Better Boy vs Brandy Boy

hudson___wyJune 20, 2013

The fruit test - - - we planted equal quantity of both plants (10 each) - under equal conditions. These are among the first fruits to ripen but I would have to give "Brandy Boy" a little higher marks for the following reasons:
The fruit is more attractive - larger on average - better tangy flavor - more juice pockets - slightly thinner skin - ripened earlier - slightly more productive - slightly more aggressive heavier stalked plant. If I had room to plant only one variety of the two - I would go with Brandy Boy.

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carolyn137(z4/5 NY)

Just my opinion, but I would find it very hard to compare such different varieties.

Brandy Boy F1 could be compared with Brandywine and Better Boy F1 could be compared with Big Boy F1, both share a common parent, as well as some of the other earliest bred ones such as Ramapo F1, Jet Star F1, Supersonic F1 and Moreton Hybrid,

But whatever works best for you is just fine.

Carolyn

    Bookmark   June 20, 2013 at 9:11AM
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hudson___wy

Hi Carolyn,
I see your point! I am just trying to compare anything I can get to grow in our Wyoming GH and then keep growing the best option until we find something better....that used to be Better Boy (no need to try Big Boy F1 now) and now..... after comparing...... it is Brandy Boy. If I had more variety knowledge I would have approached it differently, I am sure. We are trying several new varieties every year not knowing where it will take us but is a fun journey.

I have no idea how Ramapo F1, Jet Star F1, Supersonic F1 and Moreton Hybrid taste or will tolerate the Wyoming climate but thanks for the suggestions - I will add them to the list. I appreciate the good advice - I am learning good stuff everyday on this gardenweb forum from friends as you!

Heck - I am just a Wyoming cowboy that happens to enjoy growing the best possible tomato in this frigid climate - haha. Oh by the way - if anyone reading this thread is contemplating growing Better Boy or Brandy Boy - I hope the photos I posted will help you decide!

    Bookmark   June 20, 2013 at 12:16PM
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potterhead2(z5b NY)

Hudson,
I made the same comparison three years ago and came to the same conclusion! Love that Brandy Boy!

    Bookmark   June 24, 2013 at 5:00PM
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hudson___wy

I am not changing my mind about the comparison between Brandy Boy and Better Boy - but I am impressed with our Better Boys this year! They are a larger fruit (8-13 oz early on) when compared with previous years and there is nothing like the flavor of a Better Boy when chilled in the refrigerator on a hot summer day! Our Better Boys did not disappoint this year!

All these new hybrids sure does make it difficult to decide which variety to plant - nice problem to have though.

    Bookmark   June 24, 2013 at 7:54PM
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dodge59

"there is nothing like the flavor of a Better Boy when chilled in the refrigerator on a hot summer day!"

Hmmmm, I've read a lot about not putting maters in the fridge as it "Kills the flavor", (Paraphrasing).

I must admit, I've never compared maters that have been in fridge with ones than have not, maybe the fridge makes maters taste bad is "An old wive's tale"?????

I do know that I prefer my mater juice, the colder the better.

I guess I will havta try that with maters and see for myself.

Gary

    Bookmark   June 24, 2013 at 10:36PM
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hudson___wy

Hi Gary - I have read the same thing about chilling tomatoes kills the flavor - haha - but I don't much care about that because I like to eat fresh tomatoes cold and that's just the way it is - whether just on a plate or in a sandwich - they just taste better to me that way and for some reason - especially Better Boy!

I am definitely with you when it comes to tomato juice! To each his own!

This post was edited by Hudson...WY on Mon, Jun 24, 13 at 23:21

    Bookmark   June 24, 2013 at 11:07PM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Definitely, aside from the variety, Brandy boy is the winner in my opinion.

About refrigeration: I do not know if something chemically happens or not but to me all the fruits taste best at room temperature or even slightly warmer. Because, in part, that is how and where they grow. When the fruits are too cold(45F?) they numb the taste sensors in the mouth so you can not get and feel the true taste. Just my personal view.

