3,226 Garden Web Discussions | Dahlias

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Poochella(7 WA)

Dig whenever you want, the tubers don't seem to care. I'm halfway done now and the coldest it's been was a brief overnight dip to 32 degrees- no frost, otherwise generally in the 40's or 50's.

I would be more cautious or discourage pulling on the stems for anything but the final lifting of the clump out of the ground ESPECIALLY if it's wet. That heavy/moist soil and torque coming out of the ground can easily break your tubers. See the link for sound digging advice and photos and follow them.

Note the line where it says "Eyes begin to swell quickly, typically within 4 to 8 days after the plant is destroyed by frost or **being cut down**..." That's why I don't wait for a frost, I could be waiting a long time. To me, the whacking of the plant is what shocks it into survival mode; just like a killing frost would. By not waiting for a frost, I find tuber digging and dividing more palatable now than in 30 degrees and soaking wet, and I still get the benefit of visible eyes by tubers trying their best to survive.
Good luck. Be gentle!

Here is a link that might be useful: digging dahlias

    Bookmark     November 1, 2005 at 12:47AM
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jamlover(z4 Iowa)

And if you have a fork instead of a shovel___I have less tuber damage with a fork____and less back stress!!!!

    Bookmark     November 1, 2005 at 8:14AM
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plantlady2(NW Washington)

Some people think that it might kill bacteria, mold, etc. to prevent rot over the winter. We've never used it & we don't seem to miss it.

    Bookmark     October 31, 2005 at 7:28PM
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plantlady2(NW Washington)

Your heartbreaker has reverted to one of it's parents & most likely shouldn't be traded as Heartbreaker. It won't come back varigated again.

    Bookmark     October 31, 2005 at 7:21PM
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brittneysgran(Zone 6)

Paul,
I visited a dahlia farm this year and the owner told me you have to keep and watch dahlias for something like 3-4 years to make sure EVERY FLOWER is always the same. Then they are called show dahlias and you can enter them in shows. I thought I was confused about some of mine because I would take a picture of a bloom and the next picture I would take was different. I thought I was getting the names confused.

Shirley

    Bookmark     October 31, 2005 at 7:28PM
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albert_135(Sunset 2 or 3)

I have been lurking around here for several months and posted a question once or twice. I said all that to say this; I have seen several references to "saran wrap" and wondered if anyone had tried Glad Press and Seal. I never cared for Saran Wrap but I came into some Press and Seal and its performance for other uses is quite superior. Perhaps it would be better for dahlias too.

    Bookmark     October 31, 2005 at 1:33PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Vmarcos, the vermiculite is in a gallon ziploc with about 1/3 - 1/2 cup sulphur powder added so you have some substance to help spread out the sulphur so it isn't caked on. I'd guess 4 Cups vermiculite, add more if needed. Add more sulphur if after rolling, gently shaking or topsy-turvying a group of tubers a few times only a light coating of yellow dust is seen on tubers. You want it fairly evenly spread but not caked on- that would just be overkill. My rule of thumb is: if I can read the No Blot ink letters easily, I need to add more sulphur. Usually just a few turns and gentle shakes and they'll be dusted well.

There is a great photo montage of Bernie's Saran Wrap method here somewhere. You can wrap several tubers in one long sheet of wrap (I actually like different brands than Saran)just completely enclose one in a roll before adding in another tuber. Keep wrap between all tuber surfaces, in other words. Some big honkers you might have to wrap singly, or lengthwise due to their size. I have had to double wrap some to make sure the ends were covered: one sheet one way, another sheet the other way; Tape edges pretty well, label if you want and away they go.

Let us know how the eye pencil works. You'll have the prettiest tubers in town!

To see photos of the Saran wrap sequence google "No Fuss Method"

    Bookmark     October 31, 2005 at 1:42PM
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mikeybob

The plant had a second flower but it lacked the red stripe that I liked. At least I got a picture of it.

