The end, I fear, is near for our vermicomposting forum

chuckiebtooAugust 19, 2005

My worst fears...well, not WORST fears, but a fear of some consequence, have come to the fore. This forums' posters have, apparently all chosen these past few days to either give up vermicomposting (sorry Kelly), become incapacitated by the mother of all electrical outages, or died.

The forum has been pretty dead lately, and I assume everyone, if worms are still part of your lives, has learned all there is to know about worms. If not, then surely many of our fellow wormers have expired. If that be the case, we need new blood.

Come on, folks, log on, speak up, get wormin'!!

Chuckiebtoo

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billr12(Z5/6 MO)

Chuck, dont give up so easily. Did you stop to think that it is back to school time in most of the country? I would imagine that most younger folks with school kids are very busy getting everything ready for their children. Most teachers and educators will be preparing lesson plans and their class rooms. I have a recent post and feel confident that someone will know the answer or will find a link that will give me the answer. You have a great worming day.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2005 at 8:44AM
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rembetika(austin, TX)

i too had a post recently and got a ton of great (& helpful) responses.... i see lots of recent activity on here... they certainly aren't planning on taking the forum down, so what's the problem?

    Bookmark   August 20, 2005 at 12:21PM
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garnetmoth(z6)

Its hot here. I saved the baking worms, got a new bin, and its still too hot. but theyre alive. and multiplying!

Ive got a pretty big bin, and Id like to harvest it some day, Im thinking about feeding it 1-2 more times then letting their bad selves work for a while.

I have a harvest technique I want to try in October or so when i try to harvest. I found an old plastic washbin and made it a glorified colander. Bigger holes than windowscreen, or CanOWorms, hope it will work quickly and easily.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2005 at 1:46PM
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cynthiacTX(z8TX)

Well my bin is doing great since the move. They all pulled an escape attempt for a few days, but now they have nestled down. :)Their whole escape attempt was strange yet fascinating at the same time.

Now my next project is to seperate them from the finished compost, because the bin is getting to full.

So that will involve a productive day of seperating them and a few cold beers. :)

I may look into moving in to the 2 bin (one on top of another) method. Not quite sure yet.

Right now I need to research between compost tea or adding it directly to the garden. I think the later will be what I do. Since I've done that all a long. I did the tea thing once but I don't know if I correctly followed procedure.
What's the shelf life on this stuff? I assume I need to use it pronto (since it has live organisms in it)?

    Bookmark   August 20, 2005 at 2:45PM
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chuckiebtoo

Thanks for all your responses...I feel better already. Cynthia, If you've never physically separated worms and eggs from the compost (sorry Kelly), do so. It is a fascinating, and learning, experience. Also, why not use the compost directly, AND the tea sprayed on all leaf surfaces of your yard, (or garden), depending on how involved you are in it.

Garnetmoth, good luck on your harvest. I've used the bin in a bin method some, and it works pretty well, but I still get in there up to my as...no, elbows, to get all my worms and eggs.

Rembetika, the volume of posts has been WAY down recently, but unless you are familiar with my stuff, you don't realize that everything I slap up here needs to be taken with a grain of salt, or two, on the rim of a frozen marguarita.

Chuckiebtoo

    Bookmark   August 20, 2005 at 4:38PM
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MathieuP(z6/Tenn)

Too hot to go outside right now.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2005 at 6:53PM
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rembetika(austin, TX)

DEFINITELY too hot to do anything, and everyone's probably on vacation....? (except me of course!)

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OklaMoni

I am here too. Read about twice a week. Love your shemes to get peeps to post. :)

Moni

    Bookmark   August 20, 2005 at 10:24PM
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Kelly_Slocum(sw WA state)

I've been working on the road with intermittent internet availability, working on my landscape (got my waterfall built in my 1600 gallon pond), working on two local political campaigns. In my free time ::snort:: I try to keep up with several forums, giving one a bit more time than it really deserves (and, I suspect, wearing out my welcome).

Coming back and reading this forum makes me wonder how you can feel there's been too little activity! I'll never get through all of the posts! ::laughing::

This is a nice place, though, and I enjoy talking with all of you. Anyone care to paraphrase the recent discussions? What are the hot topics.

Kelly S

    Bookmark   August 20, 2005 at 11:38PM
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plantermunn

My fridge thing has turned into a wonderful composter I haven,t got any worms yet. I think I will wait till next spring.

Here is a link that might be useful: Old refrigrator

    Bookmark   August 21, 2005 at 1:18AM
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chuckiebtoo

To paraphrase: Well, I'll start with my little "end is near" rant...that, in itself, was an indication of our recent lull, and just an off-handed inducement, as is my modus operandi, I'm told, to get a little more activity and diversity in the mix (I know how you just love diversity). Exaggeration is sometimes the better part of plain old mundane truth.

Anyway, what we've been talking about mainly is......all things non-vermi socializing with our worms. Killer ants, fruit fly's, un-fruit fly's, BSF larva, roaches, little white mites?, house fly's?, ear wigs, worm integration, and strangely, no mention of alien invasions (which leads me to believe lots of wormers aren't paying real close attention..especially at night).

BTW, with a pond that size, did you check into getting a federal grant, or maybe a Ducks Unlimited sponsorship? Hell, the Federal Highway Appropriations Bill's probably already got it covered in there somewhere.

Chuckiebtoo

    Bookmark   August 21, 2005 at 8:49AM
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garnetmoth(z6)

ooo! aliens!

I did find the Skink hanging out near the bin- as long as hes just eating the earwigs and milipedes! Theyre blue-tailed and gorgeous- I see him ever week or 2. Hes been scarce in this heat.

    Bookmark   August 21, 2005 at 9:30AM
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gardengrandma(z5 MI.)

I'm a lurker when I do have time to get here. Busy time of the year for me with my canning and freezing of my garden veggies.
I did get a second bin started last week. My first will be ready to harvest by the end of September.
I'll be around more after the weather changes for the worst!!