    Bookmark   June 25, 2013 at 2:17AM
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northernmn(3/4)

Hudson... Please tell us more about the green house set up that is in the picture.
Since you are in zone 3, and have ripe tomatoes now, how long do you have to use supplemental lighting?
When did you start your seeds?
Did you also grow other varieties?
What do you use for a growing medium?
Thanks!

    Bookmark   June 25, 2013 at 8:12AM
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hudson___wy

Seysonn - I know it is odd - but I like Brandy Boy better at room temps and Better Boy chilled - one of those variables that at least doesn't affect the growth of the plant!

Northernmn - We are in similar zones - It took some effort to get tomatoes so early in our zone - but it was fun doing it!
Here is the short story: Planted seeds indoors under lights the last week of January - Moved to unheated GH on March 10th - covered seedlings in GH with frost blankets - kept seedlings above 40 degrees under the frost blanket with light bulbs on a timer at night - removed frost blanket on sunny days.

As the plants grew, we had to change the frost blanket supports to accommodate - the outside temps became warmer (32 degrees and colder instead of 0 degrees and colder) - so the light bulbs were still able to keep the plants above 40 degrees in the GH.

Finally the plants grew so tall that we had to remove all protection in the GH to allow them to climb - at that point we used an electric space heater on nights when outside temps were below 25 degrees - the GH kept the plants above 40 degrees without heat above 25 degrees.

There you have it - it worked for us and now we are enjoying nice ripe tomatoes in this frigid beautiful Wyoming in June! We planted 5 varieties - German Giant, Better Boy, Brandy Boy, Super Marzano and Sweet Baby Girl.

Happy results from some early effort. Next year we plan to start the seeds the middle of February and delay the process two weeks - (we think we will have similar outcome - although the plants were always healthy and never appeared stressed) - because the cold weather (sub-zero temps) slowed down the growth process some back in February.

This post was edited by Hudson...WY on Sun, Jul 7, 13 at 1:06

    Bookmark   June 25, 2013 at 9:12AM
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northernmn(3/4)

Thank You! Great job on the explanation and a super pictorial to go with it. VERY well done.

    Bookmark   June 26, 2013 at 7:55AM
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hudson___wy

No problem Northernmn - be sure to post some photos of your GH when you start construction - I would like to see what you end up with. We must have looked at hundreds of GH's before we designed the one we built.

    Bookmark   June 26, 2013 at 11:05PM
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hudson___wy

Salsa time! Brandy Boy did not disappoint !!

    Bookmark   July 7, 2013 at 12:59AM
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bigpinks

Another very good Burpee product is Orange Slice. I have ten plants hanging full of large green fruit bigger than Better Boy ever gets. They taste good too.

    Bookmark   July 7, 2013 at 10:39AM
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bigpinks

I have grown Brandy Boy twice. I love the color and size but in my garden it comes in a poor second to Estlers Mortgage Lifter.

    Bookmark   July 7, 2013 at 5:22PM
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amerique2(7b TN)

hey Hudson, loved seeing the photo of your greenhouse lit up at night with snow surrounding it! That must keep your gardening heart going in the winter!

    Bookmark   July 8, 2013 at 8:05AM
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hudson___wy

bigpinks: Thanks for the recommendation (Orange Slice & Estlers Mortgage Lifter)! I will have to try both varieties. Do you have any photos of the plants / fruits so I can compare?

Amerique: Yes - there was therapeutic benefits from opening our GH on March 10th. The photo you are referring to was taken on March 12, 2013. Snow is expected here in Wyoming (zone 3) through May and last frost is forecast by the end of May - but we always get subfreezing temps in June it seems ------- I just can't wait that long!!! I have to start tinkering with grow lights in January and lighting up the GH in March - haha. It proved worth it though because we are now enjoying a bumper crop of tomatoes! Thanks for your comments.

    Bookmark   July 8, 2013 at 5:30PM
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bigpinks

I might have some later. My son said he would give me an older camera and show me how to post pictures. Right now I have clusters of 3-5 in a bunch of the EMLs. Last summer I weighed one that wa 37 oz. They are much rounder in my garden than BB and just a smoother more attractive shape..jmo. They are meaty, slightly sweet and I love the taste. The pretty pink color of Brandy Boy however is almost unique. When my plants got 5 ft tall the Orange Slice had a bigger stem and more robust look(deep green leaves) than any other plant in my garden. And they were full of round 3-4 inch fruit.

