Obama wins Florida

lily316(z5PA)November 10, 2012

This is the landslide victory that was talked about. Oh, wait it was the GOP who was saying that about Mitt.

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momj47(7A)

Finally, it's over.

And Florida managed to make themselves completely irrelevant.

    Bookmark   November 10, 2012 at 1:21PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!

    Bookmark   November 10, 2012 at 1:55PM
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jerzeegirl(9)

Hurray! And here's some more good news - Allen West lost.

    Bookmark   November 10, 2012 at 3:37PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Happy, happy dance!

And Atkins (the Missouri 'rape' specialist next door) LOST! Claire won.

Happy, happy dance!

Kate

    Bookmark   November 10, 2012 at 3:49PM
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heri_cles

Yes, Yes, Yes, HELL YES !!!

I cannot wait to go down to the redneck riviera (the panhandle or "L.A." (a.k.a. lower Alabama) and have a drink with some of my friends down there.
They must truly be in mourning right now.

Here is a link that might be useful: Yes, Yes Yes..

    Bookmark   November 10, 2012 at 4:39PM
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jillinnj

Saw that earlier today. Fantastic news! And, yes, a landslide. Just not the one the right wing predicted. Which, in my book, makes it that much sweeter!

And, of course, it means Nate Silver was 100% accurate. Predicted every state correctly! Facts, baby. They work everytime.

    Bookmark   November 10, 2012 at 5:52PM
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heri_cles

Yes indeed, and Nate Silver deserves and apology from Joe Scarborough... that's for sure.

Obama won by over 74,000 votes, Everything but the absentee ballots were counted (and provisional ballots but those would never have favored Romney)
so what in the world was the delay? The Jebber and Rick Scott playing more games ? A call from Karl Rove? Was Jim Baker down there again?

    Bookmark   November 10, 2012 at 10:13PM
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labrea_gw

The Tea Creatures are tearing their hair out with rage against Romney. Of Course I take great delight in this!
I'm looking forward to revelations in the Jim Greer trial!

    Bookmark   November 10, 2012 at 10:42PM
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elvis

Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.

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labrea_gw

I bet there's a point to that!

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 12:18AM
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jillinnj

You think? I can't figure it out.

elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger, right?

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 12:36AM
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lily316(z5PA)

The Repubs always have trouble with math...ask Rove.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 2:47AM
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jodik_gw

Math, facts... anything concrete or tangible. Mind you, not all conservatives have issues with these things, but the more fanatical, the less grounded in reality... or so it would appear.

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ohiomom

West is refusing to concede.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 8:21AM
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esh_ga

Florida is the icing on the cake that was already done. And so glad that we didn't need it to call the election and have to wait 4 days ....

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 8:32AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

But I'm still sitting here wondering (when I think about it at all) why Florida has so much trouble counting votes, why they repeatedly make a spectacle of their ineptitude?

Kate

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 8:43AM
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jerzeegirl(9)

Kate: My DH was a poll worker and he said that most precincts had their votes counted and ready. It was just certain counties that can't seem to get it together. They need to concentrate less on "voter fraud" which doesn't exist and concentrate more on getting more people to vote and making it efficient.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 8:48AM
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esh_ga

Perhaps Florida voters will remember that come 2014. Time for them to hold their officials accountable.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 8:49AM
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jodik_gw

"Time for them to hold their officials accountable."

Precisely.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 9:33AM
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jerzeegirl(9)

Time to get rid of Rick Scott, the worst governor ever.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 9:35AM
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jillinnj

Absolutely agree! I hope they vote him out and make it clear that he should not have tried to suppress the vote by limiting hours. Shameful. I just hope the electorate remembers. Sometimes memories can be short.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 2:13PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

How are they going to get them out of office they do not believe when they lose that they lost. LOL

Final Florida vote count shows Rep. West has lost, next step could be court

Here is a link that might be useful: West

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 2:32PM
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jerzeegirl(9)

He can go to court all he wants. He doesn't have a leg to stand on. The courts don't want to get involved with this - there is absolutely no reason to and West has no proof that there were any irregularities. He's SOL.

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ENMc

OH! You can't imagine how happy I am that it is MY county, St Lucie County, that is giving him so much heartburn! Well, Palm Beach County, too. But he is throwing out all sorts of corruption charges to St Lucie officials.

Too fricken funny! I mean, with all that the corrupt Governor Scott has tried to pull to limit the Democrats, and he still lost! West must be choking in disbelief!

I can hardly believe it. I have been surrounded by a FOREST of West signs! He, by far, ran the nastiest ads!

Mind ya, he chose this district..more repugs here! HA ha! Ha!

I was beyond thrilled with the election...Obama, of course, but the Dems all kicked asss!

E

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 5:00PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

jerzeegirl and E, I hope you are both right he and Bachmann were the two biggest loons ever elected.

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jillinnj

Let's hope Bachmann is next in 2014. She almost lost this time. It was very close. In what has been called the most conservative district. I hope she loses next time. I will be sending money to whoever opposes her in 2 years!

