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It sounds like you have spider mites. Take a piece of white paper and put it under the leaves where you see the spider webs and shake the plant. The mites are usually on the underside of the leaves. If you have red or black things hit the paper then you can see them and they will leave a residue when you crush them with your finger. Also, the leaves are browning from the bottom of the plant up indicate spider mites.
Getting rid of them is the hard part. The best product is Avid which has a systemic action but is VERY expensive to purchase. Next find a product that says will kill spider mites, and maybe some others can make recommendations to you. Whatever you use you need to use it three times about three days apart so you kill them in all stages of development. You must spray on the under sides of the leaves. Then spray for them weekly as a preventive measure.
If not killed they will kill every plant they get on in your garden.
Take a look at the DS of Georgia newsletter for June 2007, Page 4, and July 2006, page 2 for a discussion of spider mites and other bugs.
Here is a link that might be useful: Dahlia Society of Georgia


I have been growing dahlias for several years, usually from bulbs. Last year I was anxious for blooms so I bought two blooming plants. The dahlias grown from bulbs were wonderful, but the established plants I bought were terrible.
One year I started the bulbs inside, but they didn't do any better than the bulbs started outside.
I LOVE DAHLIAS

I find that they don't get quite as tall after pinching, but they are fuller and give more flowers. However, mine grew to close to 4 feet last year after pinching. If one wanted to "show" your dahlias in a competition, then one would be better not to pinch, getting larger flowers and straight stems. If one wants more flowers, pinch the leader and get more flowers, albeit a little smaller flowers.

What I have heard about dahlias and deer is that if a mother
deer doesn't know that they are edible she will not teach her fawn to eat them...but if she does know and eats them then she will teach all her children that that they are good food! It seems to me that she tells all her girlfriends too so they then tell their younguns that they can eat them!
When I lived at the central part of the island they did not bother my dahlias at all. I moved to the southern end and The only ones I can leave outside the fence are some around the driveway tucked into the lilacs. They did get a few nibbles last year but did not get eaten down to the roots.
THen my ducks discoverd that dahlias were good and ate all the fancy ones in my mixed perennial and rose garden by the front door..inside the deer fence.
This tells me that deer and ducks do communicate...and will gang up on you!
So far this year the deer have not discovered the dahlias growing in a parking strip bed that has lavender and cannas and alliums. Origonally it was to hold all my most special dahias but that idea did not last long!
Never trust any animal around your dahlias. If it does not eat them it will take a nap on them!

I always pinch off the lower leaves, as it allows for better air circulation, and hence there is less probability for mold to start. Do both,- add soil and pinch off the bottom leaves to about 6 inches above the soil when it is tall enough. The plants will love it.

Thanks jroot, that is what I'm going to do. I have a heavier container mix in my potted dahlias and I was reluctant to bury those leaves for fear of rot. The ones planted out in the garden still have a little way to go before I can pinch so maybe I'll experiment with some pinched and some buried.

Wood ashes are usually considered for potash content which help tubers to form. Check out the website below which discusses wood ashes.
You can use Mor-Bloom 0-10-10 which is an Alaska Corporation product at the rate of one quart a week per plant as a drench and this will stiffen your stems without giving the plants any nitrogen. The mixture rate is one tablespoon per gallon. You can also use it as a spray. You can find Mor-Bloom on the net or Lowe's and Home Depot now carry some Alaska products.
Here is a link that might be useful: UCONN IPM: Homegrounds: using wood ashes in the garden

Poochella - if you had seen how I mistreated my tubers.... I should have planted them out weeks before I got them in the ground. I also did something new with my container mix and I'm nervous that they won't like it. Last year I used straight Pro-Mix out of the bag for my containers and it stayed very wet all summer - has a lot of peat in it. My tuber production last year was really weak and the tubers didn't grow well - altho I had plenty of flowers, but I think we broke records for cloudy days and rain. So this year I mixed up container mix, Sweet Peet ( composted chips and cow manure ) and about 25% of a heavy shredded mulch for drainage. I put in 2 layers of Bulbtone - 1 way down in the pots and then one closer to the tubers. I use big 40 and 60 gallon containers on my deck for dahlias. Its going to be a very porous mix and of course this year is already a scorcher. It will be 95 tomorrow and we haven't had rain in 2 weeks.
I am trialing just 6 dahlias out in the garden to see if I can keep the critters off them. At least there are uninteresting perennials in front like peonies that the deer won't eat. This year of course I have my Otto's, and I decided to do screaming hot colors - orange Papageno, purple Thomas Edison, White Perfection, and pink Omega.
I also grow lilies in pots and I set a nice container of unknown asiatics that I forgot I planted last year till they sprouted.. out next to a bench. This morning my strongtoothed friends had nipped off the buds and left the pretty green stalks for me to enjoy. I sprayed pepper spray over my whole garden today. Blasted 4 legged rats.

I find that the direct planted dahlias catch up to the ones started in the greenhouse. The only benefit to starting early in my mind is with the late flowering varieties, and the tubors that don't look to good in early Spring. This gives them the benefit of not getting eaten by nasty little critters at soil level.


I use about 1/2 cup of bonemeal in each hole when planting and side dress with granular 6-12-12 twice during the growing season when plants are still in the green stage and again after four weeks, but not too late in the fall when plants are dying back as you want the energy to go back into tubor.

Gray Barn Nursery on 202 and Sahalee Way had packaged tubers left late last week. Maybe 5-6 varieties. Sprouting too, not quite dessicated messes yet. I did not look for potted dahlias there.
PSDA might be a good outlet for you. If nothing else, ask around there and some kind soul might be able to help you out. I'd help you out, but I had to do a last minute order myself last week. There's another party in east King Co that might help you; if you have an email on your member page, I'll send that info there.
Here is a link that might be useful: Gray Barn Nursery

I might have a few extra potted dahlias. Would you be interested in meeting me at the Fauntleroy Ferry dock (west Seattle) at a prearranged time to get them? I will check what duplicates I have tomorrow if you are interested. I live on Vashon Island.
lilymolady@gmail.com

There really isn't a classification by height, but the link below will take you to one site specializing in shorter dahlias. For short ones like the 12" goal you mention, I'd just stick with the annual dahlias you can find at the big stores Lowe's Home Depot etc. But for real excitement and variety, there's nothing like the 3-4-5+ footers.
Enjoy your newfound love of dahlias.
Here is a link that might be useful: Container sized dahlias

If you check out Ferncliff Gardens, they have quite the selections. You can at least get an idea of what you'd like! Either check the Miniature or Bedding.
You could try Suitzuz Julie 14" purply pink (very pretty) and Longwood Dainty 20" orange/peach in colour (my fav from last year)
Just a thought :)