    Bookmark   July 8, 2013 at 5:42PM
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hudson___wy

It appears mother nature may have a solution - a "Better Brandy Boy"! I was surprised to find several cross pollinated Better Boys in the GH - the plants are at least 15' apart! Our GH is air tight and screened!! As of yet - I have not found any Brandy Boys that look like Better Boys though. Maybe Burpee can develop a "Better Brandy Boy" for those of us that like both of them!?

    Bookmark   August 18, 2013 at 12:19AM
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hudson___wy

Better Boy is still one of the varieties of choice for our GH. The Brandy Boy is a great slicing tomato - but Better Boy is an awesome canning tomato (good for slicing too - but not as good as Brandy Boy - IMO). And..........Better Boy is a great producer too.

My wife bottles/cans some awesome tomato soup as well as salsa. We just picked another round of Better Boy tomatoes today (most of these tomatoes are 8-14 oz) - that will find their way into her awesome soup!! It got down to 19 degrees last week and the frost killed everything that wasn't in the GH (except some of the cold crops). Better Boy and Brandy Boy are our favorites at this point in time and are still producing!!

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 10:28AM
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Daniel_NY(7a)

Better Boy is ok, but in my garden Brandy Boy is the winner.

Brandy Boy is superior to Better Boy in: taste, size and productivity.

I also suggest Brandy BoyâÂÂs fans, to check another thread by Hudson...WY: Brandy Boy - awesome variety.

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    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 12:02PM
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hudson___wy

Awesome looking tomato Daniel - and huge at that !! I agree 100% - Brandy Boy is the best tomato we have found to date! I can taste it - just looking at your photo !!!

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 12:35PM
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Daniel_NY(7a)

In my garden Brandy Boy and Mortgage Lifter tasted EXCELLENT. But the "King of the Garden" is Brandywine Pink, which taste is OUTSTANDING !!!

This post was edited by Daniel_NY on Sun, Sep 14, 14 at 13:16

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 1:07PM
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sharonrossy

Jealous! My garden is finished. Put away sauce and tomato jam, which is so delicious. I'm hoping to give brandy boy another try next year. Brandy wines are permanently off my list. Too few and too late!

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 5:45PM
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Daniel_NY(7a)

Here in Long Island (NY) things are better than ever...

A few tomatoes I picked up yesterday, Saturday, September 13, 2014.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 6:37PM
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Daniel_NY(7a)

The two large ones in the corners are... Brandy Boys: 18 oz. and 13 oz. EXCELLENT taste !!! Nice size too.

    Bookmark   September 15, 2014 at 9:54AM
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hudson___wy

I'm with you Sharon - Brandy Wine is off my list also - not impressed in my GH - for the same reasons !!

Nice Tomatoes Daniel !!

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 12:10AM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Hudson, you know your stuff and show everything in actual results.
Anyway. You can, of course, compare any two tomatoes, for sure. But maybe not a tomato to a tomatillo.

So far I like what I read and hear in this thread. Here is my dilemma. If I can only have one of the 2 BOYs, which one I should pick ?. My criteria:

--- Production, Earliness ( I have short cool season) , Compactness( I prefer smaller plants, to take less air space),

So , please help me out on this.

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 5:06AM
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Daniel_NY(7a)

seysonn, I know your question was for Hudson, but in case youâÂÂre curious what happened in my garden, here it is:

* Production: Brandy Boy
* Earliness: Better Boy
* Compactness: Better Boy
* Size: Brandy Boy
* Taste: Brandy Boy (by far)

For me the choice next year is clear: BRANDY BOY.

Taste and size for me are much more important than waiting one more week for a Brandy Boy tomato to ripe.

While next year I will plant 3-4 Brandy Boy, I will still plant 1 or 2 Better Boy, which is still a good tomato.

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 8:37AM
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sharonrossy

Hi seysonn, I haven't grown Better Boy for a long time and this was my first year with Brandy boy. I can say that Brandy boy is not early, it's at least 80 DTM. I can't base production on this year as I had some disease issues with most of my plants, we had spider mites and extreme humidity. But the tomatoes did have excellent taste. I'm fairly certain it's going to be in my grow list for next year.

