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Hi garden83
Welcome
How are your eary starters working out? How many have you got going? I'm in Mass as well. I really would like to get my early starters out well,early but i am holding back. Today it was only in the 50's so i think i'm doing the right thing.
How long have you been a 'Dahlia Gardener'?
Update per Tracy's request:
I have 118 Dahlias, representing 18 varieties, in 4" pots that are definitely rooted. A few are >12" tall, however most are less but filling out nicely despite not being topped. These are largely from the 17 varieties I over-wintered from last year. A couple, like Emory Paul and Seduction, just barely made it giving me only 2 viable cuttings. I have a lot to learn about taking cuttings.
In addition to those above, I have 49 of my 68 Dahlias that I am planting in my own Dahlia gardens rooted in 4" pots. This represents 32 of the 48 varieties Im planting this year. There are 5 varieties, all 2008 tubers, which I have not yet been able to take a cutting from (despite them arriving on March 12.) At least they all have eyes. Ive had only one dud 2008 tuber, a Sayonara, but luckily I ordered 4 of them.
My inexperience in taking cuttings has led to days where I take a lot, but none take root. I was under-watering thinking it would stimulate root growthwhich I now believe to be totally wrong thanks to some advice. I also think I was taking cuttings either too early or simply not ensuring that there was a viable node going into the soil. At one point a week or so ago I went through all of my cuttings and dipped those that werent growing into rooting hormone. I think this exercise was a mistakedisturbing them wasnt a good idea I think.
Meanwhile, I replaced my lighting in my sunroom and built a bench in there to sit the 4" pots on. The bench is 16 long and 16" wide. I found some stove protectors that hold 16 4"x4" pots perfectly, and the bench holds 12 of these trays. Thats room for 170 Dahlias. The new lighting fills my 20x20 sunroom amazingly, and is only costing me ~1.2kWhr/day running 14 hours. Im going out tomorrow to get the pieces for another bench of the same size, as the first one is almost completely full. If my new idea for a shelf works out, Ill re-arrange the lighting to hang more closely to the plants and eliminate my rack shelving I had in the main house. Right now the sunroom lighting is ~8 above the lights so I know it could be better, but the Dahlias dont seem to be suffering.
I could use some advice on small stakes. A few of the Dahlias are getting to the point where they could use some staking. I have 36" stakes, but theyd be too big I think in a 4" pot amongst others.
Meanwhile, I planted a few old tubers in some indoor containers. I want to see if I can keep these growing year round. Im using Lemon Tart and Purple Taiheijo for this experiment. I have one small Lemon Tart tuber clump that has 2 main stems which Im allowing to grow as is. Its amazing, and it wouldnt surprise me if I see blooms starting this week. The dogs managed to break off the best Purple Taiheijo stem, but luckily there are several others there ready to take its place.
Outside, my new Dahlia gardens around the pond and stream have been finished. It remains only for me to go out and measure and paint in my Dahlia codes. Im a little worried that my design isnt going to transfer to real-life 1:1, cause Im not sure where Ill put them if not there. This week were having rain, and possibly snow, so I have time to think about it;-]
I made up a binder of my pictures of my 2007 Dahlias so people coming to buy have something to look at. I made each picture "life sized" to give them the best impression. My first ad ran last Friday and I sold 2 on Saturday, at $5 each. I was sorta hoping sales would free up space on my benchwishful thinking;-]
Finally, I will admit to being overwhelmed as Dale suggested before. I am being ruthless with my cuttings now, especially for my 2007 tubers. If I have a viable cutting, and a new cutting isnt rooting, I toss it. Ive had so many different thoughts about what a good cutting is Im losing perspective. All I know is that I cant stand a wilted and black-leafed cutting. After taking more than 400 cuttings, Im now really only interested in making sure I get viable cuttings from those that I have not yet gotten. I still hold out hope that all of my plantings will be from cuttingsbut if I have to; Ill plant tubers come the 24th of May.
Live and learnright;-]
I will have time to do the web site once my Dahlias are planted out, or, after I decide to stop taking cuttings. Sorry, but it will be there for next year, I promise.
Cheers,
Russ
well you can certainly start sprouting them indoors. Put them on newspaper in a warm place. make sure they don't dry out. Check them and if they are getting a bit wrinkly give them a light mist of water. That will hopefully hold you until planting time and give you a head start. In addtion when you see eyes pop and sprout you will know which way to face them in the hole. (laying flat, sprouts facing up.)
