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davids10 z7a nv.

collarettes but definitely a dahlia/nice from seed

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 12:59AM
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What I've got going so farThis one is the Vancouver
Posted by MyOtherHomeIsAGarden June 16, 2014
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DiggingInTheDirt(6b-PA)

Beautiful! Breathtaking! So jealous!

    Bookmark     June 18, 2014 at 10:21AM
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milly35(6)

How lovely!! The color is great!!

    Bookmark     June 19, 2014 at 11:24PM
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teddahlia

I would not cut it back but just keep it watered and it will recover in a week or so. Worst case would be that some of the foliage will die and it will sprout from lower down on the plant. There is plenty of time for it to catch up with other plants.

    Bookmark     June 16, 2014 at 4:34PM
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portia(PA 6B, Brandywine)

I planted an already started in a pot tuber with 2 few-inch sprouts on it a few weeks ago, made a mental note to label it and then walked away and got distracted as I often do. A few days later I stepped on it walking through the bed, ugh, I was so mad at myself! Well the 2 stems broke so I just snapped them off and figured that the thing would hopefully recover and worst was that it would lag a bit behind it's partner/companion dahlia in growth since it had to start from scratch.

I was so surprised when the other day I noticed it has THREE new sprouts coming up and they are almost as tall as the other one which didn't experience a break! It is almost like the thing did better because the sprouts broke off...interesting for sure. If I was brave I'd try it with others lol.

So you may be pleasantly surprised if you do break off the sprout, here's hoping for you!

    Bookmark     June 17, 2014 at 8:42AM
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teddahlia

The dahlias grow much taller than most flowers and and will do just fine. Many beginner gardeners plant too many things together. you will learn by experience how much space each plant needs.

    Bookmark     June 16, 2014 at 4:37PM
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mrsmortarmixer

It looks a lot like my persimmon seedlings that come up every year. Do you have any persimmons around?

    Bookmark     May 31, 2014 at 8:33PM
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Tiffan

Got it, it's a bitter nut hickory. It's out already. Whew! Thanks all!

    Bookmark     June 16, 2014 at 1:01AM
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gardenper(8)

That's what I do...buy some early to make sure I get strong and good tubers/plants, then buy some additional ones when they go on sale or clearance.

It will also be worth it to learn how to propagate by cuttings so one could have even more dahlias (and later by separating the bulbs, depending on how much time one will want to wait before doing that)

    Bookmark     June 13, 2014 at 10:35AM
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portia(PA 6B, Brandywine)

Update, the tubers came and they were very nice, firm, large with multiple tiny sprouts already. I got them in the ground this wkd so we'll see!

I definitely would love to propagate via cuttings, have to research that one.

    Bookmark     June 15, 2014 at 1:17PM
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darcy_d(5b)

Congrats!! What beautiful gardens you have!!

    Bookmark     June 13, 2014 at 12:42PM
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mandolls(4)

I sometimes border the front edges of the Dahlia beds, but even planting 18-24" apart, once the Dahlias get going, I don't think there is enough sun for even impatiens within the bed. I have been growing bedding Dahlias from seed to use at the front edge, and have lots of petunias this year that may get placed in a few spots. Most Dahlias are such "show offs" that it isn't easy for me to mix them with my other plants.

    Bookmark     June 8, 2014 at 7:10AM
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gardenper(8)

I think it may not be exactly "under the plant" but maybe in front or next to it. The reason is that my dahlias get pretty bushy and can probably block out good light to any plants directly under it (or as the case may be, when it first starts out, it looks like it needed filler but as the season goes on, the dahlia takes up at least 1-1.5 feet width.

So yes, just plant around the dahlia to add color or complement to the dahlia area.

    Bookmark     June 13, 2014 at 10:52AM
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CCvacation

This bedding dahlia is most likely mass propagated by cuttings, and is intended to be treated as an annual. It's also possible that it is from seed, but I doubt it. Seeds normally result in plants with mostly open-centered flowers. Dahlias do not produce seed true to the parent.

You CAN dig it up and overwinter, and you CAN divide the tuber clump....
however, my experience with this type of plant has taught me to not bother. But then again, I mostly grow the 3 foot and up varieties, so I'm biased.

If this little guy was grown from a cutting and not another tuber, it makes for tough dividing, and what tubers you might get are often scrawny little things that I've had a hard time overwintering. It's better kept as a clump, and before planting out the following spring, you might be able to cut it in half if you can keep a sprout on each half.

It most definitely is not Barbershop, which grew to four feet with 5 inch blooms for me last year. Your bedding dahlia IS definitely cute, though!

    Bookmark     June 10, 2014 at 7:21PM
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gardenper(8)

It looks a little bit like dahlia "Mystery Day", though I'm sure there are some others with a similar pattern that someone might be able to distinguish better.