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 8:57AM
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Daniel_NY(7a)

> Wine Tastings are all the rage these days but with the tomatoes producing volumes this year, why not consider hosting a 'tomato tasting' party? You will need to have a variety of tomatoes but, should you decide to have a party you could ask your guests to bring those from their garden or some from the Farmer's Market to add to the collective fun.

The cast of characters included the following:â¦[ Brandy Boy, Early Wonder, Glory, Green Zebra, Legend, Mortgage Lifter and Sungold. ]

'Brandy Boy' - 75-78 day maturity, indeterminate vine, a hybrid of Brandywine. This tomato is large and most fruit are in excess of five inches across. The skin is thin and pink and this plant produces quite a few fruit. It is much more prolific in production than 'Brandywine' . The flavor was described as tangy, sweet, zippy and robust. It was the clear favorite.

Of the eight guests, four liked 'Brandy Boy' the best, two liked 'Early Wonder', one liked 'Green Zebra' and one liked 'Mortgage Lifter'. [ Tomato Tasting. ]

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 9:23AM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

Brandy Boy is my choice as well. Delicious 1lb+ fruit and very productive.

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 3:02PM
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hudson___wy

Hi Seysonn -
We have grown both varieties in our GH now for several years - We have a good history of performance - this is how they compare up for us:

* Production: Brandy Boy - always more prolific! Although Better Boy is always second place.
* Earliness: Brandy Boy - this is where I differ from Daniel and Sharon - In our GH the Brandy Boy set fruit better than Better Boy in early spring cool temps - so they are the first to ripen. We planted them in the GH the middle of March and had ripe Brandy Boy the middle of June. Better Boy was a week or two later.
* Compactness: Better Boy
* Size: Brandy Boy
* Taste: Brandy Boy (by far)!
* Slicing Tomato - Brandy Boy
* Canning Tomato - Better Boy
* Desease resistant - No Difference
* Skin - Brandy Boy - Thin - Better Boy - Medium

Brandy Boy is very hardy and grew 16' to the top of GH before the tops froze from freezing outside temps - I would recommend planting them behind your other tomato plants and give them strong support - we use cattle panels. I recommend pruning suckers which will keep them as compact as you like - but they keep producing if you let them grow tall or horizontal.

A tomato tasting party is a great idea - I will have to remember that for next year.

Brandy Boy - would be my clear choice of Recommendation for you to consider!! Have you tried Tomatillo? I don't have enough room in my GH for those! But have never grown them either.

Here is a photo of 2013 showing the dates the variety ripened. As you see - Brandy Boy ripens first in our GH.

    Bookmark   September 16, 2014 at 10:45PM
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rt_peasant(5 CO)

I didn't grow Brandy Boy in my garden this year, but I gave away seeds and seedlings to friends and family. The tomatoes that I got in return were outstanding. I'll definitely be planting it next year. Check out this 1lb 9oz lunker. It tasted as good as it looks.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 12:28AM
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hudson___wy

It does look awesome rt !! Brandy Boy is producing some big ones too - 1lb 9oz is a big tomato! We had many 14 to 16 oz this year - more big ones this year it seems. Our largest was 1lb 4oz though. Looks bigger in the hands of my two year old granddaughter.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 2:30AM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Ok. Thanks for your very descriptive analysis.

I am sold : BRANDY BOY is it. That is a definite choice for me the next season.
Good by Mortgage Lifter (sorry Charlie !). Probably I got a bad plant ( It was Bonnies. One out of about 30 plants)

One of the finds this season for me had been Ananas Noire (aka Black Pine apple) I compare it to Cherokee Purple in size and texture. But probably is juicier than CP. Plus it is a beautiful multi color : Purple, Orange, Yellow and Green.
I recommend it to you to try.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 3:19AM
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Daniel_NY(7a)

seysonn wrote:

> Good bye Mortgage Lifter (sorry Charlie !).

While in my garden, ML were not that big as I expected - none was bigger than 1 lb - the production was good and the taste EXCEPTIONAL. A keeper for me.

