This is what is being reported in the news and I was wondering what the title might be. Perhaps you could suggest one...
I'd rather not, Tobr...
Com'on! It!s Friday! Time for some fun!
There is no weekend for me, so... I'll pass. Trust me... you don't want me to title that particular story. ;-)
Yes I do! Please don't make me beg...
Fun in the Oval Orifice.
Good! Now we are getting started...
Someone is paying $12 M for old news that has been told a million times. Wanna bet it's the Republicans trying to bring up old dirt so they can discredit Clinton ' casue they are worried he is too effective a surrogate...Mitt has 12 Million to spare!
I think it will be out for the Holiday Season. Should be on many wish lists...
"How To Get Ahead in The White House"
...I'm going fishing today, bye
"It's not who you know... it really IS who you (insert verb here)!"
Jodik, nice,, but no cigar...
LOL !!! Thanks for getting my day back on track!!!! Good fishing!
I hear the Long Island Medium is channeling a tell all from Missy Lehand!
She was probably overpaid.
Gads, could Monica be one of Romney's 47%! She's floundered for years. Although she did get a masters in social psychology from the London School of Economics, she was lousy with her stint at designing handbags. One of those toxic people no one will hire because of her association with Clinton.
Now according to Monica - she's alone, approaching middle age, and needs the money.
Wasn't the original title give the Dog a Bone!
Men With Big Desks
The porn movie adaptation... An Oral History of the Oval Orifice...
Ok, Tobr... here's how I really say it:
It's not who you know, or who you (verb here); it's whether or not you swallow.
That's right... I'm rude, crude, and socially unacceptable!
Posted by kwoods Cold z7 Long Is (My Page) on
Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 12:52
I have to admit the play on words made me smile.
You successfully avoided being crude by being imaginative, kwoods.
I hope she makes a fortune.
Her entire life will be nothing but snickers and jokes for doing what a lot of people have done--they just got "caught."
But not Bill, he's as popular as ever.
The whole thing, to me, just smacks of cruddy. I don't know who buys these kinds of books or downloads them onto whatever device they download to or who will stand in line at bookstores for Monica's "On My Knees" signing tours.
The one I see being hurt by this is Hillary and any 2016 Presidental bid she might contemplate. And that means Bill might not be wandering White House hallways as First Spouse... which I believe is something he really wants.
Here is a link that might be useful: Monica's revenge
Ms. Lewinsky already peddled her story. There can't be that much of a market for rehashed White House tell-alls.
Now the Huffington Post has just reported there'll be no new book.
"Monica's Story" by Andrew Morton was pretty much a dud. To steal from Fox News and paraphrase a multitude of reviewers, "We read it so you don't have to."
She could have done voice for her own audio book..... tag line from the marketing dept, " ... from the mouth that stained a nation."
Where are the conspiracy theorists? Was she paid off sometime between Richards 4:25 AM post and now?
Monica's life might be a series of jokes and innuendos, but who chased whom? She flung herself at him with her thong and inappropriate remarks. Bill was a womanizer and he certainly isn't/ wasn't the only one in DC. But no, I have no pity for her. She was the instigator. He did wrong but so did she and almost brought down the country.
He did wrong but so did she and almost brought down the country.
Monica Lewinsky had no power to "bring down the country."
Bill Clinton's lies almost did that.
As I said, I am convinced that this new take on a very old scandal is simply to discredit President Clinton because he is such an effective surrogate for President Obama.
What other reason would there be to bring this up? None..
Demi, on this you and I agree.
Monica is still the only person in that whole sordid affair who bears the same brunt of jokes, cruelty and even hate as she did when the story was unfolding --- everyone else was allowed to go on with their lives and leave this mess behind them, in most of the public's mind.
Bill went on and has done very well for himself in the private sector, Hillary was forgiven for not leaving him, Chelsea has probably never been embarrassed by having the subject brought up in her presence on purpose, more than likely, because he was, after all, her beloved father. Bill has polished his reputation from that period of time because we let him do it - we will never allow Monica the same.