    Bookmark   August 22, 2005 at 9:30PM
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vstech(z7 Charlotte)

chuckie! all you outside binners have my sympothy! my two bins in the kitchen are doing great, the worms are moving smoothly into the screened area and I will be removing them to new bedding soon! I will be seperating my two bins into 4 bins and giving one to my brother, so he can gross out his wife. he has been pestering me for some since I got some earlier this year.
I love the worms for destroying my junk mail. interesting potworms (so cute!) pill buggs galore, not as cute, but I guess I will live with them. no sign of BSF inside bins of course, but still looking for them (I hear the eggs can live on the food before it is put into the bin, and appear on their own)
I was walking through walmart yesterday and the rubbermaid bins are on sale for 3.44 in the 20GA size, the 30 and 60 gallon size are also on sale, but at 7 and 15.00 respectively, not too appealing for bins.
besides, where would I put a 60GA. bin in my kitchen?
also the ailen invasion is kept at bay by my kitchen walls, I have constant security cameras at several angles on timedelay VCR and no matter how many times I view the tapes, no aliens... sorry.
just in case the ants start to arrive in mass, I am accumliating tnt in large quantities. the house is old, so I may just light the fuse while they are still in the kitchen. I am a lousy cook anyway, so I can always go out for dinner. I should post warnings before setting up the explosions, my daughters, may need a barricade for saftey...
boo.

    Bookmark   August 24, 2005 at 10:31AM
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chuckiebtoo

I stand corrected. The forum, and its participants are still out there wormin'. One thing: I have both outside and inside bins, and my routine is to put my inside bins outside in the spring when the temps are OK. At that time, I separate the outside bins eggs and worms physically to new bins prepared for inside and to other bins to remain outside. The separated vermicompost is put into my raised bins and it has some worms in it as well.

Does that make sense? The reason I physically separate is because I concentrate on saving the eggs. I also separate worms continually using all the methods we talk about. One favorite method is stuffing toilet paper rollers with a foodstuff and place it in a bin. In a day or so, I put it, now filled with worms, into a new/other bin. This method is really easy. REALLY EASY.

Chuckiebtoo

    Bookmark   August 24, 2005 at 12:30PM
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DesertHills(z9 N Phx,AZ)

>stuffing toilet paper rollers with a foodstuff
COOL! Great idea! I'll try this next month.
Now off to save one before DH throws it away ...

    Bookmark   August 24, 2005 at 12:59PM
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katj75(z8 OR)

Noooooo.....I just finally got my bin started. I can finally participate, I can be one of you, the forum can't end now. I will need help. In fact I already have a question, but I need to a search first to make sure it already hasn't been answered. I had my Dad help me build it after reading posts on this very forum. I have an indoor bunny and figured out that the worms will compost her poop, and off we weent. He built a hutch that houses the cage on top and the worm bin ina drawer underneath, we added some fianl touches so that now I all I have to do is pull out the tray and all of the droppings fall right into the worm bin. It is my worm bin / self cleaning rabbit cage. I receioved my worms about 1 1/2 weeks ago, they seem happy so far. My concern at this point are that I may not have enough worms for the amount of stuff I want to put in there, bunny droppings and kitchen scraps. I need to know how long it takes before they start to multiply.

Please stick around a little longer, I am sure I am going to have issues.

    Bookmark   August 24, 2005 at 1:38PM
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chuckiebtoo

We ain't going anywhere, Kati75. I was just trying to get everybody out of the lull we were in, and if you read past posts or future ones, you'll realize parts of mine sometimes...most of the time, no, all the time need to be taken less than seriously.

Now about those multiplication tables: the vermi will reproduce very quickly and probably maximally with your description of the food supply, but maybe, at first, not fast enough. The beauty of this adventure you're starting is the learning process. Experiment. Remember that the worms must crawl before they can.....uh, oh, never mind, you know what I mean.

Chuckiebtoo

    Bookmark   August 24, 2005 at 2:25PM
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katj75(z8 OR)

Thanks Chuckie - Like said my bin is only 1 1/2-2 weeks old at this point. I have tried to leave them alone in that time to settle in. After reading more and more posts here last night I decided to poke around to see how they are settling in. They are every where munching away. I was suprised to see how much they had spread out.

Question - If anybosy is still reading this thread. I set the box up so that extra fluid would drain off into the box underneath. There isn't any moisture coming out. I am making sure that the contents of the worm bin is moist, but don't seem to creating excess moisture. Does this mean that I have a good balance or not enough moisture?

    Bookmark   August 25, 2005 at 2:04PM
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MKitten(z8 Oregon)

Kat,

I prefer not to have any moisture coming out of the bin. I think it's just right if it's moist, but no liquid is draining. You're probably fine.

Mariann

    Bookmark   August 25, 2005 at 2:34PM
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bendback50(8 B/CS-TX)

Here too,

I don't like moisture draining out. My bins stay plenty moist (plastic) so I watch the moisture pretty closely.

bruce

    Bookmark   August 25, 2005 at 10:45PM
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mom2three

The past few weeks I've been thinking about how much I miss my worms. I used to have a bin I made out of a huge rubbermaid container. I kept it in the basement and it was a great system for a few years. I had lots of happy worms and wonderful castings. But then I neglected it due to personal issues and before I knew it I had dry castings and no worms. :-( So, here I am reading posts on this forum and getting the itch to start up again.

Sue

    Bookmark   August 26, 2005 at 12:57AM
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bendback50(8 B/CS-TX)

Hey mom2three,

They say 'the only way to cure an itch is to scratch it!!'

Besides, you already know the "ins & outs" and we'd love to have you on the forum more.

bruce

    Bookmark   August 26, 2005 at 11:18AM
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dutch_il(East Central Il)

Between my outdoor windrow, inside bin, gardening, outoor ponds, yard work, a site steward for the Salt Fork Lake Preserve, being an observer for the National Weather Service and sending emails to the kids overseas as part of Operation Soldier Support I don't have much time other than lurk in the summer.

We're still trying to keep those PE's happy campers.

