It seems that the filthy rich got filthier while the Occupiers just got filthy. The pundits debated whether this movement would have legs and it seems that it didn't., too bad, and on this we can all agree...
It didn't take a genius to predict that people would get tired of living on the street while everyone else would continue doing what they normally do.
I walked by 2 very clean occupiers last night when I exited work. Clean and well scrubbed...and very solitary.
I was by the occupy NY settlement many times. They were clean, neat & organized .. except for the homeless & mentally ill who hung out there ( they were not part of the movement)
I'm not surprized they went away,after all they were removed by force & banned by law.
Wall Street waited them out?
Not that difficult, I guess. The protest didn't actually affect the life of the average target of the protesters. As pn said, everyone else just continued to do what they normally do. Media got bored of reporting on them.
They are doing what they were told to do. Go home clean up and work the system from within. The demonstration brought enough attention to get people in one place to discuss how to get results.
Many of the ones in PA have been working to get our local political official elected. There are 5 attorneys that I know that are doing things behind the sense.
You do not see the Tea party on the streets anymore either?
My Mom use to say. Every goodby is not gone, and every shut eye is not sleep.
'Our' occupiers were kindly asked to leave their camp by 9/15. On last night's local newscast the video showed an empty and pretty clean area ( from what I could see).
Here is a link that might be useful: Tampa Occupiers
Not in attendance does not mean down and out, by a long shot. Marquest is right... behind the scenes is where the action is.
And, no... I'm not correcting Marquest's spelling. Proper grammar, spelling and punctuation count for nothing here. I'm much more interested in context, comprehension, and the truth.
Ours still congregate on the corner of Main and Market every Friday for a few hours around noon, holding up signs. If the 'honk if you support' cacophony is any indication, they still have considerable support.
Jodik, even if you corrected spelling, grammar or punctuation it would not bother me. Elvis does it and I have said it dose not bother me either. It is not a pet peeve for me or a insecurity I have. I know some are insecure and have to be right or cannot be seen as making a mistake. Not my problem. I have a healthy ego insecure will never be my problem.
I appreciate your input.
Worse, the 99% still exists.
In California, they're working with people who are facing foreclosure.
Cool, Marquest. It was because of the usual and expected corrections that I added that line. For me, spelling has just always come easily... though, I readily admit to being terrible at math! :-)
Back to the originally scheduled program...
Fake tea party=Failure.
That's what happened.
Since the Tea party is a fake grassroots organization backed by the ultra-rich, does that make the Occupiers 'Real" by the rule of double negativity?
Occupy did what countless protest movements have done before them: lost support when they failed to clarify their goal/objectives/tactics/leads/budgets/timetables/message(s),...; splintered into the Committed and the Occasionals when the arrests started happening and so many Occupiers focused on the police & confrontations over harassing the banks/corporations/elites; moved on to something new, but learned some basics about how America really works politically and economically that they'll carry forever.
The online segment of Occupy continues more strongly than the in real life version of it does now, becoming indistinguishable from Anonymous at times. I'd consider the Occupy movement as a pivotal historical moment of 2011, but no longer a practical institution for taking back wealth and democracy from the elites and their institutions.
They will come back, though the movement may well mutate into another form. The problems that the Occupiers had attempted to confront have only worsened.
I'm part of that 99% who work for a living and today I couldn't afford all the groceries I needed but the woman in front of me had $290 worth of food which included 16 filet steaks and when it came time to pay she whipped out her FS card to pay for $130, then whipped out cash for the balance. What percentage is she? The percentage that is ripping me and other tax payers off while people are worrying about what the 1% are not doing. That 1% was not committing fraud today in the grocery but I can garauntee you this woman was!!! I know this because people who get food stamps don't have $160 cash to pull out to pay for all those extras. This woman is ripping me off as well as those who are truly needy. Shame on her. It took everything in me not to say something to her.
She worries me a lot more than that 1% you are so obsessed about because her kind are the thieves bankrupting this country not the 1%.
You didn't make a citizens arrest?
Is Molly really demi?
I doubt Molly is Demi. I honestly think that IT may be SWANZ. It certainly is not a REAL person.
I'd be interested in a list of which groceries you needed but did not get?
How many more threads are there where this little food stamp/EBT card story can be retold? Think I've seen it three times so far, but it's still relatively early.