Only Monica gets stuck without being able to move on with her life, though she has done everything I would be able to think of by this point to do so.
I thought she took low and undeserved hits then and I still think so now. She was in her very early 20's and an intern in the White House, more than likely immature for her age regarding her decision making skills, impulse control and the ability to see how it all could adversly effect her entire life for a very, very long time.
Who would have ever thought that 'long time' of punishment could mean forever - all her life.
Very few of us could claim excellent behavior at the age she was at when this took place.
I figure that many parents were spared by the knowledge of our own bad behavior, many of us are spared the consequence of our own bad and very embarrassing behavior, we have been spared public exposure and are able to make our livings without people snickering about that stupid time back when we were 23 or so when argueably the most powerful man in the world did the dance of seduction with us - a man easily old enough to be her father plus, a man who had indulged in this behavior countless times in the past and denied it, a man who then referred to her as "that woman."
At least she can arrange to support herself through her old age. Bill had no such worry, his future was always secure.
I know that people will get angry at my defense regarding Monica but I ALWAYS felt like she was turned on because after all, liberals couldn't very well turn on their own president in their frustration. Liberals didn't get the seat in the White House often enough to trash it or him.
Imagine if she was one of our daughters, the anger we would feel about how she has been treated and thought of since this thing actually did end with Bill's final days in the White House. I would be incredibly resentful were she my daughter. She was barely out of her teens, Bill was 50.
When my husband was in the military, his office bought a new vaccum and they all named it Monica. I was really offended by that - it wasn't funny to me, not at all, and I've got a terrific sense of humor.
Some of those men had daughters who were going to behave badly for a while when they were young, too. The men were spared the world reacting to those daughter's immoral behavior- and they would never have to worry about a freaking vaccum named after her in a cruel joke.
I get worked up over Monica L. and how a nation of adults treated that young woman barely out of high school. We will never let her forget it, ever.
I hope she doubles that money by a follow on book and interviews etc. Lord knows she will have earned very dime from the blood suckers who want her to pay for as long as she is alive for making their Bill look like the pig he behaved like when he was our President - and before then, too.
He had a problem with moral corruption when he was so powerful. He treated women very badly.
He was an excellent president, he was one lousy man of zero character during that time of supreme power in his life.
But Monica still pays.
I hope she is careful with her money and is able to live her life with some dignity and graciousness and that she surrounds herself with people who treats her well and thinks highly of who she is, disregarding what she did when she was young and stupid and promiscuous.
I wonder if anyone, after making fun of Monica, wonders what their own very young daughters are doing tonight, and if it is poor sexual behavior, if will be splashed over the evening news for the next few years, branding her name in America's brain forevermore?
Well, I guess everyone now knows how I think of this subject!
"Monica does Bubba"
"Deep Throat: Part II"
"Caught with his Pants Down!"
"How slick is Willie's Dick?"
Give me a few more minutes, I'll come up with more...
THERE'S your title! LOL
Thank you mylab for saying it so well. I have only sons, but I know that at 21 they were still young and stupid. Monica has been treated like trash from the beginning. She was in awe of the attentions of the most powerful man in the world. I hope she gets every dime of that 12 million.
The Monica affair was certainly not an impreachable offense, and Starr was a jerk of the first water. And the president was all grown up and knew better. She, according to the president, did not throw him under the bus. He accepted the culpability for the whole sordid business, and the public should let him do that.
If she writes that book, I'll read it.
Brava, Mylab, I completely agree with you. Your point about how people would feel if their own child made scandalous, galactic headlines was very good. Of course, some will say "Well, MY child would never do that." Truth is, one never knows what will befall one's offspring. Count yourselves fortunate indeed if it has been smooth sailing.
I read that the book deal is off. So Monica is still not cleared for an easy old age.
Except no one died when Clinton lied.
Bush lied people died.
Yep. Such a see-through.
@mylab123 Kudos to you
Of course I don't hate Monica. I loathe the notion that youth excuses anything. I certainly don't begrudge her making a buck out of a painful period in her life.