Larry(Larry in Illinois)Woller

    Bookmark   August 26, 2005 at 1:48PM
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OklaMoni

Does this mean that I have a good balance or not enough moisture?

Yes, that is just what it means. If you have moisture coming out, it is a bit to moist. reason for the tray/bin underneath, is to keep the surface where you park the bin from getting yucky. ;)

Moni

    Bookmark   August 26, 2005 at 2:31PM
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bendback50(8 B/CS-TX)

This thread is getting so long I'm developing carpel tunnel in my Pointer Finger just scrolling to the bottom every day!!/:o0

bruce

    Bookmark   August 26, 2005 at 10:17PM
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yancychipper(Victoria, Texas)

Tried vermicomposting. Had a bunch of worms in a nice black compost bin. Fed them all kinds of goodies. One morning I discovered they had all fled overnight. Perhaps the aliens beamed them up. Would like to try it again when it gets a little cooler.

    Bookmark   August 27, 2005 at 5:14PM
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JaniceP(z6 Coastal MA)

You guys CAN'T go away! I just bought a "Can o' Worms" at the Rochester Fair in New Hampshire and am waiting for my 2 pounds of worms to arrive in the mail.

I plan to keep the bin in my cellar because we have harsh winters here and I want a place for kitchen scraps when the various compost piles in the yard are not accessible (like when there's 4 feet of snow on the ground!).

The fellow who sold me the bin (he lurks here but doesn't post) made the whole process sound so easy, but after reading some of the posts here, I realize that I have a lot to learn. Other forums I've found aren't as good as this one.... So keep posting!!

    Bookmark   September 26, 2005 at 5:48PM
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woodsworm(7a NC)

Guess I took ya'll for granted after you absolutely got me through the winter. Been writing and gardening. My wormies are doing well, though. I started them in February in the basement thinking I would take them outside this summer, but that was silly so I let them stay right there where the temp's fine. They are still happy as far as I know. I'm not the most patient person.

I benefitted greatly from Kelly's advice on her site. Couldn't have done it without her. "It" is not much: two plastic bins. I used the shallow ones, though. I bought the kind people buy for storing long tubes of wrapping paper, like Christmas wrapping outfits. They were cheap, and my darlin' helped me drill holes (well, he drilled, I held). Apparently he put enough holes. I found only one attempted escapee, on the basement floor, but that was months ago.

I do not have enough to harvest. Lots of worms. I am using shredded paper and the occasional hand-shredded cereal box/toilet roll core for bedding. Feeding them from the kitchen. They seem to eat very slowly. Should I be doing anything to speed up production?

I haven't worried about it because 1) I do see babies from time to time and 2) it smells pretty sweet.

My concerns about compatability with growing plants under florescent lights nearby (which I asked ya'll about last winter; thanks again) have disappeared.

The outdoor tumbler my darlin' gave me for Christmas is getting its second fill-up. It's a big old bugger to fill.

So: that's WW so far.

    Bookmark   September 26, 2005 at 7:26PM
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jaytea(9)

Hi,
Not to fear!
I have been a member of the GardenWeb for many years now, but I have just now gotten into vermicomposting. I took a local workshop, got worms at the workshop, got a Can O Worms bin from the waste management people for free, and now I am really getting into it.
So, don't despair, I believe vermicomposting is becoming more popular than ever now, (even though there was a lapse in folks posting), but esp now that more people know about it, and hopefully, other areas besides Santa Cruz Co CA will also offer free vermicomposting and composting workshops.
JT

    Bookmark   October 24, 2007 at 6:43PM
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shesoldier(6)

i love love love this forum. i'm new to this, started in august, and i've read most of the posts on all the dozens of pages on this forum. my friends are somewhat horrified by how much time i spend thinking and reading about my worms, who are hopefully recovering from a sour crop scenario at the moment.

but thanks everyone for posting on! please keep doing it!

and tell me, do you sometimes feel like your brain has been invaded by worms? like ya can't stop thinking about them??

    Bookmark   October 24, 2007 at 10:34PM
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seacat

Late as I usually am in posting to this forum, just had to say thanks to everyone who's gotten me through my first year, almost to the day! I have a largish bin under my kitchen sink which has successfully produced a lot of good compost for my plants and taught me a lot.

While its true I haven't lurked or posted lately, besides being busy with work and other home-front stuff, I was busy:

a) buying bins and setting up a second bin, located under the dining table now!

b) turning and tending to the needs of two bins;

c) passing on information about worming to other people who were interested; actually had a colleague and her husband over for dinner and she really wanted to see my worms!!! (unfortunately most people are horrified and think there must be a hord of cockroaches in my apartment); and

d) busy harvesting from my first bin for fall tulip and bulb planting season.

Chris/Toronto, Ontario

    Bookmark   October 25, 2007 at 7:22PM
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shyspook

I just recently started trying to build outdoor bins and have found this forum totally helpful and friendly. I am wanting to attempt an indoor bin, but I guess that I have more questions than I have answers and I am in overwhelm outside as it is. For instance..for some strange reason, I can not figure out if I put the bedding first, or last (on top of the pile). The worms I have are mostly wild, but they like to bed underneath the leaves and just barely in the soil. Is the bedding that I am suppose to supply to be eaten, or anchored to? What is the bedding for? Outside, I made my first bin on the ground and filled it full of leaves and paper. The second bin I made in a heavy metal hog pen 3'x3'x3', lined the bottom with boards to keep out the armadillos, rats or mice, snakes, etc.(it is about 6 inches off the ground), I put some dark black garden mesh on top of that, I put a layer of cardboard (damp to wet)over the mesh, and then I put a large sack of shredded paper dry and wet on top of that. I plan on putting a bag of leaves on top of that, wet it all down and then add the worms. Of course, I plan to put a black piece of plastic or tarp to keep out the rain. Since there are already some worms just born in the wet paper, I really don't know what layer I should call bedding. I am going to buy some worms come payday...now, could somebody enlighten me a bit more about this set-up AND could they suggest how many worms I ought to buy for this size bin AND I don't know what the worm eggs look like to find them in the ground...Any help will be greatly appreciated! =o)