> Probably I got a bad plant ( It was Bonnies. One out of about 30 plants)

Most likely.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 9:48AM
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hudson___wy

Seysonn - it is a beautiful multi-colored tomato! Does it taste as good as a CP? I am a little skeptical after tasting the Mortgage Lifter Bi-color - yellow tomato - I didn't like the flavor - too bland for me

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 9:55AM
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seysonn(8a WA/HZ 1)

Hudson, all I can say is that it (Ananas Noire) is very juicy and crisp. I usually do not eat a lot of plain tomatoes, but I eat this one whenever I can. The color maybe tricks me . I fall for it. This is like 3 tomatoes in one.
Production and size, I think is comparable to CP, maybe better. I think it is worth trying.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 11:32AM
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Deeby

Hey, that's not fair-I didn't get to wear nail polish till I was 13 !

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 6:15PM
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hudson___wy

I am bumping this thread for those that may want more information about Brandy Boy - and may want to see the comparison I made with Better Boy - in the event that you have grown Better Boy in the past

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Seysonn_ 7b-WA/HZ1

Thanks Hudson.
It is a done deal. As I said in this thread last year , that I will grow Brandy Boy, I am doing it. I have already germinated and have registered in the contest.

This thread is like a good experimental study on Brandy Boy, though it is done in your greenhouse in WY and Daniel's garden in Long Island, NY.

So I was sold. It remains to be seen how it will perform in our cool PNW climate.

Seysonn

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PupillaCharites(FL 9a)

Great thread! Definitely something is fairly unique about Better Boy when it comes to flavor and temperature - you have something there. I never understood odd liking of refrigerated tomatoes, but here you mention Better Boy was your principal tomato, and you actually like Brandy Boy at normal temps, that surprised me because Better Boy has always been an exception for me...

Better Boy for me is better at a refreshing temperature, too, not chilled but slightly cooler than other tomatoes. Also it tastes better to me compared to other tomatoes when growing conditions are low light and cool temperatures, like now when I am growing it through a winter when many nights get cold, which isn't the same. That may be related though. I think there is some science going on with the flavor.

My other comment is "BB" is Better Boy, but now "BB" is used for Brandy Boy in our contest. I get confused every time!

PC

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hudson___wy

haha - me too - I try to use BB in context - but it gets confusing - especially when comparing BB with BB. Maybe brandy Boy should be BBB - for Brandy Boy is Better? haha

I dare not say much about refrigeration and tomatoes or I will get in trouble with Deborah - haha - at least I know that I am not the only one that likes a tomato cooler - it must be science!

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PupillaCharites(FL 9a)

Hmmmm... I'm a diehard fan of Better Boy. I really find it hard to have a favorite boy since I love them all the same. (jk, I have yet to try a BYOB = Brandy Boy ;-)). Maybe another contest to vote on the best standard abbreviations LOL, I'll submit: the Bet and Bra boys ;-) Not trying to have flavor vs. temperature hijack the thread, but that's mostly what it's about after yield is factored in. I think you nailed it when you observed different varieties like Bra and Bet are different, and part of that is Bet probably has a better skin and regular shaped surface so dehydration isn't a big problem as quickly and it absorbs less random refrigerator smells than a thin skinned, irregular, more easily dehydrated tomato, like 'ugly' shapes do.

The scientists at UCD consider 54 F to be the perfectly fine lowest temp so I'll call that refreshing, but refrigeration temperature of around 40 F to be damaging according to statistical tasting tests they did. Ha, they went on to say when harvested near maturity and ripened above the refreshing temp to table ripe, at that point it can be put in the refrigerator for as long as 3 days and still be great, especially if bagged. OK, I'll quit and Deborah can take over ;-)

PC

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Seysonn_ 7b-WA/HZ1

I suggest <b> BrB </b> for Brandy Boy .

Similarly <b> BtB </b> for Better Boy. .
Seysonn

html code not working ?!?

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theforgottenone1013(MI zone 5b/6a)

No need to use html code anymore. They now have bold and italic buttons just below the text box that you can click.

Rodney

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Seysonn_ 7b-WA/HZ1

Thanks Rodney. I just noticed that few hours ago.

Here is my signature in bold and Italic combined.

Seysonn

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