There are countless interns every year that don't have dalliances with their bosses.
While I don't find Monica to be a particlarly sympathetic figure, like labrea, I don't hate her or wish her any more ill than she's already brought upon herself.
Though being star struck in the face of power isn't uncommon, at 20 she should have at the very least been able to have considered the unintended consequences of her actions.
Oh, I don't know, Nancy... it's election time, perfect timing for rehashing old political garbage and trying to sculpt it into something that might appeal to certain consumer tastes, I suppose... though, I don't know how many ways one can tell the same story, or what one might fill the rest of the pages with.
I think the whole issue is talked about now because the Right hate it that the president they vilified is so loved now, and their president is still not liked and ignored.
That said, I DO feel sorry for Monica. I have lost touch with what she's been doing since the episode. I know she was young, but old enough to not make a decision like that... to make a pass to the president of the United States. I hope she finds a nice man and settles down in a normal life. I wish her well.
I can't imagine how her exploits could be expanded into a book. A pamphlet, maybe.
LOL, Steve! Maybe that's it... she's putting out an informational brochure. A step-by-step guide, if you will. ;-)
I hope she got counseling. I l know he did don't know if he still does & what kind it is.
Posted by steve2416 z7 NC (My Page) on Sat, Sep 22, 12 at 13:56
"I can't imagine how her exploits could be expanded into a book. A pamphlet, maybe."
Seeing as this relationship went on for while, the "exploits" of Monica and the president must be a story--why, where, declarations made, etc.
The president did get private counseling and he and Hillary got marriage counseling. It is kind of you, Labrea, to wonder if Monica also participated in counseling. I would think that would be in her book, too--if she writes it.
Okay. Obviously no one here has read Andrew Morton's Monica's Story. Me included since it would probably read like a 16 year old's - diary complete with lipstick imprints and tear stained runny inked passages.
As for therapies - I hope they availed themselves to the best that could be found.
But here is a piece of interest from the NYT. If you can make it through that, click the Time's Link for a review.
Here is a link that might be useful: NYT story & review
I read your link; too trite for me. Thanks anyway. I think her own story has got to be more interesting, and hopefully better written.
Well, I read your linked selection, duluth, and must say I don't appreciate being exposed to the "true romance" version of the White House memoirs. Lots of heaving breasts and so forth, you know. LOL
and must say I don't appreciate being exposed to the "true romance" version of the White House memoirs. Lots of heaving breasts and so forth, you know.
Now see? there we go again disagreeing! Nothing wrong at all with heaving breasts! :-)
back to the OP-- I'm glad to see her getting something out of all this. She got destroyed by the Clintons and the media. Hopefilly, she'll take this and shrink off into obscurity the rest of her life.
I almost made it through all these posts without seeing Bush's name and bam, there it is. At least he's not blamed for Bill being a whore in the White House. LOL
I hope Monica gets all 12 million because she was the one to pay the ultimate price for her bad judgement. I hope after she becomes a millionaire she sends a thank you card to that horse who brought this entire scandal to light. What was her name? Bill is another fine example of money can't buy you class.
This book is going to be very hard on Hillary. I wonder if she's pretty much had it with public life; no one could fault her for that if she has.
As Seth Myers of SNL said tonight...this is sooooo 1998.
Yes yes we all know. Blowjobs are much worse than starting wars and killing hundreds of thousands of people.
It's them "values" again.
No, worrying about blowjobs, instead of the terrorist that's planning to blow up your country is just as bad.
It's just another distraction, Maddie, keeping our interest elsewhere while those "values" are put into play... you know how it is.
"No, worrying about blowjobs, instead of the terrorist that's planning to blow up your country is just as bad.
I agree Bill, the repub congress should have been more concerned with other important matters. :)
Agreed. Along with Clinton. But it wasn't Congress that called of the strike at the last minute that would've killed Bin Laden, and instead got the person helping us to get Bin Laden, killed.
Posted by jodik 5 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 23, 12 at 9:58
"It's just another distraction, Maddie, keeping our interest elsewhere while those "values" are put into play... you know how it is."