    Bookmark   November 1, 2007 at 4:03AM
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varnos(5)

Well, thanks to Gardenweb Compost Wacko forum,
I learned about Vermicomposting. I raced out
and bought two totes (clear ones :( ) drilled a
bunch of holes in bottom and sides, and waited
for my worm order to come from Uncle Jim's.
I guess I want to get non transparent bins when
I get a chance. Well I waited,and waited, then,
finally I got my worms today. I added them to
my aged bin as recommended by the redworm
composting website. I was suprised how active
and strong they were, crawling right away to
the bottom, Since they just spent three nights
being shipped to me. So, I am excited about
the adventure of using worms to consume my
garbage, (Well mostly other peoples garbage)
I rarely eat at home. I am just looking
forward to the wonderful castings They will
produce for my yard. We have primarily hard
clay soil, which is tough to grow anything in.

Ron

    Bookmark   April 17, 2008 at 3:11PM
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mike1970(5B)

Nooooooooooo!

But, but, but, this is where I point all the aspiring vermicomposters that I inspire with my tales of worms and poo and giant tomato plants. This place CAN'T leave!

Anyway, I did a worm/poo separation last weekend on both of my bins to get my supplies of compost up for upcoming gardening season. I use a lot when transplanting my tomatoes to bigger pots while I'm starting them indoors. My plan of saving leaves from the fall in bags in my basement and then using that for bedding has worked out great. I think the leaves have a lot more nutrients as they break down. I also still mix in some newspaper from those annoy free-flyers they leave on my doorstep every week. Ha! Not only did I not read your annoying advertisements, but I fed them to my worms! How do you like those apples?

Also, I'm very surprised at how the worms keep going even after some get accidentally tossed into the "finished compost" bin. I use old 40-lb plastic cat sand containers to keep my finished compost in. Those things have no ventilation or drainage at all. But I always encounter live worms when digging some out to use. So there must be at least some ventilation and lots of food left in there. Go Team Verms!

Mike

    Bookmark   April 18, 2008 at 11:26AM
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onafixedincome(z8-9 CA)

Weather's glorious, been outside, not inside posting! :) Outside, vermicomposting instead!

:)

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squeeze(z8 BC)

some folks didn't note the date of the 'title post' of this thread, chuckie was panicing over a few wormers moving on when the change of management happened waaay back .... the archives are still here, but maybe Ron could have started a new topic instead of jumping into one from the 'dark ages' :)

Bill

    Bookmark   April 19, 2008 at 4:39PM
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sekiranku

well i just started this compost and was going to add worms to help it along to elimanate the fruit fly organization. then i thought i would dump it to get rid of it because it had this awful smell. I let it stink up for a while before i finally decided to check on it again. to my surprise there was worms and the compost was doing well. so I looked it up and saw that there were BSF larvae in my bin. Hmmm i thought and then i put all of it back in the bin and this morning they were gone. what happened? what did I do wrong?

    Bookmark   April 25, 2008 at 3:43PM
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steamyb(7)

I started a worm bin in september '08 and am waiting for warmer weather here in nc to harvest it. I now have three people wanting to start their own bins. If I split the worms 4-ways, will I have enough to go around?

    Bookmark   February 22, 2009 at 9:31PM
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Anisten(6)

steamyb the amount that you may have available will depend on many conditions. What did you start with? how big was the bin? did you keep feeding them? Is the bedding moist? Hard to say you will only know when you harvest.

    Bookmark   February 22, 2009 at 9:45PM
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steamyb(7)

I started with a pound of worms in a rubbermaid tote. Those worms have done great, the tote is 3/4 full of castings and the worms have made a bunch of babies. They are fed about once a week or so and dry shredded newspaper keeps the juice down. They are thriving.

    Bookmark   February 27, 2009 at 6:18PM
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captaindirt(6/7)

I have not yet started A worm compost system but hope to soon. I have the plans for a bin that will hold the temps. at or close to the optimum(sp) level. Although I do wish them to slow down during the winter months because I just don't have that much scrapes at that time of the year for them.
I was thinking of an all around food source and was hoping to get some positive feedback over getting yeld at for it. I live within blocks of horse trainers and a starbucks. If I were to mix horse manure (composted) coffee grounds and food scraps togeather, would this be an acceptable feed. If so I would have an all year supply except during canning.

    Bookmark   November 25, 2010 at 1:21PM
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sbryce_gw

It would be the best possible food you could use, especially if you leave out the coffee grounds.

    Bookmark   November 26, 2010 at 10:38AM
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captaindirt(6/7)

sounds good then. I'll leave out the coffee grounds and use them on my garden in the fall with the horse manure, leaves.

    Bookmark   November 26, 2010 at 11:57AM
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chuckiebtoo

Well, "near" is apparently relative. I checked back in here while cleaning up/deleting old files and sites.

I'm still worming, and making AVCTea, and growing stuff organically. I'm also gonna start posting again, so you've all been given fair warning.

Gotta lotta new techniques that're working for me.

Chuckiebtoo

    Bookmark   April 25, 2012 at 6:50PM
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OklaMoni

Hi Chuckie!

I was gone for a long time too. Just got worms again.

When I got back here, I was surprised, that everyone had left. A whole new crop of people here... and new concepts as well.

Moni

    Bookmark   April 25, 2012 at 7:32PM
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Minderella(9 Lake County FL)

Hi, I am Mindy. I started a worm inn about a year ago. I recently got some more worms so it is looking alot better.

    Bookmark   April 25, 2012 at 8:06PM
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equinoxequinox

chuckiebtoo, are you the guy with aliens visiting the compost bin? If so he was very good to read. And I eventually figured out who the aliens were and now I want some too.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2012 at 2:20AM
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mendopete

Welcome back. It is great to have more experience posting up. I look forward to reading about your new tricks and tea brewing.

