different leaf shape on a MG vine ( I think)

debraq(z7LI*NY)September 24, 2008

I have a mixture of MG's growing, am new to learning about them, having previously only grown them according to color. But this year I have noticed a few vines with different shaped leafs. Not the usual heart shaped kind but ones with almost a Fleur de lis pattern. three distinct parts making up the whole leaf. I know its hard without a picture, but don't own a digital camera. One of the other members has a picture of a MG vine with the very leafs I am talking about, LittleB, I think is her name(Asking to ID her MG). Can anyone help me? Thanks for all advice,

Deb

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debraq(z7LI*NY)

the person is LittleOneFB and the post that shows the similar leaf is from Sept 9, asking Ron a question from her to him. The leaf I have is not varigated, and is very similar to the shape of her pic but not exactly the same. Her leaf is sort of more broken and mine are smoother. The flowers colors are all different, very pretty but also smaller than ususal MG's.
thanks, hope this further info helps .

    Bookmark   September 24, 2008 at 1:30PM
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littleonefb(zone 5, MA)

Hi Deb,

Can you tell me what color the flower is? What the flower looks like?

The japanese type morning glory usually have leaves that are not the typical heart shape leaf.

Could it be the ivy leaf MG that looks like this? the flower is about 1 1/2 inch.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2008 at 5:05PM
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ron_convolvulaceae

Debra - The most reliable way to identify the species is by using the Sepal Key that I posted previously...

Ipomoea hederacea,Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea can all have tri-lobed leaves...

Take a look at the lower portion of the reply that I posted in the thread that I will link to and look at the sepals...

You might also have something like
Ipomoea cordatotriloba
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/9060/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/167592/
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/8385/
seedpods
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/170278/

Hope that helps...

Ron

Here is a link that might be useful: Thread that includes Sepal Key links for MG species Identification

    Bookmark   September 24, 2008 at 9:28PM
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debraq(z7LI*NY)

Thanks for all this info.
Yes, littleoneFB, these are exactly like the leaves on my vine but the flower is totally different. Its much smaller, and very pink almost a fuchsia/purple color with white all around the very edges. Its about 1 inch total in diameter. The thing is, the flower is elusive and seems to be gone sooner than I can catch it open. Its very pretty. The other vine with the same leaves, I haven't seen the flower but I know it has bloomed as I've seen the flower seedpod which is really strange. Its growing up rather than the MG type which grows down and it has very long feathery type things. But they don't look green and healthy, rather yellow and spindly. I only have maybe 5 seeds from the vines and I am not sure they are fully ripe.
I appreciate all the help from both you and Ron. Boy, I feel so silly for not keeping accurate records, both when planting and growing.
Do ONLY Japanese MG have these type leaves?
Thanks again for all your help,
Debra

    Bookmark   September 28, 2008 at 8:49PM
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ron_convolvulaceae

Hi Deb,

The tri-lobed leaves can occur on many different species as I had mentioned above

"Ipomoea hederacea,Ipomoea nil and Ipomoea purpurea can all have tri-lobed leaves..."

Please send me photos via my email of the specific parts that you are mentioning that could benefit from clarification...

The plant that you are describing with the relatively small flowers that are "pink almost a fuchsia/purple color" could be
Ipomoea triloba
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/171509/
the leaves on Ipomoea triloba can vary from heart shaped to fully tri-lobed...

The other possibility is that both of the types that you are describing could be
Ipomoea lacunosa
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/90865/
seedpod capsule with prominent hairs
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/127302/
which usually has white blooms but can also have a purplish colored bloom very closely related to Ipomoea triloba and very similar in appearance...

I'm not entirely sure what you mean when you say that something is growing down rather than up...are you referring to the entire plant (?) or the seedpod stalk (pedicel) (?)...also the 'feathery' parts that you are seeing would be much easier to identify by a photo...

Photos would help tremendously as a picture is truly worth a thousand words...

Hope that helps you to help us to help you...(!)

Ron

Here is a link that might be useful: Ipomoea lacunosa in the PlantFiles...

    Bookmark   September 30, 2008 at 6:57AM
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