3,226 Garden Web Discussions | Dahlias

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Poochella(7 WA)

Nikki, there are alot of dahlias out there, 50,000 or more, and more developed annually. Alot of them look alike and are almost impossible to tell apart from widely variable internet photos/colors, sometimes even in person.

I don't think any site would intentionally misinform you- but webmasters or contributors get tired and make mistakes lablelling or uploading photos, the same and all of us. I would go for majority rules, if you find two sites that say your flower looks like "X" call it X and don't worry further. Spend more time looking for "Y" and "Z"- that's my motto!

    Bookmark     September 2, 2005 at 12:34AM
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linnea56(z5 IL)

I saved that page for reference and then just now found out the linkd are no longer active! That means no pictures of the different forms!

    Bookmark     August 31, 2005 at 3:20PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Yes, that's a problem at that page, sorry I forgot to mention that. You can always google "dahlia anemone" or "dahlia Formal Decorative" etc and probably get to a page that shows them. I bet other individual dahlia societies have a working photo link.

    Bookmark     August 31, 2005 at 9:58PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

MITES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't want it to be mites. I pulled my browning/papery leaves off and will give that plant a spritz tonight, just in case I have the same problem. Can't hurt anything. The leaf problem darn well better not move to any other plants.

Thanks for the info.

    Bookmark     August 29, 2005 at 4:27PM
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juju222(z9 AZ)

Uh oh, Poochella...spray spray spray! Those dang mites are also on my brugmansias and even a few of my plumeria!!!! aarrrggghhh. Hate those puppies!

Hope you get to yours soon enough!

Judy

    Bookmark     August 31, 2005 at 3:54PM
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Sycamore1(z8 WA)

Hello again!

I finally got my tubers into large pots (I think it was mid-July!) and was rapidly rewarded with sprouts! I have lots of buds now, one of which is opening. Good grief--do dahlias always then decide to open one petal at a time?! Doesn't it know I really, really want to see its full flower?! LOL! What is open is so pretty (a blue-purple whose name I've forgotten--but tag has been saved!), especially since I happened to set the pots near a lovely pink rose.

Thanks, everybody!! :-)

Poochella--Knock on wood, no slug problems (they've already gorged themselves on everything else), but I had a snail on the fascia board above the second story! Nothing stops those guys, including common sense!

    Bookmark     August 31, 2005 at 10:20AM
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Poochella(7 WA)

wow- second story slug travel just gives me the creeps! What was he after? I've endlessly wiped slime trails off a big sliding glass door- up to about 4 feet and a window at about the same height. Better to need Windex than to replace eaten plants, I guess.

    Bookmark     August 31, 2005 at 10:36AM
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anna_in_quebec(z4 QC)

Well, I am relieved to hear that, as one bud looks mighty strange right now - thanks guys!

Anna

    Bookmark     August 31, 2005 at 9:58AM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Anna, sometimes you get a malformed bud. Last year I had a triple centered monstrosity that just didn't develop right. I might have hurt it early in the disbudding process, or it was just formed that way.
I have another that looks like it's smiling- much wider center and a bit of an oblong bloom- again, that's just Mother Nature having some fun.

    Bookmark     August 31, 2005 at 10:33AM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Let a killing frost blacken all your foliage. Cut off the main stalks leaving about a 6-8 inch "handle." Some people protect the open end of the stalk from rain at this point with foil or such. I use milk cartons and what a sight that is! You should transfer a label to the stalk or a stem so you know what variety you're dealing with- alot of them look exactly alike when out of the ground!

Wait a couple days then, using a tined fork or a carefully operated shovel, loosen the soil around 3 sides of the clump. I aim for about 8 or so inches out from all sides of the stalk and about a foot deep- often they are much shallower. Then you can get under the clump and gently rock it out of the ground; sometimes using the handle stalk to help lift it. Don't know if that will hurt your perennials or not, but they should be able to be patted down in place again, no sweat.