Although it is generally recommended to split every few years, but some do split the tubers every year, because they want more plants in a shorter amount of time. Just consider that case that you could get 2-3 or more plants every time you split, so doing it every year will give you that much more, even if the tubers are smallish, but as long as you have a plant that blooms that can later be split again in that same year, that is the goal.

    Bookmark     June 13, 2014 at 10:32AM
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mandolls(4)

It will be fine to top up the soil. Dahlias dont mind deep buried stems.

    Bookmark     June 2, 2014 at 7:23AM
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CCvacation

In fact, if you bury extra stem when you first plant out, it might give you extra tubers that fall from each leaf junction under the soil.

Doubtful that they will do that once the stems start hardening, but it can happen. I've known several growers that stuck a large lateral branch that snapped off into the ground, and it grew roots. Only younger stems have rooted outside for me, though.

    Bookmark     June 12, 2014 at 10:55AM
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highlandernorth

I started some tubers between May 25th and June 11th back in 2011, and the ones I started later were actually later blooming large dinnerplate dahlias(85-90 days til bloom) and they started blooming in early September. I dont think its too late. In fact, they really dont start growing well until the temps get warmer anyway, which means they really should be planted when the daily highs are at least in the 70's to 80's.

If your dahlias are smaller, faster blooming types then maybe you will get blooms by mid August if you plant them now. Otherwise they will start in September. But thats OK because they will still bloom for nearly 2 months til first frost(depending on when your first frost occurs).

    Bookmark     June 12, 2014 at 1:28AM
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portia(PA 6B, Brandywine)

I am getting one last order of tubers this wkd and they are going right in, might be a bit late but we'll see! I also have pots that I started that are a few inches tall going in this week. I had to stagger plantings since I was also getting beds ready. Good luck!

    Bookmark     June 12, 2014 at 9:05AM
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linaria_gw

Hi CC,
how are you,

great to see that you are posting again.

Did you have a good start into the season?

Here just a pic I found today when sorting my files and moving them onto another computer,
so we know what we are waiting for.

A yellow sport of Vulkan in my last year`s garden

bye, Lin

    Bookmark     June 11, 2014 at 8:33AM
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portia(PA 6B, Brandywine)

I disrupted some of the pot-tubers when I transplanted, didn't seem to really set them back as long as they got enough water and I didn't do it during a hot spell. There's only been 1-2 that seem to be kind of struggling/stopped for now out of the 12 I have in the ground so far. Have to finish the rest this wkd!

    Bookmark     June 10, 2014 at 6:15PM
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portia(PA 6B, Brandywine)

I disrupted some of the pot-tubers when I transplanted, didn't seem to really set them back as long as they got enough water and I didn't do it during a hot spell. There's only been 1-2 that seem to be kind of struggling/stopped for now out of the 12 I have in the ground so far. Have to finish the rest this wkd!

    Bookmark     June 11, 2014 at 7:39AM
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mike_jw(London. UK)

I've solved the mystery, although it wasn't really a mystery.
As 'linaria' suggested "misslabeling accidentally", not really - it was a case of no labelling at all!

I only had two varieties; one lot were stored in the basement, the others in the garden shed. I thought I was certain which was which.
A proper case of "egg on my face" :)

    Bookmark     June 10, 2014 at 10:58AM
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CCvacation

"i had always thought the bigger the tuber mass the better-swan said to always plant single tubers-counter intuitive but they are right"

In addition, most experienced growers will always pick the smaller to medium sized tuber to grow over a really large one of the same variety. The plants from the bigger tubers often don't produce as many tubers as the smaller tuber plants.

However, the flowers and plant of the same variety are the comparable regardless of the initial tuber size.

    Bookmark     June 10, 2014 at 5:28PM
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portia(PA 6B, Brandywine)

That makes sense, thanks!! I also read another dahlia grower mention not to use cow manure so I didn't quite understand what the downside was. Her tubers are HUGE at the end of the season so she must be doing something right.

    Bookmark     June 8, 2014 at 11:46AM
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teddahlia

Huge tubers would be great if you are growing them to eat. Experienced dahlia growers shun overly large tubers as they do not grow very well. Medium sized tubers are best, about the size of a hen's egg or perhaps slightly bigger. Manures are excellent products if used during the first half of the growing season. Phil Damp was an exhibition grower who over fertilized his flowers on purpose. He won many prizes with them. He knew that by using so much manure that the dahlias would produce excellent show flowers but that any hopes of storing the tubers would be futile. He grew another garden where he put tubers or rooted cuttings into 6 inch pots and gave them almost no fertilizer. These small tuber clumps were used to make rooted cuttings for his show garden the next year.

    Bookmark     June 8, 2014 at 2:03PM
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