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 5:42PM
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elvis

Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02

"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.'
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger,
right?"
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Present! Yes. i was responding to this:

"RE: Obama wins Florida

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:55

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!"

Guess she re-defined "landslide".

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 10:30PM
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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

The Tea Creatures are tearing their hair out with rage against Romney.

I'd be fine with it if that's as far as it went. But no, they want to waste MORE millions of dollars in legal fees chasing windmills, instead.

Here is a link that might be useful: unfreakin real.

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marquest(z5 PA)

Karl Rove boasted on the eve of Tuesday's election that all signs pointed towards an electoral college landslide.

"Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?" Fox host Megyn Kelly asked at one point, "Or is this real?"

Karl Rove predicted landslide... Mr. Romney carrying at least 279 Electoral College votes, probably more."

So who had a LANDSLIDE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WIN?

You might want to ask Karl Rove the question Megyn Kelly asked if you have trouble with the redefining of math. If 279 was a landslide what is 332?

I thought you knew the landslide standards since you told someone they did not know what Karl Rove said election night because you watched him election night.

President Obama 332
Romney 206

LANDSLIDE ACCORDING TO YOUR FOX BOX.

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 11:15PM
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jillinnj

Guess she re-defined "landslide".

It was very clear to me she meant an electoral college landslide in the election. You really didn't get that?

    Bookmark   November 11, 2012 at 11:31PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Some posters are just going around deliberately misunderstanding tidbits here and there so that they have an excuse to pick a fight with other posters.

Does someone want to inform them that picking fights over tidbits on HT will not change the outcome of the 2012 presidential elections?

Romney still lost, and Obama still won!

Kate

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 12:40AM
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Circus Peanut

I hadn't seen that petition, Bill -- amazing.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 12:53AM
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mylab123(z5NW)

Bill: I guess even that mess is part of what makes this world turn. It will pass, that kind of ugly tends to have a short life span. The engines which will need turning for next Presidential election is only three short years away! and what is left of the power of the Tea creatures won't have the time or money to be squandering on this.
-They have a damaged reputation which requires a great deal of expensive reconstructive surgery if they are to have a face worth saving.
I believe that in eight years, we won't hear much if anything from Teas - and most of the New Independents will be referring to themselves as Republicans again. JMO

Marquest, while I have seen elsewhere that someone might not be 'feeling' your joyful, dancing stick figures you have been displaying for us - seeing as it has not yet been even a single week since the election results have been known, I think they are a fun way to express your totally harmless, non-insulting delight with the win of your presidential candidate.

-I'm sure some conservatives who post regularly and those others who posted regularly right up to the day of the election would have come up with equal, or perhaps even heightened expressions of delight had the win been for Romney.

Please don't quit them anytime soon, it's a fun, harmless and non-insulting way to express your delight and I really enjoy seeing them under your name.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 2:07AM
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maddie_athome

Hoot! Bill.

Beyond bizarre indeed. The Snoopys over at KOS already sleuthed this and,
you guessed it,

Arithmatic? Epic Fail.

This petition is based on a lie. Figures.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 6:39AM
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jillinnj

Thanks, maddie for linking to the actual facts. It's that arithmetic thing the Republicans seem to have such a problem with. First, their budget/tax plan doesn't add up. Then they can't read poll numbers. Or maybe they just conveniently reversed Obama/Romney numbers in their head? Now, they cannot add up how many people voted in a single county in Ohio. So strange. Here's my favorite line from maddie's link:
Poor, poor Republicans. How the little bombs must be constantly going off in their heads after this election and the sweeping gains that Democrats made, especially here in Florida.

Bill - I commend you for your level headed thinking, and not sticking your head in the sand as so many others here and everywhere are doing. Of course, I prefer you stick your head in the sand and repeat the whole process in 2014 and 2016, but I give you a lot of credit for not doing it :-).

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 7:59AM
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esh_ga

I don't want to start a new thread, but I came across Maureen Dowd's recent article about Obama's win and what it means for his supporters:

Last time, Obama lifted up the base with his message of hope and change; this time the base lifted up Obama, with the hope he will change. He has not led the Obama army to leverage power, so now the army is leading Obama.

When the first African-American president was elected, his supporters expected dramatic changes. But Obama feared that he was such a huge change for the country to digest, it was better if other things remained status quo. Michelle played Laura Petrie, and the president was dawdling on promises. Having Joe Biden blurt out his support for gay marriage forced Obama's hand.

The president's record-high rate of deporting illegal immigrants infuriated Latinos. Now, on issues from loosening immigration laws to taxing the rich to gay rights to climate change to legalizing pot, the country has leapt ahead, pulling the sometimes listless and ruminating president by the hand, urging him to hurry up.

Her point - the voters are speaking up.