Once out of the ground, you can gently work off the big soil bits, rocks, worms etc, then wash it all well with a hose. Some people swirl the clump in a final wash of 10% bleach water, I save that for the individual tubers because there is invariably more dirt in tiny crevices you can't get to when they're still clumped. And a worm or two. At this point I jot down the variety on a couple good tuber candidates in case the label comes off. There are good pencils available that write on damp tubers without hurting them. No Blot Ink Pencil is one. Some use Sharpies on a drier tuber.

Let your washed clump dry a few hours, or overnight in a shaded, dry, non freezing place. Then cut off tubers (see link,) to prepare for your storage method. I use gallon zip lock bags with a little vermiculite inside to let the tubers dry a bit more before final storage. The bags are labelled for each variety.

If you read back to October/November of 04 you will find no end of threads on digging, dividing, storing tubers. I am a recent convert to the Saran Wrap method and will do that again this year for its excellent results.

If you do a search of dahlia websites available, almost all of them have advice on this process and a Midwest one might have more specific pointers for your zone.

Here is a link that might be useful: digging and storing

    Bookmark     August 31, 2005 at 10:29AM
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Blackberry RippleBlackberry Ripple just opening.
Posted by Bruce_B(z9b N.CA) June 30, 2004
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grannymarsh(z4-5 U.P. MICH)

My photo is not as clear as Bruce B's, but the variegation is so wildly different on each flower.

    Bookmark     August 30, 2005 at 9:04PM
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roseofsharon_on(z6 ON Can)

I love that stripey look. I have a similar one called Smokey. It is full of buds but sooo slow.

Sharon

    Bookmark     August 30, 2005 at 9:45PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

I don't think you need to worry about heat in BC, but I wish you could squeak in a little earlier sunshine.

I have dahlias in a garden that really don't get warm sun until about 11 a.m.- 5 pm and they do fine, but 2p.m. seems late to me. Is the new place going to be just for dahlias? Maybe you could try a couple and see how they do there.

    Bookmark     August 29, 2005 at 4:23PM
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reddscarlette(3a BC Can)

It would mainly be for dahlias yes. I'm already looking ahead for suppliers here in BC lol. I know it's only barely September, but the earlier the better (in my books lol)

Where my Dahlias are now, they get the morning sun, and when the sun goes around the side of the trailer they're rather shaded. (we live in a mobile home park and our space is limited) I would have to say the new spot would have more sunlight opposed to what they get now.

I guess I kinda answered my own question hu? lol.

Nikki~

    Bookmark     August 30, 2005 at 12:53AM
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reddscarlette(3a BC Can)

Ok, I wasn't paying attention before I clicked submit...I made a mistake when I posted prior. In ref. to my white dahlia, I didn't mean White Lady..I ment White Linda. I found a pic of it and it looks really close to what mine is. Here is a pic of mine, and the second pic is of one I found online. What do you think?


    Bookmark     August 29, 2005 at 3:00PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Looks pretty darn close, you're right. The bud above and the opening petals in first post look close too.

It's almost impossible to say. It is very pretty, whoever it is!

    Bookmark     August 29, 2005 at 4:31PM
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pdxjules(8, Portland, OR)

This is my first year having Dahlias -
and I'm really diggin' em!

For your hummers, how about some red-flowering Cannas?
And I've got your Golden Jubillee Augustache (seed), and maybe some Dragon Arum tubers?

I may be able to tuck in some young Kalanchoe plants also, and Jerusalem Artichoke tubers if you like. I always have lots of seed for German Chammomile, which grows nicely in around other tall plants...and alyssum seed for edges.

Just let me know if you are interested. (Lots of veggie seed too...)

Julie, in Portland

    Bookmark     August 25, 2005 at 7:14PM
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Araillia(TX Z8)

I would love to make a home for your babies. I have wanted some dahlias for the longest time but can't afford to buy any. Please take a look at my exchange list and see if there's anything you are interested in.