Those "fingers" that fell off won't grow - they aren't attached to a part of the stem so won't have any eyes. Whoever told you they would grow doesn't know much about dahlias- or was lieing to you.
Did you see any eyes- or shoots on the tubers that you planted? How soon they come up depends on how deep you planted them & how warm it is where they are planted- dahlias like the ground to be about 60* - if it's cold & wet they'll likely just sit there & not grow until the ground warms up- or they'll rot if it's really cold & wet.
Ellie
Thanks Ellie, I feel rather let down by the supplier. Oh well! The tubers themselves were planted with the eyes about 3-4 inches below the surface. The temp has warmed considerably here in the last week or so but I dont know the soil temp exactly. I shall wait and see. I have dedicated quite a large area to dahlias so hopefully they will come on strong. Thanks again. Kat
I live in Springfield missouri and for four years havn't been digging up my dahlias. Well they are already coming up again this spring. I have about 30 clumps along my fence. When I planted them I dug holes about 5 or 6 inches deep. I don't put mulch on them in fall. They are in full sun so maybe in the winter the sun keeps the ground warm. They are the tall variety, getting from four to seven feet tall in august.
What's up with GW? It doesn't let me add a link to the first post anymore ... here it is.
Here is a link that might be useful: Old House Gardens dahlias
Don't know about that particular dahlia-- I think they can all be grown from cuttings-- but this is worth a try. I learned this method from plantlady2 & have never had a cutting not root. Take a small plastic container- about 2" deep & 1-2" wide, slice a few cuts in the bottom & fill with sterile playground sand. Put the small container into a larger container & add about 1" of water to the larger container. Now you have a small container of wet sand (it takes up the water) inside a larger container that has water in it. Do your cutting, dip it in rooting hormone, poke a hole in the wet sand, put in the cutting & firm the sand up around it. The cuttings done this way don't need any misting or any fussing around with- just make sure the outside container always has water in it so the sand doesn't dry out. When you get roots then transplant it into a pot with potting soil in it. You are basically growing the cutting in water- hydroponically- the sand just keeps the cutting from falling over. & before anyone says "they will rot"-- they don't. You can also get cuttings to start by just putting them in water but then they fall around & are a pain in the butt to keep from falling out of the container. Be sure you have removed at least one set of leaves & have the node under the sand- just as you would if you were doing a cutting & putting it into soil.
Ellie
If they are "all soft and falling apart", then they are done. Sorry for your loss. Sometimes, that happens if they weren't stored or shipped properly.
What you did sounds like the right thing to do.
I had someone give me dahlias several years ago. She was so proud of the fact that she had trimmed them nicely. Alas, she actually trimmed off the part where the eyes should be. She was upset because hers did not come back either. Gardening is a learning experience.
hI
Russ says froat will kill them. I grew collarette and pompom from seed. They came back up two years in a row. Then we had a year with a horrible cold and wet week which did kill them, but some known hardy plants were done in too. I am in zone seven and they were planted on the south side of the house. I guess they are half hardy?
Congratulations Linnea! You're going to have a long and early dahlia season! I am just potting up now and was happy to have one be 6 inches tall LOL. If you saw the condition of our foul, cold, completely soggy soil you would know I am in no hurry to plant outdoors.
I would "hold your horses" until danger of frost is past. I am in zone 5 also, and won't plant in the ground until the end of next month, since we usually have frost then. It has been a strange spring though, so it is anyone's guess.
I have planted a whole lot of things in the ground so far over the past 2 weeks. Earlier this week, I planted some ornamental grasses, one of them being a 9ft variety.
Things you can plant now:
Generally the following plants CAN be planted NOW:
All Nursery stock including:
Trees
Flowering Shrubs
Evergreens
Roses
Vines
Perennials including:
Grasses
Groundcovers
Many vegetables like onions, cabbage and lettuce (but not tomatoes and peppers)
Many herbs
Annuals like pansies
I am in Zone 5b. My giant colocasia and alocasia tubers are doing well in pots though
Most definitely. They need to be in a separate pot and in sun. I have mine outside on my driveway in the sun right now. If it gets cold, I will bring them back into the garage. The natural sun light is preferable to artificial lighting, as they don't tend to get too tall and lanky with natural light.
I almost did the same thing. If you planted them 4 to 6 inches deep, they should be all right unless it remains in the 30 degree temp for a few days. Nothing I can think of you doing. I am sure they will be all right. I do have a few in and am more worried about the rain.