Ilex verticillata in light shade?

Melissa_InTheWoods(z7a MD)July 25, 2003

I'd really like to pick up some ilex verticillata (winterberry) at the plant sale coming up, I see that they want full sun or part shade. Has anyone ever grown them in light shade? I was just wondering if it would do okay.

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roseunhip(z5b QC)

Mine seem to be doing fine (fruits) in the light shade, then full sun from +/- 4PM on. But I am not sure if, for the fruits (a winter decorative feature of this plant + for the birds), the part shade to full sun is a prerequisite or not.
You might know this, but you need at least one male plant and one female one for fruit production.

    Bookmark   July 26, 2003 at 9:39AM
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Melissa_InTheWoods(z7a MD)

Thanks for the info roseunhip, i've learned that part shade and light shade are often the same with some plants but that really does vary depending on the plant. I wanted to make sure before I spent lots of money on these. Yes, I did know that I would need male and female plants but I do appreciate your making sure :)

They are listing "apollo" (male) and "winter red" (female) plus the straight species. I'm really thinking of getting one of each to just see how they do. I appreciate your help :)

    Bookmark   July 26, 2003 at 4:07PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

Mine get some shade also and fruit just fine. But I would really call it mostly sun with alittle shade in the late afternoon. The Nursery were I bought all my plants has them in shade under some very large trees. I have never seen the sun on them but the lady there said that they do get some sun in the morning. The plants there flower and fruit just fine.

    Bookmark   July 26, 2003 at 6:31PM
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Melissa_InTheWoods(z7a MD)

Thanks newyorkrita, I have some dappled light shade in the back and I might try them there. I'm really looking forward to seeing them in the winter.. if the animals let the berries alone for that long, they seem to even be eating green berries sometimes these days.. go figure!

    Bookmark   July 26, 2003 at 7:23PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

Melissa- I was back at the Nursery today that I bought all my Winterberry Shrubs and I especially paid attention to the ones planted around the property. They have such awesome display gardens at this place, I just love to walk around there. All the Winterberries in sun and part shade were fruiting heavily. But I noticed some that were almost in the woods there were there was no light. Shade and nothing but shade with a thick canopy so that you knew sunlight was not going to be coming in at a different time of the day. The shrubs were much lankier than they should be with an open habit instead of the denser branching of the others but heres the kicker. They had fruit. Actually they had a good amount of fruit. Much more than one would ever expect. Now the others there that got some sunlight did have much more fruit but if they could set a good ammount of fruit in TOTAL shade then they should do well anywere!

    Bookmark   July 31, 2003 at 7:46PM
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Melissa_InTheWoods(z7a MD)

Oh thanks so much for checking newyorkrita! That makes me very happy! I just finished clearing out a nice area up the driveway (removed exotics..). Now I just need to figure out where I want to put what :)

    Bookmark   July 31, 2003 at 8:41PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

Try the combination of Ferns and Winterberries. Looks great!

    Bookmark   September 5, 2003 at 1:41PM
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firstautumnjoy(Z6 NJ)

Ilex verticillata grows in deep, wet shade in our woodland. When the leaves come off the shrubs and trees that block the Ilex from the view during the summer all we see back there is a mass of red from the berries. It's beautiful when the angle of the sun is just right - it shines.

    Bookmark   September 6, 2003 at 6:54AM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

I did my last nursery buying stop at the local East End Long Island Nursery were I bought my Winterberry shrubs and was just amazed at the display of the Winterberry shrubs covered in red berries. This was the grouping I was looking at in my July 31st posting on this thread. But what a difference almost two months make. The Winterberries are so loaded down with fruit that some of the branches are bending over. Of course these are the ones in the sunnier spot, as the ones in total shade still had greenish berries. The berries were large, bright red, and just awesome.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2003 at 6:25PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

Winterberies look great with all leaves dropped so I can really see the red berries. So far nothing seems to be eating them. But I guess we need some really cold weather to soften them up.

    Bookmark   November 29, 2003 at 1:59PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

The winterberiey shrubs look so bleak and lonely with bare branches and those lovely berries all gone, long since eaten by the hungry birds.

    Bookmark   March 23, 2004 at 4:35PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

Lots of Blossoms set on the Winterberries. Hope to get a good fruit set once they open.

    Bookmark   June 2, 2004 at 12:38PM
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Melissa_InTheWoods(z7a MD)

Mine are actually getting ready to bloom! They did well in the shade, though nobody was fond of the berries ;(

    Bookmark   June 2, 2004 at 5:28PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

I am surprised the birds didn't eat the berries. All of my Red Sprites have gotten their berries eaten in the past two years. I do have an 'Afterglow' Winterbery in another part of the yard and those berries were ignored, much to my surprise. Maybe Red Sprite tastes beter!

    Bookmark   June 2, 2004 at 6:03PM
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terryr(z5a IL)

Melissa, I planted mine late last year, no foliage but lots of berries. The birds all ignored them. I was told that the birds just hadn't found them yet, to give them time. I hope to still be here this fall and winter to watch if anything and what, eats the berries.
Terry

    Bookmark   June 7, 2004 at 9:37PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

Mockingbirds love Winterberries around here.

    Bookmark   August 22, 2004 at 9:40PM
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Melissa_InTheWoods(z7a MD)

Maybe that is my problem, I don't have mockingbirds here in the woods. Cardinals are the big berry eaters here, as well as some of the titmice and chickadees. The winterberries are loaded, and are just barely showing signs of turning red. I hope that someone (other than me) will find them appealing this winter. :)

    Bookmark   August 22, 2004 at 10:24PM
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pitimpinai(z6 Chicago)

Does anybody know where I can find a good size Ilex verticillata in Chicago area other than a 1 gallon size from Forestfarm?

    Bookmark   November 27, 2004 at 8:31PM
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newyorkrita(z6b/7a LI NY)

My Winterberries are just leafing out now.

    Bookmark   April 27, 2005 at 12:13PM
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