Here is a link that might be useful: source

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 8:22AM
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marquest(z5 PA)

Marquest, while I have seen elsewhere that someone might not be 'feeling' your joyful, dancing stick figures you have been displaying for us - seeing as it has not yet been even a single week since the election results have been known, I think they are a fun way to express your totally harmless,

Thank you mylab123,maddie, jillinnj it truly was how I felt. As I explained I did my jumping the night of the election and in this post when Florida finally announced.

I do not usually address that poster because of the her silly problems but I did say there were only two Announcement Post that were celebrations. EASY TO AVOID.....if she had a problem accepting seeing joy for the hard work and happiness that the President won.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 10:25AM
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rob333

Landslide. An Overwhelming majority? No. It wasn't a landslide. Well, at least I, don't consider .9% margin to be overwhelming. Let's stick to the truth. He won, but landslide isn't true.

âÂ" Barack Obama 4,236,032 50.0%
Mitt Romney 4,162,174 49.1%

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esh_ga

The current national numbers are Obama 62,085,892 (50.6%) and Romney 58,777,012 (47.9%).

I predict it will be a 3 point victory when all is said and done.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 11:14AM
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jillinnj

Rob - the election was an electoral college landslide. Nobody said the Florida vote was a landslide.

marquest - I was doing the happy dance right along with you and enjoyed your dancing stick figures. I agree, don't stop. The fact that one particular poster is a sore loser is no reason to not enjoy the victory.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 11:16AM
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jerzeegirl(9)

rob: The president is elected by the Electoral College and that's really the only vote that counts in a presidential election. Therefore, I think it could be argued that Obama won by a landslide.

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rob333

Only if you'll agree Bush won by a landslide. Sorry, I calls them as I sees them. We can't use what is convenient. Or what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 11:24AM
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jerzeegirl(9)

Rob: Here's a list of electoral college landslides as assembled by the Washington Post. I don't see George W. Bush on it.

Here is a link that might be useful: list

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 11:48AM
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rob333

I gave Florida's numbers on popular vote. Not Florida? Oh, ok, electoral college. I thought we agreed it was an outdated thing and disenfranchised those in Florida in 2000. Not any more? It counts now? I still see people using what is convenient. Or we agree to disagree.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 11:55AM
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esh_ga

jz - cool link!

1936: Democratic incumbent Franklin Roosevelt defeats Republican Alf Landon by 11 million votes and wins Electoral College 523 to 8.

That appears to be the worst, but there were others that were close.

1972: Republican incumbent Richard Nixon defeats Democrat George McGovern by 18 million votes and wins Electoral College 520 to 17.

1984: Republican incumbent Ronald Reagan defeats Democrat Walter Mondale by 16.9 million votes and wins Electoral College 525 to 13.

Wow. So it looks as though 2012 does not qualify for a landslide:

Electoral College landslides in presidential elections over the past century, which saw the winner collect at least double the loserâÂÂs Electoral College votes.

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marquest(z5 PA)

I gave Florida's numbers on popular vote. Not Florida? Oh, ok, electoral college. I thought we agreed it was an outdated thing and disenfranchised those in Florida in 2000. Not any more? It counts now? I still see people using what is convenient. Or we agree to disagree.

I do not understand your question. Did Gore become President? I understand until the standards change regardless of what we say we would like disenfranchised are words.

As it stands now and in 2000 Electoral College is/was the standard regardless of what HT say they want/wanted.

Gore Won the popular vote only, Obama Won the Popular vote and the Electoral College. There is more credibility of the present Electoral College Landslide and Popular vote combined don't you agree? I see it as regardless of what we want and who wins we follow the same standards and talking points.

In 2000 the argument was the majority did not have a voice. 2012 the Majority had a voice and the Electoral College agreed with the majority. That is how I see the issue. Do you understand my thoughts now?

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nancy_in_venice_ca Sunset 24 z10

Not any more? It counts now?

Of course it counts now; the only way a candidate may become president is by winning the electoral college - unless your side can manage to throw the decision to the Supreme Court.

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 12:19PM
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jerzeegirl(9)

esh: It does look like 2012 was not a landslide (although I would imagine that article was written before the election results came in). It appears what they are saying is that the winner's electoral votes have to be at least double the loser's electoral votes. I think part of the problem is that everyone seems to have a different definition of what an electoral college landslide is.

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jerzeegirl(9)

Here are some interesting factoids:

  1. Barack Obama has won an overwhelming majority in the Electoral College, a daunting majority of the popular vote and a majority of the nation�s states�including most of the country�s largest states and states in every major region of the republic: New England, the mid-Atlantic, the Great Lakes, the South, the Southwest, the Mountain West and the West.

  2. Barack Obama has won more popular votes than any Democratic candidate for president in history�except Barack Obama in 2008.

  3. Barack Obama is the first Democratic president to win more than 50 percent of the popular vote in a re-election run since Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1944.

  4. Barack Obama is the only Democratic candidate for president since FDR to twice win more than 50 percent of the national vote.