It's hard to think of anything much more distracting that a blow job. Maybe Monica was a plant.
I'm sure President Clinton, with his exceptionally brilliant mind, spent much time focused on important matters. A blow job from a pretty young woman now and again is just a momentary stress-reliever. Not something I considered an important matter of state back in 1998, nor now.
It's not the act that mattered it was where he committed it, in our house. Yes, our house, the one we entrusted to him to respect and care for. Shows you how much respect for us he had when he has none for his own wife and daughter. Like I said, you can't buy class. I voted for the creep so don't defend him to me. I have every right to insult him since he showed me how much my vote meant to him.
GGM - so, since you voted for Clinton, you feel cheated because he cheated on his wife and I guess you feel he cheated on you? And wow, that makes you so mad. Did you perhaps vote for GWB? Were you upset that he lied you into a baseless war that killed hundreds of thousands of people? Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen you be upset by that. Perhaps that was before I was here?
I'm always amazed. No, I don't condone what Clinton did. I certainly do not support cheating on one's spouse. But, really, it's none of my business. It was and is Hillary's problem.
Yet, the next President lies to us and gets us into a war based on lies and kills, yes kills, so many innocent people, and if any liberals bring that up, well we need to stop mentioning Bush.
The hypocrisy is just amazing. To me, anyway.
I'm sure President Clinton, with his exceptionally brilliant mind, spent much time focused on important matters. A blow job from a pretty young woman now and again is just a momentary stress-reliever.
If this were Bush or some other republican president and I said the same thing, I KNOW I'd be torn to shreads for objectifying women, the mysogenist that I must be.
jill..Totally agree. The amount of time trying to bring Clinton down was laughable across the world. The outrage of the GOP was so out of balance. I never condoned anything Clinton did with Monica, but it was private between the two of them and his family when they found out. Bet you old Bill would win in a landslide if it were possible for him to run again. George Bush couldn't win a mayor race in a small town, he is so despised. But if you pay attention, none of the Righties on HT ever mention his name or criticize the wars he led us into, the thousands and thousands of people dead because of him , Cheney and gang. They never mention the surplus Bush was given by Clinton, do they?
Hundreds of thousands of dead people, killed by the lying Liar Bush. Yet a blowjob is worse.
Maddie, that was never the point I was coming from, regarding Monica and the terrible treatment the country gave her. Yes she was promiscuous and behaved very badly but Clinton was clearly the adult, the man in power, the person who should have turned her around and sent her home - out of D.C.
I dont mean for this topic to be a distraction from any other topic under dicussion - I see this as a separate and distinct topic of discussion 'Monica Lewinsky and the results of the treatment of her from her own country'.
We forgave Clinton of his terrible behavior (and terrible behavior to the women he dalllied with, remember the distain he had for the women as he denied and denied) = he is again held in great regard (as he should be) but Monica?
What would it be like if Bush and a very young intern played out this very same story. I am positive down to my bones that the young girl would have been portrayed by liberals as a victim and treated with kindness, to a fault more than likely.
What Bush did with his wars and the excellent shape country Clinton left us has, imo, nothing to do with the subject of Monica and how this country treated her then and thinks of her to this very day. There was so absolution for Monica.
Yes, youth is not a valid excuse, but it does provide an explaination for the poor behavior and poor judgement by Monica.
President Clinton has no explaination to fall back on - he had his terrible history with women when he was Governor of Arkansas - this was certainly NOT his first dalliance or the first time he was caught in his bad behavior -
It was his job as the adult (much less as a powerful leader of a nation) to tell her no, send her home and out of D.C. - he was the powerful adult in this situation, not an equal in any way.
He was well into middle age, she was not all that much older than his own young daughter. A difference which is imo worthy to ponder but never was by this country.
Monica and her treatment she endured from her own country - this is a chapter within a huge story I was discussing with distress - an isolated topic of discussion - having nothing to do with Clinton's Presidency or Bush and his wars.
