Another example of extremist NOAA pseudo-scientists

david52_gwAugust 19, 2011

SYNOPSIS...

A PERSISTENT UPPER LEVEL RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE REMAINS THE DOMINANT

WEATHER FEATURE ACROSS TEXAS. A WEAK DISTURBANCE TRIGGERED SCATTERED

SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ON SATURDAY AND AGAIN SUNDAY...BUT

WIDESPREAD RAIN ONCE AGAIN ELUDED SOUTHEAST TEXAS. THE UPPER LEVEL

RIDGE HAS SUPPRESSED RAIN CHANCES AND BROUGHT INTENSE HEAT TO THE

REGION. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMMUNITIES IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS THAT ARE

SUFFERING RAINFALL DEFICITS BETWEEN 30 AND 35 INCHES SINCE OCTOBER

1ST 2010. THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL TOTAL REPORTED SO FAR IN AUGUST WAS

2.33 INCHES AND THAT OCCURRED IN SOMERVILLE.

THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND COLLEGE STATION HAVE REACHED 100 DEGREES

EVERY DAY IN AUGUST. IT WAS ONLY A YEAR AGO (AUGUST 2010) THAT THE

FOUR PRIMARY CLIMATE SITES RECORDED THEIR WARMEST AVERAGE MONTHLY

TEMPERATURE. THE RECORD WILL BE SHORT LIVED. AUGUST 2011 WILL

CRUSH...SMASH...OBLITERATE...DESTROY AND ANNIHILATE THE PREVIOUS

WARMEST AVERAGE MONTHLY TEMPERATURE BY AT LEAST 2.0 DEGREES AND IN A

FEW LOCATIONS BY 3.0 DEGREES.

THE CITY OF HOUSTON...HOUSTON HOBBY AND COLLEGE STATION ARE

CURRENTLY ENDURING THEIR WARMEST YEAR TO DATE AVERAGE TEMPERATURE IN

WEATHER HISTORY. THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND HOUSTON HOBBY ARE ALSO

REPORTING THEIR DRIEST YEAR TO DATE RAINFALL. COLLEGE STATION AND

GALVESTON ARE REPORTING THEIR SECOND DRIEST YEAR TO DATE RAINFALL.

I dunno if this link will stand, it being the weather statement for the region, the page is likely, as here, to be updated 2X a day.

My point? These guys should be fired, NOAA abolished, because you can see their slanting their reports like Al Gore told them to.

Those prayers didn't seem to work so good

Here is a link that might be useful: link

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jodik_gw

Imagine that... and I thought the fundamentalists had it all under control, what with all the prayers and everything... perhaps Maxter would like to explain the workings behind those prayers, and why Texas, and the entire Midwest, have experienced the warmest year on record... sending quite a few species of flora into death throes due to heat stress. Or... maybe not.

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 3:50PM
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mrskjun(9)

I think we better get our act together. NASA scientist are sending us a warning.

Here is a link that might be useful: Link

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 4:02PM
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dan_staley(5b/SS 2b AHS 6-7)

My point? These guys should be fired, NOAA abolished, because you can see their slanting their reports like Al Gore told them to.

Reality has a well-known lib'rull bias.

Dan

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 5:11PM
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Lena M

No, NASA Did Not Release A Study On Aliens And Global Warming

Fox News covered the paper twice this morning and aired the following on-screen text:

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 5:59PM
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maxter(8b)

Good grief, jodik. Okay, I'll help you out, as you seemed to have missed it in the OP. As mentioned in the OP, a high pressure system is causing the heat wave. Just like in 1980, (and regardless of what you read) local reports say that we haven't reached the 1980 or 1930's level of heat or drought. Just like in 1980, it will take a hurricane to kill the high pressure system, if it continues. What caused the high pressure system? Read this link and pay attention. Yes, this should lead to an active hurricane season with powerful hurricanes...like in 1980. I'm sure most will be screaming about climate changing hurricanes soon enough. Can't wait.

LOL Mrskjun! Good find! :-)

Weather isn't pseudoscience, David. A global climate? Riiiiight.

From NASA scientists in lenams link

"Green" aliens might object to the environmental damage humans have caused on Earth and wipe us out to save the planet. "These scenarios give us reason to limit our growth and reduce our impact on global ecosystems. It would be particularly important for us to limit our emissions of greenhouse gases, since atmospheric composition can be observed from other planets," the authors write.

Here is a link that might be useful: link to NASA for jodik

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 6:07PM
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dan_staley(5b/SS 2b AHS 6-7)

Lena, do you think that 'aliens' link was gullibility or purposeful dissembling - yet again, a pattern - to spam the thread?