Pete

    Bookmark   April 26, 2012 at 8:46PM
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shermthewerm(8 PNW)

Chuckie, so glad you're back! When I started my worm bin 3 years ago, I spent weeks/months? reading all your old posts--as far back as they went...very funny! Glad you're back & can't read to read more about all of your worm adventures.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2012 at 6:33PM
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chuckiebtoo

I'm about to take this thread to another. "The end, I fear....." is way too pessimistic (sp?).

Starting a new thread now called "The end?.....Worms are never-ending.

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Shaul(Israel)

I just Love this Forum.
Always interested in hearing about new techniques... as well as aliens. :-)

Shaul

    Bookmark   May 5, 2012 at 11:26AM
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chuckiebtoo

I AM back.....again, and for good. Been a little preoccupied with a pesky prostate but the worms have been doing REAL good.

Doing a lot of experimental stuff with bins, and worm tea, and foods, and......changing (tweaking) just about all of it.

Not that my old ways didn't work, they just didn't need as much work to work.

Later.....

Chuckiebtoo

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 2:32PM
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Shaul(Israel)

Chuckie;
Welcome back, Again. Perhaps you could lure some of the other Ghost Survivors of the days of yore, that are hanging out on 'The Garden Forums' . I was there but found it to be far too quiet for my tastes.

Shaul

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 3:56PM
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equinoxequinox

Hey Chuckiebtoo. I do not think we have posted at similar times with each other but my posting style, on multiple forums, only one to do with worms or gardening, for better or worse, is modeled after yours. Sort of like an injection of life.

Not sure where 'The Garden Forums' is because worm wise I am mostly here. Once upon a time there was another place I wanted to post but registering never seemed to work and nobody new joined the group for a long time. I think it was a system error that with a lack of new blood eventually ate that forum.

Interested to hear about the tweaking. Maybe give us a rundown, for those who have not read all of the old threads, of your systems and interests.

~ Chuckiebtoo fan, although I usually had zero idea what you were talking about ever, but eventually figured it out.

This post was edited by equinoxequinox on Sat, Mar 30, 13 at 22:51

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 10:48PM
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gerris2

Hi Chuckiebtoo, good to see you're back and in better health.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 9:21AM
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chuckiebtoo

OK....I got a pretty good little tidbit to share: My worms love to eat pumpkin (and similar soft foodstuffs). I always gather up some Halloween pumpkins around the neighborhood, freeze them, and keep my worms blissfully happy.

But.....when I put pumpkin on one end of the bin, and tea bags on the olther...the worms go nuts over the tea bags.

Chuckiebtoo

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 7:06PM
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Shaul(Israel)

Sure. There's nothing like a nice cuppa tea to wash down all that pumpkin. I also feed pumpkin when I can find it cheap enough. I freeze it first and when it defrosts, it's the perfect consistency for the worms to work on. Also, I almost always find a quantity of baby worms around the pumpkin mash.
As far as tea bags, I've stopped adding them only because; whenever I'd harvest the castings I'd find a bunch of worms curled up inside every single bag (and if they're relaxing in the tea bags, then they're not out there eating anything else). But I could see cutting or ripping open the bags and adding the contents to a Bokashi bin.

Shaul

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 8:01PM
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priswell(9 CA)

I keep a container for tea and coffee leavings. I cut open the tea bags and dump the used coffee grounds in sans the filter. This makes for crumbly, almost fluffy additions, and makes it easy to turn the bins, if I want/need to.

The paper things can go into what I call "The Clunky Bin", a secondary bin that funny odds and ends go. I also use this bin to compost my pine needles. They're inconvenient to compost and they take about 3 years to break down, so, they have their own bin.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 9:37AM
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mendopete

I believe pumpkin is the favorite food of my worms. I still have some chunks left from Halloween JOL's in the deep freeze. If you want to give some worms away, just put a thawed pumpkin slab skin side up in your bin. About 4-5 days later, roll it over and scoop out the worm ball...

Happy wormin', Pete

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 5:12PM
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barbararose21101

What zone system do you all use ? I'm in Oly Wa which is on an edge of zone 4 in the Sunset Western Garden Book.

I want to chime in on those who say we are busy gardening and tending worms: Reading long posts is not a preferred pastime when seeking solid guidance.

It's Oct 29 2013: we had our first freeze last night. I separated the worms from a (2 bin ) bin yesterday.
I clumsily combined light, a paint brush, a screen, gloved fingers, with no plan or design & I had to hurry to be somewhere. It was overdue. I hadn't found the time to do it in the quiet, organized, meditation I had hoped for.

The worms are back in the bin. There is a mosquito net liner that comes up the sides and closes over. The bin was half full of shredded newspaper. I put the shredded paper in a woven plastic bag that sand comes in. I dampened it in the neighbor's pond because my rainbarrels were dry, The excess water flows out, I added an equal layer of horse manure . It had been dampened the same way. I don't know whether it was aged, but I've been using it & the worms go for it if it is damp enough. If I want the worms to aggregate, overripe fruit seems the quickest. A pear, sliced, gathered crowds in a day.

I have also a Worm Inn.

I started in April with half a pound of wigglers. When the Worm Inn arrived, I put about half of the population in it.
(About 2 months ago ?)

During the harvesting yesterday I saw the eggs, put them with the new bed as best I could. Same with threddy youngsters.
Probably most are still in the casting/bedding mix separated out. That mix is now in the woven plastic bag that sand comes in. It's in a bucket with a little leachate in the bottom of the bucket,

I am thinking what to do next. I have an aereator. I bubbled some leachate for 24 hours . Have no way of knowing what is in it, Put some on some plants. No obvious result (not growing season).

The horse manure keeps the worms from starving if I fail to feed them better stuff.. I keep a worm jar in the kitchen that fits the blender.. When there are enough scraps to liquify, I puree it (usually add apple juice instead of tap water ) & feed the worms,

I am interested in your experience with coffee grounds, The posters seem to advise caution. In the seventies I had garden worms in pure coffee grounds in a 5 gal glass carboy: no air except the top. They seemed happy and multiplied, I don't remember the finale.