That is how I see this subject to be. Not a simple distraction. I think it to be a worthy topic to ponder why we react the way we do as a people. It's so often very perplexing, without a lot of logic behind the reaction.
That is how it strikes me, anyway - and the Monica L story, imo, is an excellent example of where we go very wrong with our reaction imo.
The guy had a weak moment, showing his very human side. So what? What happens within the personal lives of people should not reflect so much on their public abilities.
On the other hand, he did have a small responsibility to show a better example than he did... but it's all in the distant past, and shouldn't really matter.
Why is it being brought up at this particular time? Because it's the perfect opportunity to sell something with political connotations.
Whoah Mylab I'm with you there.
True, both were at fault. She, for advancing him, she was old enough to know that one doesn't approach a married man (or woman), and he for not turning her down. But yes, Lewinsky clearly is a victim of double standards.
A victim in more than one way--just recall Gingrich trying to impeach Clinton, while he was busy cheating on his own wife.
My comments were about the rightwingers' attempts at still smearing Clinton, over a blowjob, while, when it comes to Bush, whose lies killed hundreds of thousands there's nothing but silence. Deadly silence. From the morally bankrupt.
If your husband ever had any weak moments would you be so blas�?
If Clinton had originally manned up, instead of lying to the public it would have been a relative non issue. People can forgive a stupid lapse in judgement, but a straight out lie is bad. Made Monica look like a liar, Hillary look like a fool and he played the American people.
GGM, if Clinton had arraigned meeting Monica in a hotel room that would have made a big difference to you?
That's what everyone's favorite, JFK did... besides using the White House, he had a suite on the 8th floor of the Mayflower Hotel always at the ready for his extramarital affairs.
While I think Clinton was a great President, I do not admire him for his apparent sexual weakness (same goes for Eliot Spitzer - great politician). Not because he had an affair - that is between him and his wife - but because of the circumstances he chose. He should have chosen a more mature and discrete partner, and done it on his off time. (Apparently he didn't take much time off?)
This sexual weakness is one that I don't think his successor GWB shared. However, he apparently had a weakness for alcohol and drugs.
In either case, I don't consider a President's personal weaknesses, which we ALL have, to be important matters of state - unless they interfere egregiously with their responsibilities as a public servant.
From the Wiki link, she hasn't been doing to badly for herself - endorsement deals, a degree from the London School of Economics, and it would appear, generally getting on with life.
Here is a link that might be useful: link
"(same goes for Eliot Spitzer - great politician)"
I'm sorry but I just have to ask.... WHAT?!
Spitzer was a HORRIBLE politician... he is an intelligent man, a great prosecutor and AG, might have even ended up being a decent governor. The reason he was exposed was because of his tactics and the political enemies he made during his ascension. He prosecuted some serious wall street exec evil doers and then immediately took on Joe Bruno and the entire morass that was the NY State legislature using bullying tactics. Political kamikaze is more like it.
Back to Monica...
lavender, you summed it up just right.
Great prosecutor, AG, and decent governor - how does that not make him a good politician? Was he not diplomatic enough not to make mortal enemies?
Anyway, the comparison was that he did great things, but apparently had the same sexual weakness that Clinton had, which has tarnished their greatness.
No, we should stop mentioning ONLY Bush.
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, Powell, etc
Indeed, we need to be reminded about all of them besides just Bush. Thankfully several of the lower level Bush jerks like Rove and the white mustashe UN idiot now work for Fox as "experts"....experts at making a living spreading old lies as new truths.
I repeat, if Rove spend millions supporting a candidate, run away as fast as your legs can take you in the opposite direction. Otherwise we have learned NOTHING!
What Clinton did was nothing like what went on in the Kennedy White House. He had naked women in his elevator. Frick and Frack were lovely young women who worked at the WH and went for lunch time naked swims in the WH pool with him. One lovely young intern just wrote a book last year about having a two year long affair with him when she worked in the WH .She was in college and would commute down weekends to DC. He'd put her up in Jackie's bedroom when she was out of town. And yet he is one of the most popular presidents we had.
Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for my sex life...