    Bookmark     October 18, 2005 at 8:02PM
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Loretta NJ Z6

Are these seeds from Wayne Holland? I got clarion seeds mixed with others from him a couple of years ago including from scented plants. I have been growing them ever since. They are a lot of fun. You never know what you will get. You will find the character of the flower will change a little as the plant matures, the weather cools, water and fertilizer, etc. Also, they change year to year. If you save the tubers, you will get earlier flowers next year.

    Bookmark     October 30, 2005 at 12:09AM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

As requested, here is the link. Enjoy. I use it frequently and am quite satisfied.

Use the Join Now link at the top left of the home page

Here is a link that might be useful: link to photobucket

    Bookmark     October 29, 2005 at 10:09PM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

..... but some refrigerators actually dehydrate. I know my frost free fridge dehydrates most things. So one has to be careful there. Rule out the unattached shed as it is too cold. If you have an extra "beer fridge" which does not dehydrate, you could set it well above the freezing temperature. Is there a part of your garage that is colder than other parts, where they could be wrapped up and insulated with old blankets, and put into a box ( after the initial fungicide/saran wrap treatment)? ...just some thoughts.

    Bookmark     October 28, 2005 at 10:11AM
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DianeKaryl(z5ONT)

Alexa, the area of your garage that is next to your inside wall can be anywhere from 3 to 5 degrees milder than the other parts of the garage simply by heat making it thru the wall.

If you can put the clumps into boxes, surrounded by peat moss/dry sand/vermiculite....or electronic bubble plastic...it might be protected there sufficiently.
It would depend a lot on just how severe your winter is.

You didn't mention it but are you aware of the "saran" wrap method of cocooning dahlia rubers for overwinter storage.
It takes quite a bit of courage to actually tear all the individual tubers off the clump and expect them to come to anything in the spring.
But that is how the American Dahlia Society now emphasizes growers to do.

    Bookmark     October 28, 2005 at 3:27PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Don't panic! You can't always wait someone's ideal time on digging. I am digging as soon as two days after cutting plants down and it isn't making one bit of difference as far as I can see, so far. As a matter of fact, I find the tubers are 'juicier' and rather easier to cut into than after waiting 4-8 days. They otherwise seem to be behaving just like any other year when I waited longer to dig after cutting them down.

So do you have clumps all together still sitting around, or did you try to divide into individual tubers? I can't tell. Pale and smooth is good! You must have cleaned them up very well. Soft might not be so good, you want them pretty firm like a carrot or potato. Mist them with a spritz of water and cover with newspaper for a day if they seem dry/soft.
See posts on dividing, and the websites available with good photos to give you direction. Whether you store as a clump, or 1/4 clumps, or individual tubers, you will want to protect them from freezing somewhere.

Pruning won't make your flowers any bigger than they are meant to be. You might get a better version of your intended flower, but you'll never get a 10 inch monster out of what was born meant to be a a 3 inch flower. Which means I will never be 6 feet tall and have trouble finding shoes!

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 11:10PM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

I usually cut, dig and wrap in the same day or within two days. If I can't see an eye, I can keep them together, and split them in the spring. .... no biggie...

    Bookmark     October 28, 2005 at 10:25AM
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Poochella(7 WA)

This is one of those toughies!

Little red circles around possible visible eyes. Further washing would help you out here and don't forget the value of a squirt bottle for tight spaces while dividing.
Try to trace which tuber best belongs to those eyes- might be two at a 90 degree angle; cut them both as one entity and store awkwardly that way.

Far right circle might go with # 2
Middle circle might go with #3
Hope that the far left circle goes with # 4 because #1 looks like a real tough customer.

If you trim the obvious/good tubers first, you might have a better visual of where you can separate some of those big stems. Often, multi stemmed plants will just sort of separate themselves once you get a few tubers untangled. Sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and get out a chisel and HACK. Try trimming the big stems off and chisel down the middle of those stem stubs. Haven't had to do that yet, but I have many clumps to go yet. Some are just monsters, even in only one season of growing.

