killing the invasive yaupon!!!!

calsmom(8/9)January 27, 2007

I dream of a woodland garden! I have the perfect area and land for it. The only problem is the horrible awful yaupon. I know some people plant this stuff as ornamental "trees" but it has taken over here. I have tried clearing some of the land using some good old fashioned elbow grease and sweat....3 saws later All the stumps a resprouting. I have some of it over 3 inches thick. They are the size of small to medium trees and tough suckers too!!!

Does anyone know how to kill the stuff?? If I can get rid of it, I can have a beautiful woodland and wildlife garden. As it is I have a jungle. The space I need to clear is over an acre so a little Weed B Gone won't work. :( Does anyone have any suggestions?? I am more than willing to saw it down by hand (might have to look into a chainsaw), any thought on how to keep it from resprouting??

Thanks for the help!

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prettyphysicslady(8B/N. Houston)

I took out a couple hundred leaf bags full here. And then the HOA send me a nasty letter about loving native plants and all. The previous owners were clearly not gardeners. Nor the HOA members. ;-)

After cutting it down, cut the stump to the ground and give it a good spray with Round Up. You may have to go back over it with the round up a few times, but stick with it. Besides it doesn't take but a few minutes once a week to spray the Round Up where needed.

    Bookmark   January 27, 2007 at 9:05PM
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flgargoyle(9/FL)

According to some forestry sites I visit, you have to spray the stump within minutes of cutting down the tree. So have your bottle of Round Up with you when you cut.

    Bookmark   January 28, 2007 at 9:24AM
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esh_ga

We have the same problem here with privet (also a small leaved evergreen). Use an herbicide for "woody" plants. Not "weed be gone" but "brush be gone". Or Roundup has a new product for woody plants.

As the others said, make fresh cuts and apply immediately. Be sure to get the chemical on the outer edges of the woody growth, that is the actively growing layer between the bark and the heart wood.

    Bookmark   January 28, 2007 at 12:06PM
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calsmom(8/9)

I tried to fight some yaupon today.....I am hoping the roundup will work. The more yaupon I cut down the more I realize there aren't as many trees as I thought. These things are HUGE!!!! I think I am going to rent a chainsaw from home depot and see if I can't get throught this a little faster.
The land was previously farmed by my Great Grandfather and his family before him. So there are some beautiful old Oak trees in what was previously the fence line. Hopefully, if I survive this project, :) we will be able to see the trees and their awesome beauty. Today I found the old chicken house, a watering trough (not sure if thats how you spell it), and a few of the original fence posts! Its been a great day. And what a feeling to know the person who last worked with these things was someone I never met but is related to me. :) I love the outdoors!!!

    Bookmark   January 28, 2007 at 4:22PM
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debndal(8a DFW, TX)

I hope you don't cut them all out. Yaupon is a wonderful woodland shrub and understory tree, and the berries are great food for your birds. Maybe leave a few that are manageable? Males won't sprout new seedlings, but I still would like to see you leave some females for the birds to enjoy.

    Bookmark   January 31, 2007 at 11:48AM
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alabamatreehugger(8)

Even though weedy, yaupon is a native shrub and it not considered "invasive". I have cleared out three acres of Chinese privet that was smothering my yaupon, that's what I call invasive. Back in presettlement times, periodic forest fires kept them under control. Since we seldom have forest fires anymore you could say that we have made the yaupon into a problem. But if you absolutely must get rid of them , I'd say to paint full strength Brush-B-Gone® on the stumps after cutting.

    Bookmark   February 2, 2007 at 1:03PM
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calsmom(8/9)

Thanks for all your wonderful tips!! Only time will tell if the stuff is really gone! :)

Debndal~ The yaupon here is so thick you cannot even walk through it. I always try to leave plants for the wildlife--even had a wildlife bioligist out to see what could be left to keep the animals happy and not destroy their habitat. He told us that yaupon is good for the birds and the deer, but this is so thick thy can't even get through it. Which I had noticed....they cannot fly through the branches. Anyways, since clearing out a lot of it--the birds are still fluttering about and the deer still have enough of the stuff around to eat.
So all in all--I'm happy and the animals are happy! I'm sure the makers of brush b gone are happy to as much of it as I have bought!!!! :)

    Bookmark   February 4, 2007 at 9:32PM
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terryt9(z6 central Tn.)

I am waging war against Privet. When we cut it, we immediately spray the stump with "Tordon" which we get from the Farmer's Co-op. This stops re-sprouting!!