  5. Barack Obama has, in both of his presidential runs, won a higher percentage of the national vote than any Democratic nominee since Lyndon Johnson in his 1964 landslide victory.

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 12:24PM
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jillinnj

Agreed. We can argue about the definition of what an electoral college landslide is. We can argue about whether 2012 was a landslide or not.

But, I think it's safe to say that if the electoral college total in 2012 were reversed, conservatives would certainly be calling it a landslide. In fact, they did before the election when they were predicting Romney would get almost exactly what Obama actually got.

Therefore, your statement:

Or what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

certainly does apply.

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marquest(z5 PA)

Hey this is one of our celebration post. It is Monday and Landslide or not I am still......

    Bookmark   November 12, 2012 at 12:54PM
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rob333

Nope, I don't have a different standard for a landslide electoral college. Sure, that's a landslide for electoral college. For the popular vote in Florida, it's not a landslide. Or do popular vote and electoral college mean the same thing now? I can't seem to keep up.

My beef is that the electoral college is what got Bush elected in 2000. Liberals don't want that to count, but now they want it to count. Can't have it both ways.

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me if you agree or don't, but the standard over here is, calling someone out when they're wrong. Or at least it has been in the past. I'm probably wrong though since it's a different day and a different issue.

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jillinnj

But, Rob, nobody was saying the popular vote in Florida or nationally was a landslide. Calling someone out for being wrong is fine when they are wrong. Calling someone out for being wrong when you misunderstood what they were talking about (electoral college vs popular vote in Fl/Nationally) is not fine, IMO.

My beef is that the electoral college is what got Bush elected in 2000. Liberals don't want that to count, but now they want it to count. Can't have it both ways.

I can only speak for myself. The problem I had in 2000 was not the electoral college. It was that the Supreme Court did not allow the recount in Flordia to happen. I never denied Bush won the electoral college. But he won it because of the Supreme Court decision. He may have won it anyway, but it would have been nice to find out.

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jillinnj

And, by the way, had Obama won the electoral college and lost the popular vote, I would not have criticized anyone for pointing that out. In fact, I would have expected it to be talked about because it would be a big deal. Just as it was in 2000, and I suspect it was talked about there (I wasn't here then).

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rob333

right, I misunderstood--and then corrected myself the next time around! But no one is getting it? Such is life.

But you're saying it now. Bush won the electoral college then, and there are some that say Gore was "robbed" of that election. Right? You didn't have to be here then. It was said nationally. Although, that sure has come up in the past few months, yet again. It shouldn't have been. It's over. It was over then and it's over now. Whichever group is happy. Let 'em have it.

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esh_ga

I think the Electoral College in general favors Democrats.

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jillinnj

Sorry, rob, I misunderstood.

I think Gore was "potentially robbed" by the Supreme Court. Not by the electoral college. We'll never know what would have happened if the recount was allowed to finish. But, you're right, that's over and done. The only point to that discussion is what did we learn and what could be done differently next time -- not electoral college wise, but having it be decided by the Supreme Court. But, that's a different topic.

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rob333

You know what I want to know, why the electoral college is still around. It doesn't make much difference most of the time, but it can.

Do we really need a babysitter?

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marquest(z5 PA)

What am I missing in this discussion?

I am saying the argument at the time even with the count stopped in Florida

GORE WON THE POPULAR VOTE
BUSH WON ELECTORAL COLLEGE

BUSH 50,456,002 47.87%
GORE 50,999,897 48.38%

That was the argument at the time that there was a disagreement of Electoral college not electing the President by a Majority votes. But by a Majority of electoral college vote.

There is no doubt Obama received Popular vote and Electoral College.

If President Obama had won the electoral college and not the Popular vote I could understand your question.

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frank_il

Some people just don't understand the electoral college no matter how much it is explained.

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rob333

I've gone back over it. Elvis and I were looking at the popular vote because no one said electoral college until halfway down. elvis makes both comments and then marquest says "electoral college". Not one person had said that. Then it changes to y'all saying we're confused/misunderstanding. Sorry, but you're twisting the facts. You said landslide and it wasn't until you realized it wasn't a landslide... then it was, um, we were talking about the electoral college! Yea, that's it.

Nope. You didn't say it. Not one person. Point out where it was said before for elvis' two comments? I, personally, did miss the switch over. Or as y'all say, the flip-flop. and then I CORRECTED myself. Which if you can read one of my comments then you can read others when I said, Oh.

What counts is what you want to count. We understand quite perfectly what the electoral college is, it just wasn't stated. Not in the title and not in posts, until it was time to CYA about "landslide".

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 9:23AM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Since the president wins through the electoral vote and only through the electoral vote (with the exception when the Supreme Court made the selection), then the phrase "Obama won by a landslide" can only mean one thing--by the only vote that determines who is president: the electoral college vote.

Since there is no other vote that determines who is president, "landslide" could not refer to any other vote.

There--it is very simple--and doesn't really need post after post after post after post . . . hashing it over and over and over again to figure out that ONLY the Electoral votes determine the winner and therefore the "landslide" by definition has to refer to the ONLY determining vote.