Good luck!

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 10:50PM
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jamlover(z4 Iowa)

Thanks Poochella, I was tempted to just wrap it up and wait until spring. (Then probably stick it in the ground without trying. But nothing ventured, nothing gained, right!!

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 11:00PM
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tcgreene7(Spokane)

Can you eamil me some pics of your dahlias?
tcgreene7@aol.com

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 11:10AM
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Noni Morrison

DO you want to see all my dahlias or just my 2 fabukis?
I haven't had time to play with photo bucket yet as I HAVE ABOUT 5000 SPRING BULBS TO plant. But I could send photos to you at your own email address..Do you have any fabuki's?.

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 10:30PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Nice job cleaning those roots up Jamlover. I break off sprouts now to store for winter. What grew once will grow again, being my motto. The dark brown one is indeed looking like the Mother tuber- usually worth composting, sometimes will regrow.

Isn't it amazing the growth that goes on below the ground as well as above? When my camera battery recharges I will take a shot of the longest tuber I've ever dug- I bet 16 inches easy. I think it was trying to go south for the winter!

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 10:29PM
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alicia7b(z7b/8aNC)

I saw this dahlia at the cut flower competition and it was the clear winner in its class. Just perfect form, and the color is wonderful.

    Bookmark     October 23, 2005 at 9:58AM
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judy1(Z6 NL CANADA)

I have Jessie G and a couple of others close in color to it. They are Glenplace pom, Midnight pom, Island View Plush, "a personal favorite"is a min. ball,and Downham Royal another min ball.

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 5:14PM
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jamlover(z4 Iowa)

What color is Avalon?

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 8:31AM
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judy1(Z6 NL CANADA)

Avalon is an informal cactus. It is a yellow & pink blend. Pink outside yellow towards centre, it blooms a lot. It is like the energizer bunny.Another early bloomer here is Audrey Grace, a knockout orange red color; very unusual;one of the hottest colors in the garden.It is a formal decorative, 5 in. blooms, 5ft tall. I just love it, of course I say that about a lot of them.Another is Aztec Gold a 9 in.4 ft. semi cactus,golden yellow and it is also a prolofic bloomer.

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 5:01PM
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jackie_o(zone 5/6)

Thanks Granny and Pooch! One more thing - Am I crazy or do I remember correctly from reading last year that my tubers have to be kept in the dark? If so I've got to get some kind of cardboard box to put the "packages" in.

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 9:34AM
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Poochella(7 WA)

You are not crazy Jackie O. Keep tubers in the dark in a box or styrofoam cooler, or any cooler I guess, for insulation, ideally in a place between 35-45 degrees. I had a boxful out on the deck last night and we hit 32 overnight, but no harm done.

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 4:04PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

FLowergirl KS, In your zone I wouldn't try leaving them in the ground, unless you don't mind losing them. I'd just go ahead and get them out of the ground annually, and if you do it now, you have a greater chance at keeping them alive for next year.
My two cents worth.

Hovering at 32 degrees right now, frost on the rooftop but dahlias still look okay. I have a bunch of cut tubers shivering out in the garage- glad I threw a towel over them last night!

Jim, I feel for you cutting in the cold, dank, drippiness. Even on a fairly nice day it is a cool damp job to wash all those clumps. OUr soil is very moist this year too: all the way through the clumps, but I found if I take extra time to dig around all angles and gently wedge the clump up, there is not so much breakage. I'm trying to dig away as much top soil to lighten the load, as I can, then get rid of as much wet soil as I can before moving the clump very far.
Your 'wet mud/pulling with a rope' reminded me how easy it is to break those tubers with too much force or weight on them.
Good luck, and stay warm!

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 9:39AM
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tcgreene7(Spokane)

My problem is I haven't had the hard frost yet...dug up a bunch, and they are shriveling... or mildewing. Help!

tcgreene

    Bookmark     October 27, 2005 at 11:18AM
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