Sorry, GGM. If you're looking for validation - look elsewhere.
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I hope you people truly find something better to do with your time in view of the fact that this tripe crosses your mind, much less that you find it necessary to post on this forum and discuss between yourselves.
Why do any of you care about who people are, what they do here? I don't get the nosiness of some posters, the assumptions, the personal comments.
It is quite obvious that a some posters definitely make ground or some wouldn't bother to go to the trouble to bring in one's personal life or speculate about them, who they are, why they post, etc. I do not judge anyone's posts or opinions by where they live, what they do for a living, what they do not have, or what they have, how they look, their education level, or what they believe. I don't know and I couldn't care less. It's immaterial.
I would under some circumstances think it might be attempted humor, but people known for sarcasm and digs more than humor don't bring humor to mind.
If anyone can explain it, I'm open to something other than that conclusion.
I can't even count the number of stereotypical "food stamp tales" I've read in various forums and commentary sections around the web... always the same; only the names, items, and viewpoints have been changed to protect the innocent.
I'm not sure what state you have to live in, or how many babies you have "squeeze out" to get high amounts of public aid, but it sure ain't here! That much I can tell ya!
With November inching ever closer, we're bound to see the same talking points issued over and over, many partially disguised so they don't look too obvious or over used...
Well, I was in Walmart and in front of me, I saw a pregnant black woman with 6 kids all less than 5 years old an' she used her food stamps to buy a 1 kg tin of Almas' Beluga Caviar, whipping out her Gold Amex to pay for the difference. Left the cashier a $200 tip.
Anywho, in honor of the OWS, this article in the NYT this morning:
"ESSEX, N.Y. : Striding barefoot through the fields of his farm in the Adirondacks, S. B. Lewis, known as Sandy, is talking without pause, gesturing this way and that in a soft summer rain.
That Mr. Lewis is in a rage is not unusual. A few days earlier, he had watched as the computerized stock trading of Knight Capital ran amok.
"If Knight blows, six firms follow, and the whole corrupt thing goes up," he said. "Predator banks and hedge funds run the market for their pleasure - there's no rational structure, nothing!"
He is just warming up. News reports have revealed a world he knows intimately. Goldman Sachs pays vast fines to avoid prosecution for mortgage securities fraud. Barclays manipulates interest rates. The Senate exposes HSBC as a racketeering enterprise, laundering money for drug cartels. Banks are laden with bad assets.
And Wall Street, Washington, the press corps, everyone sits and stares like so many dumb cows.
"The complicity on Wall Street is sickness!" Mr. Lewis says. He fixes you with his laser stare. "If you think the big firms are being honest" - his tone slides streetwise - "well, sweetheart, go think something else!"
The temptation is to dismiss Mr. Lewis, 73, as a crank, except he once ruled as an eccentric genius of arbitrage, with a preternatural feel for the tectonic movements of the markets. He has railed for decades about venalities now on daily display. Rude truth is his currency.
He knows Wall Street's heights. He helped hire Michael R. Bloomberg, and he invested the money of two former Securities and Exchange Commission chairmen, making a fortune in the 1980s. And he knows its depths, since he pleaded guilty to stock manipulation in 1989, and was barred from the Street.
President Bill Clinton pardoned him, and a federal court judge later said Mr. Lewis acted out of pure reforming impulse.
But he remains in self-imposed exile.
Mr. Lewis wants to flip over Wall Street's paving stones and search for worms. He relies on his singular strength: he discerns patterns where most see random data. He forecast the financial meltdown of 2008 that vaporized Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers. In 2006, he warned a Bear Stearns executive: "Bear is toast. Get out now!"
Lehman Brothers, he notes, certified it was in good health in June 2008 and issued stock, attracting investment, including from the New Jersey Teachers' Pension and Annuity Fund. Secretly, Lehman was on an intravenous drip, poisoned by bad debt.
"My respect for their brains is too great to think Lehman's top guys didn't know they were conveying the cynical impression of health," Mr. Lewis said.
He is no less suspicious of Goldman Sachs, which has alumni sprinkled across the upper reaches of government. In a tough spot, Goldman obtained extraordinary permission to make an overnight metamorphosis from investment bank to traditional bank holding company.