Dan

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 6:15PM
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maxter(8b)

They were serious, dan. Otherwise, they would have said "little green men". No, they actually believe that green aliens will destroy mankind due to a few ppm's of CO2. Fascinating!

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 6:38PM
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dan_staley(5b/SS 2b AHS 6-7)

One presumes the person providing the 'NASA scientist' link was duped, judging by the lack of defense of the link.

Dan

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 7:40PM
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Lena M

I'm guessing Mrskjun just forgot to type "LOL".

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 8:15PM
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mrskjun(9)

lenam, read the PDF file, I lol'd a lot. So we are supposed to listen to these guys about anything?

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 8:19PM
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Lena M

And who precisely are "these guys" we are not supposed to listen to?

    Bookmark   August 19, 2011 at 8:24PM
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dan_staley(5b/SS 2b AHS 6-7)

The media, Lena, who dupe their listeners into believing alien stories. That's clearly who mrs is talking about.

Dan

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 8:52AM
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Lena M

THAT must be it.

I couldn't imagine "these people" referred to a single postdoc among the 19,000 people employed by NASA who happened to publish an amusing article.

No one could possibly believe ALL the Faux Noise lies.

Indeed the report is not NASA research. Shawn Domagal-Goldman, the co-author of the paper who works at NASA, wrote yesterday:

This isn't a "NASA report." It's not work funded by NASA, nor is it work supported by NASA in other ways. It was just a fun paper written by a few friends, one of whom happens to have a NASA affiliation.

[...]

Yes, I work at NASA. It's also true that I work at NASA Headquarters. But I am not a civil servant... just a lowly postdoc. More importantly, this paper has nothing to do with my work there. I wasn't funded for it, nor did I spend any of my time at work or any resources provided to me by NASA to participate in this effort. There are at least a hundred more important and urgent things to be done on any given work day than speculate on the different scenarios for contact with alien civilizations... However, in my free time (what precious little I have), I didn't mind working on stuff like this every once in a while. Why? Well, because I'm a geek and stuff like this is fun to think about.

Meanwhile back at Faux Noise:

Here is a link that might be useful: Right-wing media forward conspiracy theory that NASA, NOAA manipulate climate data

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 10:45AM
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jerzeegirl(9)

Meanwhile Faux News sells more advertising from people tuning in and the Guardian sells more newspapers and everybody is happy. Who cares if the article is a satire? As long as it keeps the news outlets in the black and the far right satisfied that the government is screwing them over just like they suspected.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 10:54AM
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david52_gw

You won't convince people who sincerely believe that thousands of world scientists have joined together to perpetuate a tax-raising fraud called global climate change to take away our freedoms.

In a boredom combatting effort, a different country and decades ago, I once wrote a lengthy scientific paper on the growth, health, and over-all well being of farmed fish exposed to pond-side nightclubs and spilled champagne. The paper was surprisingly popular, photocopied and widely distributed among the rural research set.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 11:02AM
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maddie_athome

Snicker.

I've seen this featured on science denier blogs back then, labeled "interesting!" I kid you not.

Here is a link that might be useful: Flying Objects.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 11:20AM
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adoptedbyhounds

Deflection won't work. It is a FACT that a scientist who works at NASA, as well as "colleagues at Pennsylvania State University" wrote that paper. They just didn't write it "for NASA."

One of the possible scenarios these geniuses considered was that space aliens might do a preemptive strike on earthlings in order to save our planet.

These guys missed their calling. They should be writing comic books.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 11:34AM
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shaxhome

They just did. But you took it seriously.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 11:52AM
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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

Lack of humor gene.

I once wrote a major seminar paper on the history of globe making in the English colonies including creative research archival materials and publications. I proved that decades earlier than currently believed, geographical globes were being make outside of Princeton University in the early 18th century at a popular bordello frequented by students of that esteemed university.

I came close to being thrown out of the university for that bit of creativity.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 12:16PM
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steve2416

I love that kind of humor. Just close enough to plausibility to make you scratch your head, then grin. "Onion" humor.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 12:28PM
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dan_staley(5b/SS 2b AHS 6-7)

It is a FACT that a scientist who works at NASA, as well as "colleagues at Pennsylvania State University" wrote that paper.

It may be a FACT on your planet, but not here in reality where humanity lives. Here on our planet, you don't get your own facts.

snicker It was just a fun paper written by a few friends, one of whom happens to have a NASA affiliation.

