This outrage isn't happening in most states and shouldn't be happening in mine. I want to get going just as early as other Americans . Someone is going to hear about this and surely you support me....
Richard, aren't blue laws for Sunday only?
No! I thought that we got rid of them all some years ago but evidently not...
what kind of shopping is disallowed?
Lord, I'm going to have to stop my projects today to drive into town and get some fall color (mums and such) because I can't stand the thought of getting out and about and trying to get anything done in that terrible traffic on Friday.
I remember not being able to buy gardening supplies like gloves, garden hoses, and screws and such on Sundays.
Of course even now you can't purchase hard liquor on Sundays in some places.
Not that I would need to I have enough to last me through a couple of lifetimes, a bottle of about everything.
I'm not aware of any "blue laws" on Thanksgiving.
Several grocery stores have told me they plan to shut down around 2 pm on Thanksgiving, which surprised me because in larger cities where I used to live stores were open 24-7 with the exception of closing at 6 pm on Christmas Eve and all day Christmas.
Maybe they should rename them Red Laws?
We live in a 24/7/365 global economy where money and opportunity and technology never sleep.
You snooze, you lose.
I actually refuse to buy anything in person on Thanksgiving or Christmas. I don't want to encourage employers to make their employees to work. One of the places I frequent daily, I won't shop on holidays, is closed on Thanksgiving this year. And I'm glad. I hope I made a difference and caused this decision.
Other holidays, no problem, but those two I leave alone. Shoot, the movie I have been dying to see (for months!) is coming out Christmas Day and I won't go see it. Day after, sure. Whatever we need can wait one day, can't it?
Don't Massachusetts and Rhode Island have an old statute - "Blue Law" - on the books saying retail establishments can't open before midnight? Sooo, there your doorbusters have to be fought over when retailers open up sometime in the mornings on Black Friday.
Can't think of anything worse than shopping on Thanksgiving or Christmas or the eves of either. As the perky cashier in a credit card commercial says, "Have a super sparkly day."
The internet is 24/7 365 anything I want to buy on a Holiday I can get it on line.
a business should be able to be open 24/7 365 a year if they want to be & people who don't want to be part of it shouldn't shop there. You can't stop rampant consumerism by regulating hours!
There are still blue laws in parts of NJ. Malls in Paramus are closed on Sundays. Crazy.
I have never gone shopping on Black Friday and hope to never have to. My daughter and her high school friends all go into NYC on that Friday. Now that is crazy, but they love it.
the movie I have been dying to see (for months!) is coming out Christmas Day and I won't go see it. Day after, sure. Whatever we need can wait one day, can't it?
What if you don't celebrate Christmas? Going to the movies and out to a Chinese Restaurant is what I have always done on Christmas day.
But what about the poor workers who don't want to work it? It's for them I think this.
How about this for you? Some people volunteer to work it since they don't celebrate and they get paid extra/better. You're keeping them paid.
See? Works for everyone.
Will the executives of these "doorbuster" companies be in their offices on Thanksgiving?
Live better... unless you work here. In which case, holidays only exist for *some* people who work here. Poor people don't need or deserve them. They wouldn't appreciate it anyway and would probably just use the time to fill out their food stamp application.
Many of our relatives that work in grocery stores, convenience stores or discount stores haven't been getting enough scheduled 4 hour shifts, so they've requested holiday hours.
True, MJ, most people I know would be happy to have more work/pay. Just making a point.
Nobody is complaining about police officers, ICU nurses, TSA agents, or the myriad of other job titles having to work that day...
Applying for a job in in retail, one knows up front that the store does business on holidays.
If people want to shop, of course a business will want to earn the profits they can, technically good for everyone.
You can look at many layers of this onion.
Enjoy the peace and quiet, and football.
but not hockey dang it.
Rob - there are lots of people around here (where I live) that do not celebrate xmas. I don't know how they select which workers work, but it might be volunteer? I do think they get paid time and 1/2 or double time for working holidays? I know my sister-in-law who works in a hospital (dietician) always volunteers to work xmas. She then uses that day to take off one of the Jewish holidays she needs to take off.
As purple said, there are lots of jobs where you don't get to take off just because it's a holiday...