"Can I prove this was a wired deal? Absolutely not," Mr. Lewis said. "Am I certain of it? Only 100 percent."
As for the whirling, three-million-shares-per-second casino of Wall Street? He sees it as rigged. "I would not risk stocks under any circumstances," he said, "because we don't know when this thing is going to blow."
Nothing about Mr. Lewis is easy. He delights in sending scabrous, insulting, free-associative mass e-mails to journalists, financiers and members of Congress. Show annoyance, and he doubles down. "You know what I do with tension?" he said. "I ratchet it up!"
Not surprisingly, some dismiss him as a nut. As striking are those who pay careful heed.
"Sandy's right; government created a banking oligopoly with no accountability," said Peter Solomon, a friend of Mr. Lewis's who runs an investment banking firm.
Arthur Aeder, a retired accounting executive, was twice fired by Mr. Lewis. "Not many antagonize Goldman just for the hell of it," Mr. Aeder said. "Most people think, 'I have a family to feed.' "
Mr. Lewis is no less harsh on himself. After a visit, he handed us laptops containing every furious e-mail he had sent and received over 10 years.
"The Wall Street ethic broke decades ago," he said by way of goodbye. "The stink is terrible." snip end quote
The article goes on for a few pages describing his history etc.
Here is a link that might be useful: link
LOL, no I'm not Demi and I'm not this SWANZ person, whoever that is. Don't insult Demi like that. I could never have her restraint or gift for expressing thoughts.
I see some of you think it's OK to commit fraud. I tell you there is no tax paying person out there who likes someone stealing from the government and abusing the tax money they pay into the system. It is obvious some of you do not pay taxes or you think the fairy godmother of taxes prints out money for these thieves who are abusing the system. Stay in the twillight zone if you may, but don't expect working people who pay taxes to sit back and ever think it's OK to steal from them. We want our money to be used for the right things like feeding the people who are truly needy. There are seniors out there who can't afford to eat because they have to buy medications. They don't have $160 to whip out to pay for 16 fillets of beef. They are lucky to afford spaghetti in a can. What I witnessed was the common food stamp thief. Yes, there are literally millions of them. I volunteer with my local meals on wheels so I know who is out there and I know who is being ignored while the thieves abuse the system.
stereotypical food stamp tales???? What exactly does that mean Jodik? Maybe it's because the "tales" are true, ever even consider that? Do you live in a bubble where there are not dishonest people and if there are it's OK, we'll just make up an excuse for their dishonesty? We'll ignore what they do because "they deserve what they have" even if they come by it dishonestly? Is that your world?
"Well, I was in Walmart and in front of me, I saw a pregnant black woman with 6 kids all less than 5 years old an' she used her food stamps to buy a 1 kg tin of Almas' Beluga Caviar, whipping out her Gold Amex to pay for the difference. Left the cashier a $200 tip."
I hate it when that happens. Especially when they grab the last tin.
Especially if that last tin of the Almas is the ooo grade in the 24 karat gold tin!
Anything else, you have to smother it with catsup.
Was a big bottle of that in this woman's grocery cart? Mustards - no matter how "fancy" - might be too pedestrian.
Nah, she just had the kilo tin of caviar. She was telling the clerk that she likes to 'Eat it like the Czars' off the back of the hand with a shot of ice cold
You know, acting Socialist and all, fair trade booze.
Here is a link that might be useful: what to drink with your caviar when on food stamps. Easily available in the ghetto
Site wouldn't open for me, but I can see the back of the hand bit since stainless steel or silver would taint the flavor.
We're real peasants here, I guess - our Walmart doesn't stock the kilo tin. Wouldn't fit next to the sliced hard salami in the deli case. Besides, the couple of pounds size, give or take, would be just showing off.
Oh, that shoud be ".....off the back of the hand with a shot of ice cold vodka"
Google "fair trade booze" its the second one down. Some smarmy French brand
/google can be so much fun
"google can be so much fun."
So can you David.
Why do any of you care about who people are, what they do here?
Haven't I already told you Demi? I AM all the people here.
With the exception of 3 or 4 other posters, the rest of the identities are just my other personalities.
ROTF Hamiltongardener !
I don't buy it though~you're too nice to be as mean as some.
hah, I have you beat hg, I'm an alien and my own nephew!!