Sigh. Are we done with this now?

Kate

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 9:35AM
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chase_gw

Rob, I see your point but I have to be honest and say that I knew the reference was to the electoral vote however I can see how one would think it was about the Florida results.

I guess I "knew" because I had known for a few days that the Florida vote was going to be a very close call and I was hoping the electoral votes would go to Obama because that would mean a landslide victory for him .

So my head was already there.

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esh_ga

I also understood that whenever "landslide" was mentioned it referenced the Electoral college count. The popular vote, either national or Florida, was too close to ever be called a landslide.

And now apparently even the EC count doesn't fit the landslide definition .... We'll just call it a "barnstormer" from now on.

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jerzeegirl(9)

I heard this morning that Allen West is going to congress next week along with with Patrick Murphy (who actually won the race). What a loser!

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esh_ga

Well Allen is still a congressman through the end of the year, isn't he?

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marquest(z5 PA)

It was said in the Conservative media which I posted. There is no question or confusion on the Conservatives part. Elvis, and Rob know what was meant.

So who is flip flopping on the puzzled thoughts? This question is a convenient flip flop on the Conservative part.

Now you want to act confused?

I WILL POST IT AGAIN IN CASE YOU MISSED THE STANDARDS CONSERVATIVES SAID WHEN THEY THOUGHT ROMNEY WOULD WIN.

Karl Rove boasted on the eve of Tuesday's election that all signs pointed towards an electoral college landslide.

"Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?" Fox host Megyn Kelly asked at one point, "Or is this real?"

Karl Rove predicted landslide... Mr. Romney carrying at least 279 Electoral College votes, probably more."

So who had a LANDSLIDE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WIN? Rob, Elvis Why are you confused?

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jerzeegirl(9)

esh: True, I am certain West has unfinished business but the point is that he is not giving up and has plans to continue being a congressman for the next two years!

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maddie_athome

Posting this in here, as it might be somewhat related...looks like Florida isn't the only State.

Arizona Still Counting Ballots Nearly A Week After Election:

Hundreds of thousands of ballots have yet to be counted in Arizona nearly a week after Election Day, a majority of which appeared to come from Maricopa County.

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennetts said Saturday that approximately 486,405 ballots still have to be counted across the state, representing more than a quarter of the 1.8 million votes cast. About 322,000 of those uncounted ballots came from Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix and many of its suburbs. The statewide total included 307,620 early ballots and 178,785 provisional ballots.

The New York Times reported that many of those who had to cast provisional ballots were first time minority voters who signed up to receive their ballots in the mail but never did. The group One Arizona is calling on the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division to investigate. DOJ had sent federal observers to Maricopa County to monitor polling place activity on Election Day.

Provisional ballots you say?

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 11:17AM
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rob333

Obviously, we didn't see it as clearly asn you, and you didn't say it outright, so it could've been miscontrued, easily. Yelling (bolding and all caps) at me won't make me see your logic. What is it my son says? If he can get it so can you. Yelling is a last resort to get someone to agree when logic is gone.

No flipping or flopping on my part. Correcting myself was my polite attempt, thinking Hm, maybe I did miss the statement? But it isn't there. If it is, feel free to show me without screaming. I'm open to saying it was something other than assumption passed around amongst the liberals with an understanding that didn't cross party lines. However, there it is in black and white--it isn't stated, it's assumed. Gallagher says assuming makes an as* out of u and me (see? It spells assume). He's right this time.

I will make one concession, elvis and I should've clarified. Guess we just trying to understand, but it took more than reading what was written!

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esh, I do agree, this is an electoral college landslide. Fully! Good job!

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 11:40AM
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chase_gw

If Rob says she believed the post was about Florida she means it. Rob does not play word games. I take her at her word.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 11:41AM
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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

I believe her as well. The OP is about Florida's close election, not the national one.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 11:57AM
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maddie_athome

I second that. Rob doesn't play these games. So can we clear this up? Please?

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 12:02PM
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jillinnj

I agree that Rob does not play those games. That's why I don't understand her refusal to accept the fact that the OP was talking about electoral college. The reason it was an electoral college landslide is because Florida was called for Obama, giving him that electoral college landslide.

Yes, the OP did not mention electoral college, but you can't really think that anyone thought the popular vote in either Florida or nationally was a landslide.

So, I don't get why the suspicion that the OP didn't really mean electoral college. Those are tricks played by a lot of people here, but never Rob, so I'm confused.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 12:36PM
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rob333

Jill, you're actually making the point that: 1) this was anything but clearcut and 2) it is a misunderstanding. It happens! Even amongst friends.

But if you want to understand:

"...Florida" + "landslide"

I was very surprised?! I merely went and looked to see the vote for myself, and found that it was 0.9% different?! I admit, I had stopped keeping up now that it was all in the bag and the last few votes could've been a surprise. So I was really baffled how a 0.9% difference could ever be construed as a landslide. I truly thought, "Whew! By the skin of his teeth, but I'll take it!"