...Yes, I work at NASA. It's also true that I work at NASA Headquarters. But I am not a civil servant...just a lowly postdoc...But I do admit to making a horrible mistake. It was an honest one, and a naive one...but it was a mistake nonetheless. I should not have listed my affiliation as "NASA Headquarters." I did so because that is my current academic affiliation.

Dan

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 12:39PM
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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

They just did. But you took it seriously.

We could do an informal survey and see who accepts the spoof as fact and if they also like to use WorldNetDaily or Canada Free Press as a source.

Remember those who thought Monbiot's satirical 'confession' re Climategate was a serious admission of guilt?

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 12:42PM
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patriciae_gw(07)

Oh good grief. Aren't scientists allowed a sense of Humour? There is a book on Organic Chemistry that is the Bible of college organic-written by Morrison and Boyd that is full of dumb jokes-the most famous being about Enantiomers-everything has a mirror image-except of course Vampires... hopelessly geeky. So this man is now expected to grovel because he gilded the joke with the fact that he worked for Nasa not realizing the world is filled with humourless tedious people who will snatch at any straw to discredit science?

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 1:12PM
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jerzeegirl(9)

Even corrected information by the person who wrote the article won't put the issue to rest now. Once the faux information enters into the brain of the wingnut, it never can leave - it's one way in there.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 1:18PM
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Lena M

Primary scientific literature sneaks much more humor in than the textbooks get by with.

Acknowledgments crediting John Dewar's & sons, little cartoons hidden in the figures, the first letter of every paragraph spelling out an insult to the competition. Many, many inside jokes.

Therefore we must reject all science and go back to the inerrant word of our Koch overlords.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 3:34PM
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maxter(8b)

What kind of person would fantasize about such an encounter, document it and publish it? Shows where his mind is at. Yes, I watched that same episode of star trek a few weeks ago but my mind never wondered off into CO2 fantasies. Time to clean house at NASA.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 4:01PM
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david52_gw

cool NOAA map of Antarctic ice flows.

Here is a link that might be useful: link to NOAA video site

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 4:55PM
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maxter(8b)

No, not NOAA. A NASA funded research group from the university of cal. showing an animation from data received. Tax payer money at work. What happened to spending that money on space research?

Still, kinda cool. I've seen better.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 5:08PM
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jerzeegirl(9)

What kind of person would fantasize about such an encounter, document it and publish it?

Let's just say I'd rather invite that guy to a dinner party than you.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 6:30PM
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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

I agree, that guy is on my A List. Maxter is on a list managed by certain natural fossil fuel interests.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 6:39PM
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fouquieria(10b)

Reality has a well-known lib'rull bias.

At the last company before I retired there was this young man who was apparently brilliant at what he did. We both worked in IS...I mantained servers and he was a programmer, so I had very little contact with him. The software developers said he was their best programmer by far. The problem was, he had zero people skills. Fortunately I only had to deal with him once or twice. My perception of him was someone with a very "flat" personality who took everything one said either literally and/or personally. Well, I guess for his coworkers who had to work with him daily, it was hell. I think they finally let him go after 10-12 months because of conflicts with coworkers.

So getting back to this post...I get David's original post and understand why and how he phrased it with his title. Reading through the thread, I think most got it too. But there are always going to be those "flat" landers...

-Ron-

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maxter(8b)

I would give his performance a zero. Just another "we can't let "them" know we're here" story with a green bent. Geek? No. Nerd is the word. CO2 is the enemy. With that being said, I'm sure he would be a hit at your parties. :-)

    Bookmark   August 20, 2011 at 7:52PM
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adoptedbyhounds

"It may be a FACT on your planet, but not here in reality where humanity lives. Here on our planet, you don't get your own facts."

My facts come from the author himself. If you wish to dispute them, take it up with him. You can reach him at NASA. Where he works.

    Bookmark   August 21, 2011 at 10:40AM
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dan_staley(5b/SS 2b AHS 6-7)

You can reach him at NASA. Where he works.

I already quoted the passage for you what he does. You may want to read it.

Thaaaaaanks!!!!!!!!!!!! *heart*

Dan

    Bookmark   August 21, 2011 at 11:09AM
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adoptedbyhounds

"I already quoted the passage for you what he does."

Yep. You did. But he still works at NASA.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 8:43PM
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dan_staley(5b/SS 2b AHS 6-7)

He's a postdoc.

That's what he is doing. Postdoc work. He's not a NASA scientist. He could be anywhere. The imprimatur of NASA is not there. He just happens to be doing postdoc work there. Nothing to do with NASA. No there there.

Dan

    Bookmark   August 22, 2011 at 9:30PM
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