    Bookmark   April 8, 2007 at 7:26PM
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ladyslppr(z6 PA)

Definitely buy a chainsaw! You'll be able to cut quickly and easily. After cutting you can immediately spray the stump, or what I do is wait for resprouts and cut them off then spray the bits that are left, or just spray them while they are small. It will take repeated treatments to kill the stump, but if you are spraying only the sprouts it doesn't take a lot of chemical. This minimizes any bad impacts on your garden and lowers the cost for chemicals.

    Bookmark   April 9, 2007 at 8:10AM
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Sbj1095_aol_com

I have been killing yaupon for many years on our 10 acres in northwest Florida. It is not easy. After I cut It I chip and shred it for mulch. A chainsaw is possible but (I have three of them) the yaupon is so tough it tends to throw the chain. Be sure to tighten your chain and have plenty of room for a clean cut. This stuff is nasty!

    Bookmark   October 2, 2011 at 5:30PM
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StevenDouglas

oh I hate this junk. You can go at it with brute force like with a chainsaw, but you would probably be better off looking for a chemical solution so that you can prevent it from coming back as well!

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    Bookmark   February 12, 2012 at 3:07PM
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reyesuela(z7a)

How is yaupon invasive????? It's native.

In a managed garden it makes a lovely tree--if it's thinned to just a few specimens. The seedlings are easy to pull.

In areas that are foresty/scrubby, like much of central Texas, the canopy stays open and doesn't form a true forest, and yaupon is naturally thick. Which is great for natural areas and not so great for gardening in which people actually walk through...

    Bookmark   April 16, 2012 at 10:59PM
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s8us89ds

You folks should be sent to Landscaping Jail! :)

1. Yaupon is beautiful.
2. Yaupon is evergreen.
3. Yaupon is THE major food source around here that sustains the dwindling bird populations.
4. I can walk through a thick Yaupon underbrush (with some ducking and contorting, of course).
5. Yaupon provides awesome visual and noise screen.
6. Yaupon is better adapted to these parts than every non-native species - Yaupon tolerates heat and drought like few others.
7. Yaupon maximizes the bio-load and combats ecological issues.
8. It's native, folks, native - for a reason!

    Bookmark   April 21, 2012 at 9:50PM
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jonjonbear(Austin, Texas)

@ s8us89ds:
You can have all my yaupon..Let me tell you what it did to me..
Our home was affected by the big fires here in Bastrop county last year. We didn't lose our home but we lost every oak tree we had behind our home, because of the yaupon holly that surrounded them. We didn't know any better and didn't expect a forest fire but this stuff is noxious here in Bastrop. Yes, it's native but I don't care, it goes. Because yaupon is so flammable it basically ruined all the oak trees. To make matters worse, the dang stuff that burned is growing back! The stuff was so thick you absolutely couldn't walk through it.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2012 at 2:11PM
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alabamatreehugger(8)

Yaupon (and Gallberry) is adapted to being burned periodically, which is why they typically grow in pine forests, not among hardwoods.

I admit I have cut down quiet a bit of Yaupon and wax myrtle in my woods, but I always leave a few scattered for the birds.

    Bookmark   December 6, 2012 at 10:45AM
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Weedpuller4Ever

Had the same problem with Chinese Tallow Trees. We hired a guy with a dozer and knocked those suckers down!...roots and all ...and burned them up. That is the end of the Chinese Tallow trees. We are about to do the same with the Yaupon, though they are not as invasive as the Tallow. Good luck!

    Bookmark   May 21, 2013 at 11:16AM
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s8us89ds

Yaupon are NATIVE and they sustain wildlife. Don't you guys read any native gardening stuff? They recommend Yaupon and Wax Myrtle over all the non-native stuff. Yaupon is drought-tolerant, heat-tolerant, bad-soil-tolerant, shade-tolerant. It's fantastic. I'm planting MORE Yaupon on my property. Did I mention that they're evergreen? I see no downside to Yaupon.

    Bookmark   May 21, 2013 at 7:43PM
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docmom_gw Zone 5 MI(5)

If each of us could spend some time in the other person's shoes, I think we all would be a bit more patient and understanding of one another's position. I think we should be thankful that Calsmom is considering creating a woodland garden and is paying attention to wildlife at all. Encouraging, supportive remarks would be welcome, but no one needs to criticize her struggles without ever laying eyes on the area she's dealing with. There are botanical gardens in every large city in this country that are supported by our tax dollars that don't grow a single native plant, but we still appreciate them for the beauty they provide. Back off unless you have something helpful to say.