Make more sense now? It could've been this way for elvis too. Not just me. I should've delved further, asked more, but here we are.

:)

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 1:15PM
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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

I admit, when I first saw this thread, I also thought "Florida was hardly a landslide."

But, I am as guilty as anyone else of not making my posting quite clear sometimes. Usually in a case like that, I would apologize and then attempt to clarify what I had meant, like "Oops, I had meant the electoral college, not the Florida vote alone."

I don't think Elvis' or Rob's confusion should have been met with the snark OR THE SCREAMING that it was. A simple "Oops, this is what was meant" would have sufficed.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 1:30PM
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jillinnj

OK, I think we all agree :-)

It wasn't totally clear to everyone (didn't say 'electoral collge').
Clear to some and not clear to others.

And the moral of the story is...

when someone misunderstands what you write...
-explain what you meant
-do not blame the person that misunderstood
-especially when lots of people misunderstand what you wrote, note that perhaps it's the way you wrote it and try to explain again without a long rant
-and realize that apologizing for a mistake/misunderstanding doesn't make you weaker, in fact the opposite

(kind of mixing a couple other threads in here in the moral of the story, but couldn't help myself as it seems related)

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 2:35PM
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demifloyd(8)

Kinda like beating a dead horse that lost.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 2:40PM
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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

Kinda like beating a dead horse that lost.

Was the horse named Mitt?

*ba-dum ching*

Couldn't resist!

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 2:46PM
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demifloyd(8)

I don't think Mitt is dead!

I hope he has many years of living.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 2:53PM
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lily316(z5PA)

This is mostly my fault for not being more specific. I meant an electoral landslide as defined by Fox when they speculated what Mitt would carry. The popular vote in Florida and in the nation was not a landslide, but the electoral one was. (according to Fox)

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 3:16PM
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duluthinbloomz4

Somebody offered he'd write a book, become real active in his church, go back into to business while he still has all that "savvy". I doubt he'll be in big demand on the talking head circuit or be thought of as an "Elder Statesman". Someone tweeted (and I paraphrase) - He could go to Costco and buy shirts. Then he could buy Costco.

But I truly do wonder... who reaps the profit on all the left over Romney Romney/Ryan memorabelia? Per an official 'buy it' site, the $29.50 T-shirts were all marked down to $27.50. Such a deal!

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 3:27PM
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rob333

No fault needed when it's a misunderstanding.

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Who knows maybe the stuff will be worth something later on. Kinda like owning an Edsel now.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 3:38PM
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ENMc

Well, the Elections Division is getting involved now. The head of this Division is the Secretary of State, a repug, appointed by Scott. Remember what happened when another Secretary of State got called in to "help", Katherine Harris??

This is what happens when you give an inch. Murphy had enough of a lead that no recounting, re tabulating, etc., was required.

Who will oversee the Elections Division?

Somebody should.

E

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 5:26PM
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ohiomom

While we have all enjoyed the celebration, remember the dems were once upon and not that long ago in the same position as the repubs.

Move too far left or right and you end up losing national elections.

Lets see if the republicans take a page out of Clinton's book.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 5:42PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

I am going to say this and I am done.

I agree Rob did not usually play games and the reason I went into to bold and screaming. I do not play games either. I stand by what I say and say it over and over and scream too.

I thought maybe it was not seen what was said on Fox News and if we are using Elvis as one of the wonder...... the one that professed she saw Karl Rove on Fox Election Night. Then yes I think games are being played. So if you are using Elvis as your back up you lose creditability.

The one that felt we were picking bones if we were celebrating the win. I did say that there were only two post and they are easy to avoid if that person did not want to see the celebration.

So if the point was to come and cause any upset in the two threads that were easy to avoid because it was not appreciated that some were happy. I do not think it worked. It only serves as a reminder of what could not be done at the ballot box.

Have at it.....I am still dancing and flip flopping with the joy. I am done with the explanation unless Elvis would like to see another dance.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 7:08PM
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ann_t

I went back and re-read Marquest's post. To me it was obvious that she was referring to the Electoral College votes. 332 Electoral College votes, does equal a Landslide. I wouldn't think that anyone would believe that Marquest would consider 50% to 49.1% a landslide by any stretch of the imagination.

But, after reading it again, I don't doubt that some here did legitimately read it differently.

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elvis

Marquest, I love the little dancing guys--who wouldn't?

Ann said, "I wouldn't think that anyone would believe that Marquest would consider 50% to 49.1% a landslide by any stretch of the imagination."

And that's exactly why I took it to mean Florida votes. No claim that you make ever surprises me, but I figured I'd point out how nonsensical it was, since no one said a word. I read it literally, which is not easy to do with you (for obvious reasons, known to all who read your posts on a regular basis), but this particular post of yours was quite plain, coherent even. It didn't occcur to me that you weren't posting what you were thinking, I leave the assuming to others; I just responded to what you actually posted.

