo

Thank you. I got an answer and seem to have stirred up a bit of banter.

Steven Virgafamo

    Bookmark   May 5, 2014 at 7:29AM
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sharonrossy

So what are you going for?

    Bookmark   May 5, 2014 at 10:25PM
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