Other than that, what to do next with the bedding/castings mix in winter. Tea ? Store til Spring ? Divvy into small batches to make tea ? Is there any standard ratio of bedding/castings (B/C) to water to aereate ? Any standard ratio of the resuting "tea" to water to use on plants ?

Most desired result: Protect roses from diseases without poisons, (I have mason bees in their own refrigerator.)

    Bookmark   October 29, 2013 at 1:58PM
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barbararose21101

Is there a way to start with most recent posts ?
Is there a way to search by poster ?

    Bookmark   November 7, 2013 at 9:16PM
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jasdip

Yes,

Type chuckiebtoo for example in the Search button (the button at the BOTTOM of the page. Search This Forum Only, and you'll get his posts.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 7:49PM
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equinoxequinox

Is there a way to start with most recent posts ?

Yes. Go to:

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/verm/

and read all of the ones on the first page.
When you get to the bottom click on page 2
Rinse and Repeat.

Or keep clicking on the choice of
"next 30 messages"

To read them in order start at the bottom of page 67.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2013 at 8:36PM
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featherhoof(zone 9)

I have been on the Florida gardening forum for quite a while. About 7months ago, I added rabbits to my homesteading efforts. 5 months ago, I purchased a breeder doe from an impressive commercial Rabbit farm/CSA in South-western Florida. They raise worms under their rabbits. I ended up buying a pound of worms and not really set up at home for them. I moistened up some pete moss, added shredded paper, and rabbit poop and stuck all that plus worms in a Rubbermaid tub. Days later, I had mass exodus. I didn't mess with it much after that except for occasionally throwing some rabbit poop and a glass of water in it. Yesterday, I found a small ball of worms in a corner of the bin. The spot they were in was moister than the rest of the bin, so I added a few cups of rabbit poo and water. With my new found interest in these wiggly redworms, I have found all of you quite helpful. . .even the newbs. I am going to start sprinkling a little of the oatmeal/cornmeal/eggshell mix to see if I can get the population up. Thanks everyone!

    Bookmark   March 12, 2014 at 8:06AM
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equinoxequinox

Most of us do not use the Waterford for the worms just an old plastic jug :-) If the bin had sat for a bit before the worms were added they may have stayed. If the bin was near your rabbit cages the worms no doubt found the rabbit poo and are living happily ever after. As for the ones left behind they might enjoy some scraps from the kitchen cutting board. What do you have around that is free to use as bedding? Think shredded cardboard, spoiled hay, peanut shells. Are the bins in a shaded area?

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MaryAnn1950

HELP !!!!! I just started a SFG and want to compost. I saw something on vermicomposting and would like to try that. I will have to keep my bins outside away from the house and elevated due to being near wetlands. I live in zone 9 HOT but I do have some shade. I want to make my own composting bins. I have found single,two tiered and three tiered ones. but I haven't seen a place that tells me what goes where! (worms, NP, compost, food scraps) a real newbie. Can someone help me ? MA

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 8:41PM
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jasdip

MaryAnne,
Why don't you do what most of us did when we first started, and that is by reading thru the wealth of information offered here.

Go to the bottom and read from the last number to the front. These are your history and every conceivable question has been asked, and answered.

You can even use the Search button.

Really, read everything you can get your hands on, and this site is fantastic. Instead of just saying "Help, how do I get started?"

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 9:42PM
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chuckiebtoo

MaryAnne: Sometimes when starting out, this stuff seems way more complicated than what it really is.

It often proves best to start off simple...like with a one-bin plastic tote....and grow with the herd.

And reading the archives will really help out.

Chuckiebtoo

    Bookmark   June 19, 2014 at 10:52PM
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equinoxequinox

MaryAnn1950 some items you will want to vermicompost and other items you will want to regular compost. Browns are the bedding. They are things like fallen leaves, egg cartons, paper towel tubes, straw. Greens are the food. They are things like strawberry hulls, bunny poop, watermelon rind. Other additions are crushed eggs shells and apparently toe nail clippings. Any plastic that is not removed prior to feeding will be there when you harvest such as stickers stuck to fruit, plastic silverware, shredded plastic envelope windows.

    Bookmark   June 20, 2014 at 6:41AM
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MaryAnn1950

thanks and I have been reading posts on almost every site and I fear there is just so MUCH out there that my brain is on overload. If I start can someone tell me how to make the bin .Or send me to a site that deals with this IN DETAIL. I know there has to be bedding on the bottom. I have questions like when and how do I get the compost out? Equinoxequinox IS this the way you layer brown then green. When I get my worms do I put them in first and then start layering. . I do want to start as my garden is in and I want to start getting some compost going.I also have a husband who is a likes FORMAL yard so I have to deal with where to put my compost and vermicomposting bins .thanks for all the help

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equinoxequinox

Some people layer. Some people bury the food in little piles in the bedding. Some Shake N Bake it all together. Many people let the bin sit for a bit before adding the little guys.

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MaryAnn1950

Ok I found instructions for a flow thru bin. so I have made that. now for the NP and I have already been saving veggie scraps and coffee and tea grinds so I will put them in along with come black kow and order my worms from Uncle Jims ! Red wigglers??? or is there a better choice.?My husband may sneek a few out to fish with when the grands are here ! I am biting the bullet !

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 4:22PM
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MaryAnn1950

Is colored glossy NP ok for worms? I know I have read it should not be used in reg. compost

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 4:45PM
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chuckiebtoo

Everything you ask is pretty "up to you". Almost all methods will work. Some people say one thing, some say something else.

Here's what I do:

1. Use red wigglers. They're smaller, do everything faster, and will not be a favorite fish bait for your husband unless he's bream fishing. So you'll have less bin "shrinkage".
2. Place the food in a little spot on top of the bedding and cover it with shredded newspaper. FEED THE WORMIES AGAIN WHEN THAT LITTLE PILE OF FOOD HAS DISAPPEARED. And place it in a different place (all the way across the bin is good).

