Perhaps a manual of sexual positions is way too radical for 'garden writers' so let me ask this ( and if I wake someone from their slumber well a quiet yippee). What do we want to do with our own forum ( we have this space justfor us) Correct me if I am wrong but we could go on regurgitating the same old garbage for ever couldn't we? Or we could talk about modern things. We could help one another (another scary thought-co-operation) but is that the feeling? Do we want this forum to be an exchange of usefull, nay encouraging stuff or me and Elizabeth trying to drag everyone else into some kind of dialogue? You have nothing to lose but your chains.