Yeesh. You could just say something like: "sorry; I should have been more clear". It would have been so simple if you had just clarified your statement from the jump.

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 10:51PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Or some posters could just quit making mountains out of molehills.

Kate

    Bookmark   November 13, 2012 at 11:47PM
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elvis

Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02

"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%."

Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"You think? I can't figure it out.
elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger, right?"

Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 2:47

"The Repubs always have trouble with math...ask Rove."

Posted by jodik 5 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 5:15

"Math, facts... anything concrete or tangible. Mind you, not all conservatives have issues with these things, but the more fanatical, the less grounded in reality... or so it would appear."
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Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02
"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.'
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger,
right?"
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"Present! Yes. i was responding to this:

"RE: Obama wins Florida

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:55

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!"

Guess she re-defined "landslide"."

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Who made a mountain here? I cited the statistics, Jill asked if i could count, lily snarked, jodi snarked, and here you are, Kate, snarking.

On the other hand, if you are talking about someone other than Rob or me in this "molehill to mountain" scenario, excuse me.

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elvis

Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02

"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%."

Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"You think? I can't figure it out.
elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger, right?"

Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 2:47

"The Repubs always have trouble with math...ask Rove."

Posted by jodik 5 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 5:15

"Math, facts... anything concrete or tangible. Mind you, not all conservatives have issues with these things, but the more fanatical, the less grounded in reality... or so it would appear."
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Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02
"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.'
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger,
right?"
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"Present! Yes. i was responding to this:

"RE: Obama wins Florida

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:55

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!"

Guess she re-defined "landslide"."

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Who made a mountain here? I cited the statistics, Jill asked if i could count, lily snarked, jodi snarked, and here you are, Kate, snarking.

On the other hand, if you are talking about someone other than Rob or me in this "molehill to mountain" scenario, excuse me.

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elvis

Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02

"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%."

Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"You think? I can't figure it out.
elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger, right?"

Posted by lily316 z5PA (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 2:47

"The Repubs always have trouble with math...ask Rove."

Posted by jodik 5 (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 5:15

"Math, facts... anything concrete or tangible. Mind you, not all conservatives have issues with these things, but the more fanatical, the less grounded in reality... or so it would appear."
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Posted by elvis 4b WI (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:02
"Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%.'
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Posted by jillinnj (My Page) on Sun, Nov 11, 12 at 0:36

"elvis - you do know which of those figures is larger,
right?"
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"Present! Yes. i was responding to this:

"RE: Obama wins Florida

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Sat, Nov 10, 12 at 13:55

I just saw it announced. PRESIDENT OBAMA WINS!!!!! IT WAS A LANDSLIDE!!!"

Guess she re-defined "landslide"."

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Who made a mountain here? I cited the statistics, Jill asked if i could count, lily snarked, jodi snarked, and here you are, Kate, snarking.

On the other hand, if you are talking about someone other than Rob or me in this "molehill to mountain" scenario, excuse me.

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marshallz10(z9-10 CA)

Was that fun? Copying and pasting was fun in first grade.

    Bookmark   November 14, 2012 at 12:49AM
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lily316(z5PA)

lol, Marshall. I was thinking the same thing.

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maddie_athome

Clear case of all-form-no-substance.

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marquest(z5 PA)

no-substance or credibility. You invited Robin in and gave her a sip of your kool-aid. You made quite a argument of what Karl Rove said and did not say. If Romney won it would be a landslide 279 Electoral College. Suddenly you were "landslide" clueless. That landslide word is only a legitimate rape if it is used for a Romney win.

Have fun.

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bill_vincent(Central Maine)

Heri thinks I'M over the top about Obama:

Here is a link that might be useful: Thinking he might qualify for a Darwin Award!

    Bookmark   November 14, 2012 at 8:18PM
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lily316(z5PA)

OMG!!! Talk about a right wing nut job. Although I might have been tempted if Romney won.

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rob333

Whoa! that is the epitome of a "right wing nut job", 'cept he has a "partner". That surprises me, but makes me glad. It must be getting more acceptable. There is a use for the name RWNJ.

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mar- Don't drag me into your argument against elvis. I'm perfectly capable of thinking for myself. There is more than one right way to think. Disagreeing with you doesn't make me brainwashed. It might even make me smarter. Time will tell.

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marquest(z5 PA)

mar- Don't drag me into your argument against elvis. Disagreeing with you doesn't make me brainwashed. It might even make me smarter. Time will tell.

Rob I love a debate and different opinion. You injected (drag) Elvis into your disagreement........LOL

I've gone back over it. Elvis and I were looking at the popular vote because no one said electoral college until halfway down. Elvis makes both.......

I do not have an argument with elvis. I seldom read her responses because they are personal attacks to Lily or me or other posters she is a equal opportunity attack "the posters" and not the subject. So it is useless to have a discussion with that element.

