This does not represent us....

momj47(7A)September 13, 2012

Just like not all Americans are like the people who made the weird anti-Islam movie that is sparking protests in Muslim nations, not all people in Libya are like the ones who killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens. Some of the people of Benghazi, where Stevens was killed, held a demonstration against terrorism and to show sympathy for the U.S. Libya Alhurra TV, an Internet TV channel founded at the start of the Arab Spring in 2011, posted Facebook photos of a rally there showing support for America and sympathy for Stevens. Here are some of those pictures:

There are decent people everywhere

Here is a link that might be useful: Pro-American demonstrations in Libya

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elvis

Amen to that; thanks for sharing. They showed a lot of that peaceful demonstration footage on Fox last night. It's good to see.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 8:34PM
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esh_ga

What, are they apologizing? Good thing they don't live over here - people HATE when it seems like someone is apologizing for America.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 8:36PM
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greatgollymolly

There is good and bad everywhere. Thanks for posting the link.

Would be nice if the left in this country realized not all Christians are like the far right wack jobs either.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 9:00PM
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esh_ga

Are you saying that not all Muslims are terrorists, greatgollymolly?

That didn't seem to be the opinion you had on the other thread!

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 9:12PM
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chase_gw

My Iranian hairdresser, a devout Muslim, is sick to her stomache over this. She was actually in tears today talking about the killings in Lybia. She says they are young radicals, mostly unemployed, uneducated, who are angry at everything and that it doesn't take much to igntite them.

It reminded me of the violent riots that happen in the US and Canada when young people feel threatened or disfranchised. Maybe different reasons but maybe just an excuse.

The important thing for all of us to understand is we cannot condemn an entire religion for the actions of radical elements within that religion. That's like condeming all Christians for the actions of Westboro.

Hatred is hatred.....and none of it it's good.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 9:20PM
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elvis

"Hatred is hatred.....and none of it it's good."

Yup. That's why I don't use the word; I don't even think about hatred, except when one of you brings it up--again. The way the word is flung around on this forum makes me wonder if some are desensitized to what it actually means. The endless statements that people are "Obama haters" is particularly disturbing.

But apparently that's just me.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 9:55PM
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esh_ga

The endless statements that people are "Obama haters" is particularly disturbing.

What, you think that Obama-haters don't exist?

Citywoman: He wanted to save the day after the raid and boost his ratings.

She thinks that Obama knew the embassy in Libya was going to be attacked but thought no one would be killed. And that he was going to capitalize on it.

You think she doesn't hate Obama? Get real.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 9:59PM
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chase_gw

So Elvis you don't think that those terrible attacks we're based in hatred, that that vile movie isn't hatred?

I can honestly say it is not a word I use often and not lightly but in the last week our so I must say what I have seen expressed here, about your President, is hatred. Hatred based on some misplaced fear, bigotry and quite frankly ignorance. It will be denied because it is not something we can see in ourselves...... it is so all consuming

It's been shocking and very worrisome.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 10:13PM
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jodik_gw

I never used to use the word "hate"... it has a terrible feel to it. But it's become such an integral part of the fringes of our various societies that it must be used in certain context. It's not right, but there it is.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 10:18PM
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elvis

Chase, I don't know. How would I know that? Ignorance and fear caused them to do it, most likely.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 11:01PM
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demifloyd(8)

Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on
Thu, Sep 13, 12 at 21:55

"Hatred is hatred.....and none of it it's good."

Yup. That's why I don't use the word; I don't even think about hatred, except when one of you brings it up--again. The way the word is flung around on this forum makes me wonder if some are desensitized to what it actually means. The endless statements that people are "Obama haters" is particularly disturbing.

But apparently that's just me.

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No, it's not just you, it's me, too.

We didn't use the word, don't use the word, and didn't allow our children to use the word.

It's a very strong word, and I see it tossed around here on this forum all of the time, attributed to others by people who have never met them and know nothing of them, and take great liberty in publicly assessing the soul and intent of people--as they want to portray them.

