How early to start southern exposure veggies?

gardenquestApril 19, 2007

I am still learning about gardening, but i know i always wait to long to start plating.I would like to try to have some tomaotes before the end of august this year if that is possible. I am going to be doing pots this year...on south side of house - with the exception of sugar baby watermelon in my old garden bed(14 x 8) at the request of my Daughter who's 8 - She wants to garden something also!

so......i am wondering what is the absolute earliest i can plant the following....will be buying Topsoil / or miricale grow dirt ( forget the name), they will be on the back of my house which southernn, = full direct sun.

Would it help me to buy that "wall-o-water"? ANY tips would be is what i want to grow this year

1 Cherokee Purple - Pot in southern exposure

1 Green Pepper - Pot in same south exposure

1 sweet 100 cherry in pot (same area)

not realated...but wondering

How much room does a Zuchinni plant need? I have a old narrow flower bed that also has direct sunlight( it has no flowers in it) it is about 15" that enough room for a Zuchinni or no?

Thank you


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Tina, you haven't started the toms yet? You're way late! Mine are 6" tall and will go out into the Wall O'Waters around May 1st. Or did you start them and you're wondering when to set them out?

Zucchini spreads into a giant basically round bush maybe 4-5' in diameter and 2-3' tall, depending on your soil.

    Bookmark   April 19, 2007 at 2:45PM
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You put out tomatos May 1st? Wow, I don't dare until May 20th-June 1st and I am in the southern portion of the state. Then again I haven't used the WoWs either.

Warm season crops generally just sit in the cool ground and do nothing until end of May for me.

    Bookmark   April 19, 2007 at 3:33PM
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mrswaz(Z5A NE WI)

justaguy2- I am new to gardening myself, and curious as to where you get dates to plant? I've been searching around, and I must not be looking in the right places. TIA for any advice.

    Bookmark   April 19, 2007 at 6:48PM
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ummmm this is risky on a garden forum LOL , but i Buy my plants from steins already 6-8" tall. (blush)

    Bookmark   April 19, 2007 at 7:35PM
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I agree with justaguy and am planning on putting out my tomato plants on or around May 20th. Weather permitting, but I am also in the southern part of the state. My peppers will go out memorial weekend.

I am going to try to post a link for you for Gardening in Wisconsin. Just click on the county you live in. On the left side click on the climate table - this will give you the last spring frost and 1st fall frosts for your county.


Here is a link that might be useful: Gardening In Wisconsin

    Bookmark   April 19, 2007 at 8:24PM
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justaguy2- I am new to gardening myself, and curious as to where you get dates to plant?

I find this to be a good resource for vegetable planting dates. I use the earliest listed date as a target. Some of the cool season plants that are listed as April 15th I typically try earlier (from seed) and replant mid April if it doesn't work out (often doesn't).

For the warm season crops (listed as May 20-June 1) it has been my experience that planting in the ground any earlier just results in plants that stall until the ground warms more.

Some folks go a little earlier if the weather looks good or if they have place plastic sheeting on the ground to warm it faster and some swear by WoWs (Walls of Water). I tend to just stick with April 15th, May 20th and June 1st as pretty reliable times.

    Bookmark   April 19, 2007 at 10:00PM
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aphrodite(z4 Wisconsin)

I would think pots would be an advantage though to early outdoor planting. The potted soil would probably warm up earlier and if it did get nasty you could drag them into the garage.

Otherwise, for planting in the ground, I too don't plant until middle to end of May.


    Bookmark   April 20, 2007 at 9:08AM
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Yeah, with pots you can be a lot more flexible! Mine have been moving in and out for the last week or so. Today they'll go out into my unheated greenhouse. The forecast looks great so they might be out for good! I'm not sure when I'll put them in the ground, probably the first weekend of May which is usually when I plant.

    Bookmark   April 20, 2007 at 10:08AM
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I'm one of those people who cover the entire veggie garden with black plastic, set up the WoW's, let them warm up, and stick the toms in them when they are still fairly small. Works great for all my crops; the ground is warm and the garden is weed free. Slippery when wet, though, LOL!

    Bookmark   April 20, 2007 at 11:22AM
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Using these warming methods may I ask when (approximately) you set out warm season crops such as tomatos, peppers and vine crops like cukes:squash:melons?

    Bookmark   April 20, 2007 at 11:39AM
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mrswaz(Z5A NE WI)

justaguy2- Thank you! That list is fantastic, and exactly what I was looking for.

    Bookmark   April 21, 2007 at 5:27PM
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Sorry I didn't get back to this quicker, justaguy~~

I'll be putting out toms and peppers inside Wall O'Waters first week of May, after laying out the black plastic and setting up the WoW's to warm up for a couple of days, assuming we have temps warm enough to do the warming job.

Cukes, beans, corn, etc. won't go out till Memorial Day. Carrots, parsnips, and beets go into the ground 2nd week of May, as they are very pokey about coming up.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2007 at 12:12PM
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Makes sense, Elvis, thanks for that info. Just as an FYI I sowed carrot seed outside on March 15th and while they took forever to germinate (3-4 weeks) they are growing. They were in the ground during that last snow storm we had.

    Bookmark   April 26, 2007 at 1:38PM
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