The main reason for top-feeding is because.....well, they are by definition "top feeders". Plus, it'll keep them from laying around down in the bottom getting less active.

3. And when you receive the wormies, place them into the readied bin along with a little, or all, of the shipping materials they are accustomed to. That will save you the disaster of a mass evacuation that can cause lots of problems for the worms, your worming ambitions, family "togetherness", and confidence in anything we try to tell you about anything "worm" ever again.

Chuckiebtoo

Just saw the "glossy, colored NP" post: No. The colored ink is ok now, but the glossy stuff causes the wormies to go all Hollywood on you.

This post was edited by chuckiebtoo on Sat, Jun 21, 14 at 17:45

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 4:53PM
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MaryAnn1950

thanks, My red wigglers should be here next week !
when the grandkids are here we all fish for bream but he like to bass fish mostly. I'll have him stock up on fishing worms. Can different types of worms be mixed?

    Bookmark   June 21, 2014 at 7:02PM
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msmorningsong(SW FL 10A)

Scroll down a bit here for pictures of how to set up simple worm bin MaryAnn. Another Poster here linked this, and I found it invaluable for a beginner.
http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/vermiculture-worm-composting-diy/64455

Here is a link that might be useful: First Worm Bin w/Pictures & Tutorial

    Bookmark   June 22, 2014 at 2:52PM
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MaryAnn1950

thanks, msmorningsong. this is great. It is somewhat like the one I built. I will put in some more holes before my worms come. It suggests 1000 to 2000 worms but I only ordered 500. guess I should order more. I am feeling better about this ! My biggest concern is that I live in Florida and moving my bin indoors is not an option. I saw where frozen water bottles were used. might have to do that. cold weather is not going to be a problem.

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11otis

MaryAnn1950: Another option instead of buying more worms, you could put a divider of several layers of corrugated cardboard to "make" the bin "smaller". Move it according to increase of population/contents to make it "bigger".
Use the other half to store bedding or extra food.

    Bookmark   June 23, 2014 at 5:44PM
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MaryAnn1950

sounds good with the cardboard.. Is it really obvious when the population starts to increase?

    Bookmark   June 24, 2014 at 12:40PM
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dbobul

Im new to raising worms and even newer to GardenWeb. I was really excited to see that there was a designated section for vermicomposting. Im glad that if questions do come up there is a community here for me to have address my concerns (or joys). Long live this forum!

Im starting small (real small) with my setup. I've added a photo for all of you. I used to feed storage buckets. I cute long trips out of the bottom one to help keep the two buckets from sticking together, a tough job to separate once the whole setup was up and running. The screen is hot glued all the way around leaving all my little guys hopelessly trapped to fulfill my vermicomposting needs. Its been up and running for jut over a month now and I'm having pretty good results with it. There is around 250 red wigglers in there.

So happy I found this forum.

    Bookmark   June 27, 2014 at 12:11AM
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MaryAnn1950

I was out of town for two days zone 9 . I put an frozen blue ice container in the worm bin. when I got home the first thing I cked were MY worms. My husband laughed. they had hidden deeper in the bed. this morning they were attacking the watermelon rind!. My question is how often should I be feeding them ? should I wait until all the rind and other veg scraps are gone or just add food daily. I have a good bit stored up already. Have been Just waiting for the worms to arrive. I am having problems posting photos. I did put a cardboard divider in the bin since I only ordered 500 worms.

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pskvorc(3)

"How often should I feed them?"

I'm a novice wormer, (about 4 months at it) but I'm "old" and I have grown a lotta things in my day. It is my opinion that people do more "harm" to their "wards" - be they plants or animals - by OVER feeding than they do by "starvation". As a general rule, I lean toward "starving" my plants and animals as opposed to over-feeding them. With regard to my worms in indoor bins: They are gonna get fed when there is no visible "food" in the bin. That said, MY interest in the worms is NOT "making soil". Neither is it finding a place for my kitchen scraps. My interest is making WORMS. Therefore, "you" may want to feed more frequently than I would.

Paul

    Bookmark   June 30, 2014 at 6:35PM
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pskvorc(3)

"How often should I feed them?"

I'm a novice wormer, (about 4 months at it) but I'm "old" and I have grown a lotta things in my day. It is my opinion that people do more "harm" to their "wards" - be they plants or animals - by OVER feeding than they do by "starvation". As a general rule, I lean toward "starving" my plants and animals as opposed to over-feeding them. With regard to my worms in indoor bins: They are gonna get fed when there is no visible "food" in the bin. That said, MY interest in the worms is NOT "making soil". Neither is it finding a place for my kitchen scraps. My interest is making WORMS. Therefore, "you" may want to feed more frequently than I would.

Paul

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chuckiebtoo

As Paul says, they should be fed when no visible previous feeding is evident. A feeding is better placed ON TOP of a small area of the bin. When that disappears, repeat in another place.

Always remember that just because you can't see a piece of the food doesn't mean that edible stuff isn't still there. Worms are a lot like us....they splurge on the new stuff and only go to the leftovers when no new stuff is handy.

Chuckiebtoo

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MaryAnn1950

thanks, I appreciate the help.
I may have too much food in there should I just let it be or try to get some out?

Mary Ann

    Bookmark   July 1, 2014 at 8:30AM
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MaryAnn1950

These are in my worm bin. What are they and should I be concerned?

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CarlosDanger(13)

Current participation lately is making this 9 year old warning more ominous than ever.

Chuckiebtoo was expressing a fear that the viability of the Vermicomposting blog was waning. That seems more true now than then.

CarlosDanger

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msmorningsong(SW FL 10A)

MaryAnn, read this about your maggots in with worms:
https://insects.tamu.edu/extension/publications/epubs/eee_00001.cfm

Here is a link that might be useful: Black Soldier Fly

    Bookmark   August 13, 2014 at 10:13AM
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mendopete

Carlos, I think it is a lull in the action. Summertime gets me busy outside. I post more in the winter due to weather and short days. When my squirm gets active again in the spring, I get excited and develop "worm-brain". When summer comes I get "fish-brain", and post on other forums. I still check here often, but it has been a little slow.
I miss CB2 posts! AWOL..... We need a little humor sometimes, and Chuckiebtoo delivers. I have learned my sarcasm does not translate well.