If you had said "I" only elvis name would not have come into my response. I was expressing if you are stating that elvis did not understand the "landslide" was electoral she was not a creditable person in that argument. Because she had heard the Landslide was 279 Electoral College if it was for Romney on her Fox station. This is not a guess on my part, it is her statement of election night channel she would watch.

Do you understand now why elvis name was used in my response?

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rob333

You included me in the Rove arguments in which I didn't contribute.

It's game playing and I don't appreciate it. I don't accept elvis on a whole any more than I do anyone else.

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marquest(z5 PA)

Rob are did I misquote your sentence?

I've gone back over it. Elvis and I were looking at the popular vote because no one said electoral college until halfway down. Elvis makes both.......

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rob333

I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE ROVE ARGUMENTS

get it now?

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haydayhayday

Personally I think we should leave these routines to the pros.

Abbott and Costello.

"Who's on second? No, Who's on first....."

Although you do give Abbott and Costello a good run for their money.

Hay

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marquest(z5 PA)

I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE ROVE ARGUMENTS

get it now?

The Rove/Fox argument is this Landslide discussion. Not a argument.

1. When you said "Elvis and you" did not understand the Landslide.

2. Elvis knew that if Romney had 279 Electoral Votes it was a landslide according to Rove/Fox.

I go back to your words.

I've gone back over it. Elvis and I were looking at the popular vote because no one said electoral college until halfway down. Elvis makes both.......

No one needed to say Electoral College because Elvis knew.

Perhaps you do not understand that Fox/Rove are one and the same. But according to your WORDS elvis and you are confused. I was saying Elvis is/was not confused. But you used her NAME as part of YOUR confusion.

It would be helpful if you try to understand there is no ARGUMENT. It is a discussion of what is fact of who is confused. I can discuss a issue without it being a Argument. It is not hostile.

If it is a game I can play that also but I am going into this with facts.

FACTS
Elvis/ Rove/Fox are the discussion of this Landslide understanding.

You used elvis name in your response to the Landslide misunderstanding.

I did not drag you into any elvis words. That was your support, words, use however you chose to address that issue.

Does this explanation make it clear?

If not I can go back and go line by line and make it clearer. I do not like to go copy past, copy paste because I think people can go back and read the entire discussion but I can do that if you do not understand.

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haydayhayday

"If not I can go back and go line by line and make it clearer."

Oh, please do!!!!

Hay

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marquest(z5 PA)

Oh, please do!!!!

Nope. Do not want to be elvis.

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rob333

Oh, please do!
Ha! Hay, you're killing me. mar is just kind of spewing out there, but I love your take on it. We need one of your good looking bird or hydrangea pictures.

mar you don't get it, you'll never get and it matters not to me if you get it.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Then why bother to bring it up?

Kate

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hamiltongardener(CAN 6a)

Guys, this was just a small misunderstanding. I hate to see it escalate like this.

Mar, Robin simply misunderstood... just as Elvis did and just as I did at first. It doesn't mean she's drinking the kool-aid.

This is such a small matter of some small wording.

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rob333

Kate,

Why not ask mar, why? Why didn't mar drop it, even when everyone else did? Why post to say "then why bother to bring it up"? Why not think it and move on? Why does anyone post anything? Typical of you though, always my monitor. You'd disagree with something I said if you said the exact same thing the day before, because I said it.

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demifloyd(8)

Rob--welcome to the club.

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elvis

Posted by marquest z5 PA (My Page) on Wed, Nov 14, 12 at 6:00

"no-substance or credibility. You invited Robin in and gave her a sip of your kool-aid. You made quite a argument of what Karl Rove said and did not say. If Romney won it would be a landslide 279 Electoral College. Suddenly you were "landslide" clueless. That landslide word is only a legitimate rape if it is used for a Romney win."

marquest, you are a very confused woman. I didn't invite Rob anywhere; check it out. Karl Rove isn't a topic on this thread; check it out. I'll leave "landslide clueless" to you; one little comment from me: "Ummm. Florida...the president: 50%; Romney 49.1%." It doesn't matter what you now say you meant; my comment was in response to what you did say. You misspoke; not my problem, don't try to make it my problem. And don't make it Hamilton's problem or Rob's problem.

That last sentence: "That landslide word is only a legitimate rape if it is used for a Romney win."

I don't want to understand you; I'd rather be bitten by a rattlesnake. Such venom.

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marquest(z5 PA)

I am fine. There is no Argument and you did inject Elvis name I think you realize that is what happened now. Since you agreed that it was your statement.

We can agree that you did not understand that the landslide was the Electoral College.

Discussion done. Not an argument but a discussion.

I am still happy.....

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jerzeegirl(9)

In case you haven't heard, Allen West finally conceded. They did a recount of the early votes in St. Lucie County and Patrick Murphy ended up with more votes! I guess West saw the writing on the wall. So I wonder how long it will take for him to turn up on Fox News as a host.

    Bookmark   November 20, 2012 at 10:14AM
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