All of our workers work weekends, holidays, nights, different shifts and emergency service on a volunteer basis.
Due to inflation, worker debt and a tough economy, we generally get more volunteers than we need, plus many want the overtime, doubletime and other perks.
Many "want" to work more hours, different hours or on-call hours but can't due to child care, transportation and timing issues.
It's actually much tougher for us to find volunteer workers during the spring/summer tourist/boating/beach/fishing/motorcycle season and the fall salmon/turkey hunting/deer hunting seasons than Christmas.
Here in Florida you can't buy liquor before noon on Sunday. I guess that's a form of blue law.
Stores here in Maine won't ipen till midnite tomorrow, either, and I'm fine with that. Store workers need to have Thanksgiving with their families, too.
I think it's worse that there are customers for the retail industry on Thanksgiving than that there are people who have to work it. And FTR, I don't mean groceries or gas or things like that, I mean Black Friday deals.
Really, can't we take one day in this country to appreciate something besides our effing affluence? Thanksgiving should be about more than being thankful you got a $100 laptop, or had room on your VISA to do it.
Things like this remind me of Jimmy Carter's speech years ago about how we are starting to care more about how much we have rather than who we are.
How that connects to Blue Laws ... not a clue. But fwiw, Blue Laws suck too.
Anyway, despite the tone of the post, have a lot I am grateful for today, and wish all the best!
Hear! Hear! I couldn't agree more. People are lined up in tents at this very moment at Best Buy and that's where they plan to spend their Thanksgiving Day.
I think its appalling that stores will open this evening. I understand the motivation is that more and more people are shopping online.
The thought of spending hours outside a big-box store waiting to take part in the 'Running of the Shoppers' - America's answer to Paloma and their idiot tourists that run in front of bulls - to get some $300 flat screen TV marked down to $150 that was mass-produced by over-worked, resentful, furious Chinese child labor, sold to you by minimum-wage clerks who really want to be home sleeping but need the hours to feed their children something other than potato chips.
/is it too early to start saying 'Bah Humbug'?
//Can I move that up, since the stores are?
Absolutely nothing would tempt me into that fray tomorrow. My gift list is small and requires little more than being torn out of a checkbook.
I do, however, do a bit of shopping (but only for myself) on Small Business Saturday. Farmers market for greens to make swags, then across the bridge to Wisconsin to see what the vendors in the old Soo Line Railroad station have - usually hand crafted chocolates and unusual ornaments. I have tons of ornaments, but like to add a couple of the Scandinavian straw and wooden ones.
DH and I were in Paris in December several years ago. The stores were open on the second and third Sundays - very different from the rest of the year. The French value family time and no stores are open on Sunday (except for those in December, which might just be a Parisian thing). I really admire the French in this regard. It's a cultural thing - very telling that worship of the almighty dollars (retailers) and of having "things" (the rest of us) dominates our culture.
I should move to France because I am beginning to detest the commercialism and the media that feeds it. They have been featuring a 12 year old who has been in a tent for three days now in front of Best Buy. Her parents should be arrested for child abuse but every night local TV checks in with her. Stores in my area opened at 8 and 9 O clock tonight. Not for any money would I be part of the madness.Our newspaper today was so thick it took hours to sort thru it. Weighed about three pounds.
>I remember when stores closed at 5 OClock and that included grocery stores. Friday night they were open till 9 and I think maybe some nights before Xmas. New Jersey's blue laws were in effect when we used to go to Ocean City and my kids would complain on Sundays when the whole boardwalk was closed.
I should move to France because I am beginning to detest the commercialism and the media that feeds it. They have been featuring a 12 year old who has been in a tent for three days now in front of Best Buy. Her parents should be arrested for child abuse but every night local TV checks in with her.
I guess that's more important than sending her to school. Or perhaps the schools were closed Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday in the USA? No matter, as long as she gets that new iphone or Wii or whatever, right?
>I remember when stores closed at 5 OClock and that included grocery stores.
Oooh, I think that's just a bit too much for most people these days. When all the moms were SAHM's it might have been different but moms these days don't even get off work until 5:00. Grocery shopping after work is the norm.