It's a nasty practice, a very special and venomous practice of the word itself--to cause such harm by such capricious and prejudiced judgment.

One I don't practice, myself.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2012 at 11:57PM
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elvis

Posted by demifloyd 8 (My Page) on Thu, Sep 13, 12 at 23:57

"We didn't use the word, don't use the word, and didn't allow our children to use the word."

Good for you, Demi. With the kids, for us anyway, it was akin to letting them play with toy guns. Not allowed.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 12:05AM
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marquest(z5 PA)

"We didn't use the word, don't use the word, and didn't allow our children to use the word."

Hatred goes a lot further than saying the word. Your actions and words other than using the word hate can be just as if not more than hateful than saying the word.

Hate speech has become a religion for some. As long as you do not say the word hate you are okay?

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 12:51AM
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demifloyd(8)

WHAT?

Are you bound and determined to paint someone as a "hater?"

Think about it--if a person goes so far as to teach their children that it is wrong to hate and the word "hate" cannot be used, and is not used by anyone in the family, doesn't that say something about the person?

Like they do not approve of hate?

Ya think?

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 12:56AM
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esh_ga

We didn't teach our kids not to use the word ... but we taught them not to use it lightly.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 7:41AM
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chase_gw

We were never allowed to use the word as part of our daily vocabulary. Severely chastised if we ever said we "hated" a teacher or our brother or the broccoli.

We were taught that the word was a powerful word never to be used lightly. We were taught that hatred did indeed exist in the world and that it could never be tolerated. We were allowed to discuss what hatred was, question why it existed and understand how destructive it was. To do that one had to use the word hate in it's proper context. When I use it here I use it in that context.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 8:07AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

I think the reason a term like "Obama-haters" pops up here occasionally is because the irrationally intense and obsessive negative feelings some posters (and others in the news) have about President Obama seem more akin to actual "hatred" than to anything else. I don't think the term is being used lightly or ignorantly, but intentionally to say something about how extreme some anti-Obama-ite's reactions are--way over the line!

Kate

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 8:28AM
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jillinnj

Would be nice if the left in this country realized not all Christians are like the far right wack jobs either.

I have said before that the far right wack jobs are a minority. But, they exist. And they are growing within the Republican party. IMO voting for the Republican party is a vote for those far right wack jobs because the party platform contains a lot of what those far right wack jobs want.

If you feel that way, take back your party. Please. Return the GOP to what it used to be. Then we can get back to talking about wanting the same thing and which road we should take to get there.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 8:30AM
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marquest(z5 PA)

Demi that was not an attack on you or anyone. It is a personal peeve of mine. I do not think people concentrate enough on action and more on words that say the exact same thing. I never heard my daughter ever say the word Hate. I taught love, tolerance and understanding,

I can give you examples of what I mean by hate speech or actions. The Bus monitor that we discussed a few months ago.

1) That was hateful and there was a lot of hate speech. They taunted her about her dead child. You cannot get anymore hateful than that. Although I disagree that this woman should have gotten money for what happened because she did not do her job of correcting the kids. What those kid did was hate and just if not more damaging than saying "We hate you"

2) Calling the President a Muslim. If you say you are Christian and someone said you were an Atheist would you think that is loving? If you needed to vote and you presented your birth certificate and they said you cannot vote that you are not an American because you do not have a birth certificated is that not hate?

To ban a word only create actions that demonstrate a word. No difference.... you may as well tell your children to tattoo hate on their forehead. Hate is a word that describes your actions. That is what I taught.

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jodik_gw

As children, we were taught that hate was a word not to be used lightly. It was a word that we were discouraged from using.

As an adult, I still find it distasteful... but it does describe some currently demonstrated actions and sentiments being tossed about... both in the world today in general, and within our own country.

One thing is for certain... it stands out like a sore thumb where ever it resides.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 9:12AM
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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

In the meantime,

I'm reading that crowds have torched the German Embassy in Sudan in response to the "Innocence of Muslims" film.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2012 at 9:20AM
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