Good luck everyone and happy wormin'

Pete

    Bookmark   August 13, 2014 at 10:46AM
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pskvorc(3)

I'll second what Pete said about "seasonal" malaise of the forum. I see it on many forums at this time of year. Things will likely pick up when school starts. Remember that the original post was made NINE years ago and the forum is still alive and kicking.

Paul

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barbararose21101

I reviewed the original post to see what cb2 was looking for.
He wants new wormers.
I have a hunch he lurks.
One way to get his attention is provocation.
Let's see . . .
I think I know how to do that . . .

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 8:46PM
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CarlosDanger(13)

I also believe that cb2 is lurking...I mean, he's been posting here for all these years..., and I also must say that Paul, being a relatively new poster here, has little experience on THIS site to know that this lull is just seasonal.

I've never noticed slow-downs just because of a summer malaise or shopping for school supplies.

All that said, I would expect chuckiebtoo to show up sometime out of the blue. After all, he's retired before only to rear up again.

CarlosDanger

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pskvorc(3)

I'm a bit confused. Why does a thread started NINE YEARS AGO about the "demise" of this site STILL HAVE LEGS?

Oy!

Paul

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equinoxequinox

I don't know about legs. It's just real good at crawling.

Because people care about the forum and the health of the forum.

    Bookmark   August 20, 2014 at 10:51PM
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11otis

Now that many more people are worm farming, all the new stuff/problems from way back then are old now and many posters just don't feel like keep writing/answering the same over and over again. It's only sooo much/little one can take.
I'm waiting for a "unique" new thread. Don't have one myself, haven't tried anything new.

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equinoxequinox

"a "unique" new thread" agreed that an enticing first post or 87th post will always get a bevy of replies.

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equinoxequinox

Note: This forum has censored two prominent posters and deleted their posts. Each poster has a side. I protest due to censorship and lack or each side. Note this site is a money making proposition and we are but slaves working to earn them money. To think differently would be

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 3:39AM
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equinoxequinox

Readers should know that two, three, four or five posters with various opinions had massive posts deleted. This is unprecedented. I have seen empires turn to dust for much less. Yo guy from Alaska who claims to have two sites already. Do you want a vermicompost site too? Advertising revenue will follow. For a bit extra nemesis will follow. Cause that is who people really want to read.

When I start to see posts, good posts, long posts, vanish with no explanation, like don't you have an explanation button? then that lets me know I NEED A NEW SITE TO POST AT. Because this site committed the ultimate insult to its posters. This is probably my 10,000 post on vermicomposting sites. Perhaps your next post will be my 10,001 post elsewhere. Cause they are going to have to pay me if they want me to post here anymore because currently this site is a bit like Europe and their new laws for vacuums.

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Shaul(Israel)

Decisions, Decisions.
Do I write that possibly L-o-n-g-i-s-h post that I want to write (and take a chance on it being deleted), or do I just let you read my mind?
I think I'll take the Easy Way Out.
Now Remember, if you Concentrate Real Hard and Focus, you'll know Exactly what I want to say.

Shaul

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pskvorc(3)

Let's clear the air a bit if possible.

equinoxequinox, feel free to use my name. I'm not sure why you chose not to. Maybe for fear of censorship. I think you hit the nail on the head with the commercial nature of this website. For what it's worth, neither of my other forums derive financial support from advertising. And THAT is neither advertising "for" those sites, nor an attempt to get people "here" to go "there". Simply comment.

Since it was one of my posts that was deleted, I suppose I could be offended, but I'm not really. This site, like many others, is a COMMERCIAL site. They do not offer this site in order to "make a better world" nor to be "friendly". They operate this site to MAKE MONEY. I understand that. ANY activity that they PERCEIVE will diminish their revenue stream will be "dealt with accordingly". As I said, I understand. One should not expect a koala to behave like a snake and vice versa.

About the only things that I would like to see changed here at Garden Web is the addition of 1) A better editor that allows the use of more editing options so that the only option for emphasis is NOT capital letters, 2) "Stickies" - a means of permanently placing significant threads at a location where they can be easily found and referenced.

This site - Garden Web - especially for a commercial site, is the most "primitive" site I know of on the web. It would be easy to say "It's all about the money", but it isn't. It's about having the business acumen to recognize what increases "flow" in a revenue "stream". Being "primitive" does not increase "flow", and in fact can actually impede the "flow".

Garden Web is an interesting place. I've met some nice people here, as I do on every website I venture on to. There are a few sites in which the thugs that run the site have actually succeeded in driving me away permanently, but those are very few. Garden Web appears to have enough internet savvy to choose their words carefully when admonishing those that they perceive are threatening "harmony" AND thereby the revenue stream. Their actions in this particular matter seemed neither necessary nor "wise", but they weren't particularly heavy-handed other than the deletes.

So here's my take on the WHOLE matter:

1) Garden Web has NOT bent MY nose out of shape by deleting my post.

2) I hold no "grudges" against ANYONE here at the vermicomposting site. Based on first-hand experience, I strongly suspect that there isn't a poster on this site with whom I wouldn't enjoy spending an evening.

Let's move on to new and better WORMY stuff.

Paul

This post was edited by pskvorc on Sat, Aug 23, 14 at 11:19

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equinoxequinox

No posts of mine were deleted that I know of. We do not know what posts are missing. I know some are missing.

It was a light hand. The posts did not mention worms much.

That I know of at least three posters had their posts deleted.

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pskvorc(3)

"The posts did not mention worms much" is a salient point, that should not be overlooked.

For those that want to see what I posted, you can send me an email.

Paul

    Bookmark   August 23, 2014 at 3:20PM
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