HG..It IS a different time now, and I don't think stores should close at 5. I mostly shop after that myself. I'm just saying that maybe families were closer when stores were closed on Sundays and people stayed home. But consumerism was not widespread as it is today. My Christmas's were so tame to what kids get today.
But consumerism was not widespread as it is today. My Christmas's were so tame to what kids get today.
I hear ya.
Twister, a doll, and a stocking of candies... the Christmas of yesteryear.
Today it's a new laptop, an iphone, the latest video game system (complete with 6 or 7 games), a gift certificate to their favourite clothing store for a few hundred dollars, a couple hundred dollars cash... and that's the elementary school aged kids.
I think "blue laws" only apply to Sundays and religious holidays. I don't think Thanksgiving qualifies, so I think the OP statement is inaccurate.
Tobr, I'm not going to have a hissy fit over an "incorrect statement in the OP intended to outrage", but there are others with a history of this, so be afraid...
Nowadays family gatherings are like internet cafes.
"Nowadays family gatherings are like internet cafes."
On a recent trip I was dismayed to notice that most the people in the boarding waiting area at the airport were plugged into machines insead of talking ro each other. It creeped me out. I would not be comfortable at a family event with that ambiance; in fact, I wouldn't allow it. Leave your machine at my door.
I know up here it's blamed on Maine's Blue Laws that they can't open on Thanksgiving.
As far as we're concerned, holidays exist purely for the magic and wonder that is part of childhood. It fuels the imagination, and causes them to light up with that wide eyed, innocent amazement of such things as Santa and flying reindeer, the Easter bunny, the tooth fairy, scary ghosts at Halloween, etc... much like the fairy tales we grow up hearing or reading about, and imagining.
If it weren't for them, the little children in our family, it would only be a gathering of thankful adults, sans commercialism, consumerism, and materialism. And since children are often thankful and happy regardless of the digits on a price tag, because it's not the expensive gift they want, but simply to have you there to share in the joy and wonder of it all... shopping for us is fairly simple.
But I won't fight crowds to do it, or camp in front of a store... we're way less worried about gifts than we are being able to make the trip and and share that time with our family. This year, we've been slowly picking up things as we see them, and we think the grandkids might enjoy them. We're about done with the gift thing.
"As far as we're concerned, holidays exist purely for the magic and wonder that is part of childhood."
Oh, that's sad to me!
I enjoy the holidays for many reasons, changing somewhat as life goes along, but the "magic and wonder" is still there for me! From the anticipation, the preparations, family coming home after long absences, the poignant memories--distant and recent--and the giving and charity and forgiveness to one another that we are reminded to live.
I don't have any grandchildren, my daughters are not married and we enjoy the holidays immensely--magic still exists (yes, Santa Clause still comes no matter the age of anyone sleeping here Christmas Eve) and will until I can no longer do it or pay someone to do it. The wonder is there every day if we consider it, not just the holidays.
Jodi's said that before; and that's fine--for her.
Demi said: "From the anticipation, the preparations, family coming home after long absences, the poignant memories--distant and recent--and the giving and charity and forgiveness to one another that we are reminded to live."
I feel this way, too. I think this comes from having faith, which means different things to different people.
One of our nieces - a 21 year old assistant store manager worked 2 opening to closing shifts Thanksgiving day and Black Friday.
She's moved up the ladder much faster than others partly because she accepts the shifts, days and hours others turn down.
By opening longer on Thanksgiving day, it had a load balancing effect, so store traffic was fairly equally divide between the two days which made store traffic more manageable.
Stores that didn't open, or had limited hours Thanksgiving day lost a lot of business as many brick and mortar shoppers have limited cash and credit which was used up at other stores.
Depends on what you call winning-- making money, or spending time with family.... or allowing your employees the chance to spend time with THEIRS.
The majority of our immediate family worked Thanksgiving day, however all the work was voluntary, despite the fact that many of us perform critical services.
We all have numerous volunteers willing to take our place.
Many of our employees actually enjoy getting away from their nagging, complaining, unappreciative and annoying wives, girlfriends, kids, step-kids etc.
Many see their relatives year-round, so Thanksgiving is just another day to get together with relatives who spend much of their time texting, playing games and surfing the web on their cell phones.