    Bookmark   May 23, 2013 at 6:24AM
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sandy808(9Fl)

Wow! "Back off"?! I didn't see anything nasty at all in here. Just differing opinions. The differing opinions ARE helpful. I didn't take any of the comments as being critical. Some people see criticism if someone else has a different opinion and doesn't agree with them. My way or the highway. Oh well.

For what it is worth, it's true the yaupon holly is native, and is not "invasive" as others have pointed out. Invasive plants are those not native to Florida and that displace our native plants and wildlife. However, this is semantics in this particular post.

Yaupon holly does NOT belong close to a structure and should be a minimum of 30 feet away, particularly in fire prone areas. Farther away is better. Any hollies on my property are 100 feet (or more) away from structures. So depending on how close any of the contributors here have hollies growing, they certainly are justified in taking them out.

They also have the right to choose what is growing on their property, but everyone has the responsibility to clear and/or not plant invasive plants, trees, or shrubs brought from other areas.

Frankly, with the exceptions of a few antique roses, camellias, daylilies, or edible fruits and vegetables, I don't plant or grow anything other than native species. I like the native plants and have seen beautiful landscapes filled with them.

The yaupon suckers are easy to get rid of from around the trees if they are paid attention to. I don't poison them. I just clip them off. I imagine they can also be dug up and transplanted somewhere else or given away. If I had a problematic growth that insisted on growing to close to my home, I would then resort to a brush or stump killer. Once those are used nothing else will grow there for some time.

Birds love the hollies, but they also love flowering dogwoods. There are pleasing native trees and shrubs that our native wildlife enjoy and need, without someone having one on their property they do not like or enjoy.

    Bookmark   January 21, 2014 at 12:35PM
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docmom_gw Zone 5 MI(5)

Sandy,
An earlier poster said "You folks should all be sent to Landscaping jail." And later asked "Don't you guys read any native gardening stuff?" Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but those comments didn't seem necessary or helpful. Anyone who is on this forum clearly does read at least some "native gardening stuff" and is here hoping to learn more.

Martha

    Bookmark   January 22, 2014 at 9:54PM
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gilley111

Last year I tried to purchase some yaupon hollies for my Long Island garden. Couldn't find any. I need to see how my plants faired during this winter but if I still wanted some where would I look?

    Bookmark   January 25, 2014 at 12:41PM
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jcalhoun(8b Mobile County AL)

Some of the southeastern native nurseries may have them.

I have bought several plants from a local place called Dodd's Natives and Mail Order Natives from FL.

If you can't get yaupons then dahoon hollies are a good yet slightly smaller alternative.

    Bookmark   January 30, 2014 at 10:02PM
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gilley111

Thanks jcalhoun!

    Bookmark   January 31, 2014 at 11:30AM
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jcalhoun(8b Mobile County AL)

You're welcome.

    Bookmark   January 31, 2014 at 2:32PM
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wisconsitom

The salient point in all the above is that the native, attractive, and beneficial Yaupon holly behaves differently now that fire is supressed than it did before Euro-settlement. We may have reasons to occassionally remove some of it because, after all, it's former controlling factor has been largely eliminated.

While I'm in Wisconsin, I've seen what fire suppression has done to large tracts of pine flatwoods in S. Florida. It's a crying shame. Add in the invasive (And non-native) Malaleuca, and you've got an ecological disaster.

I think the OP did want to do things that are helpful to birds and other wildlife in her yard. And while I'm no expert on southern US vegetation communities, it sounds like perhaps human activities have helped Yaupon holly more than hurt it, once again with the fire suppression.

If one would seek to use herbicides to kill "brush", fall and winter are the best times of year to do the cut/treat method because sap flow is downward and into the roots then, helping to translocate the chemical throughout the plant, thereby killing all of it. Immediately after cutting the stems, glyphosate, triclopyr, or other suitable herbicide is dabbed or painted onto the cut surface. Stronger dilutions of either of these two herbicides should be used for this cut/treat application than are recommended for normal foliar spraying of same. In the case of glyphosate (Roundup) for instance, up to a 50% mix of concentrate in water is called for. But the thing is, with this method, you are using far less chemical because you're just coating that little cut area. It's a good technique, one which I have used many times.

+oM

    Bookmark   March 5, 2014 at 10:59AM
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jrt748

For everyone who doesn't understand the use of the word "invasive", allow me to explain: It is invasive to ME. It has completely taken over a $40,000 acre of my property. No one invited it to grow there. It INVADED and took over. As a result, it is 40,000 square feet of useless space. I cannot even take 3 steps on it. It is either ME, or the Yaupon. I choose me. The birds can fly another 10 seconds to uncleared property.

    Bookmark   November 29, 2014 at 9:30AM
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