Ara

Here is a link that might be useful: My Trade List

    Bookmark     August 28, 2005 at 6:24PM
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reddscarlette(3a BC Can)

Why Thank you very much Poochella :)
I do pretty much talk to them daily...telling them "OPEN....OPEN!!! I WANT TO SEE YOUR PRETTY FACE" and yes, my neighbor friend just laughs and said.."well, you could be saying alot worse!;) lol

    Bookmark     August 27, 2005 at 11:14PM
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willow22552(z5NY)

I have a white garden and it is quite spectular. Let's see colunbine,lupins delphiums, white marigolds, white bleeding heart, pure perfection rose, walter hardistry, white perfection dahlia, fleuel dahlia,white aster dahlia,moon flowers, asslyum, white geraniums, white glads,lilies and white cosmos. Together, they make beautiful bouquets and a really relaxing place to sit. I think it is my favorite garden of all!

    Bookmark     August 28, 2005 at 2:58PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Well done Redd! And beautiful buds and foliage you have got there. The wait from bud to bloom is so anguishing, especially with a new variety, you just want to see the prize ASAP!

    Bookmark     August 27, 2005 at 2:18AM
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reddscarlette(3a BC Can)

I know! Waiting for those dang buds to open...yeesh, these plants sure have taught me how to be MORE impatient! lol

This morning it's about half open. Hubby is going to take some pics for me today when we get more batteries for the camera. Then I can actually show you my red and yellow :)

It is very exciting though! I'm sure the neighbors think I'm crazy! lol

(and yes...photobucket seems quite wonderful!!! Thank you all for the advice :)

    Bookmark     August 27, 2005 at 12:53PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Hi amymalia. You have large aspirations and enthusiasm to match! Unfortunately, I can't answer as we have no gophers here. Moles, chipmunks, pine squirrels, bears, deer and other big scary things, but no gophers. Only the moles to date have neared the dahlias but not harmed them, and an occasional bouquet of planted sunflower seeds shows up as evidence of the passing squirrel.

Anyone else have gophers?

Welcome, and congratulations on your major overhaul and garden plans. I'm not sure about your zone, but it could be too late to plant dahlias for this season, or did you mean next year?

    Bookmark     August 27, 2005 at 1:24AM
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amymalia(95060)

Yes, yes, yes--next year. This year is winding down with a lovely show of the handful of dahlias that I picked up last year. Being the aforementioned novice and a little daunted by the prices of dahlia bulbs at my favorite nursey I only picked up 6 or so (however, I hear that Costco carries them early in the year...)but they are gorgeous. These were planted into my raised bed and so are protected by some serious Alcatraz gopher wire. The new additions, however, wil likely be on the own. It's not that I won't dig trenches and line it with wire if need be, it's just that I'd RATHER NOT do if unecessary.

Anyway, thanks for the laundry list of other if not less likely predators. No bears in my neck of the woods however my black cat has lately taken on the appearance of a very obese black bear cub, but I digress....

thanks for your input poochella....anyone else out there with input on gophers?

Happy gardening to you...

    Bookmark     August 27, 2005 at 4:03AM
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covella

I thought that was odd too about dahlias and sun. The original dahlias from Mexico must have grown in tougher circumstances than the hot-house beauties we get now.

    Bookmark     August 26, 2005 at 4:07PM
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plantlady2(NW Washington)

Higher up in the mountains of Mexico- probably cooler up there than down in the desert.
Try the smaller dahlias (can't believe I just said that as we hybridize for the BIGGIES- the AA's & A sized ones- but if you want to have lots of blooms & have them last longer the smaller ones definately do better in the heat)& the really tight ball ones stand up better in the heat. Also the formal decoratives seem to do better than the cactus. One AA that comes to mind that is pretty hardy in any weather is good old Kenora Clyde. Nothing fainting about Clyde- he grows really tall, has huge blooms with petals you can stand on!
As for blowing their centers- the heat will make them do that.

    Bookmark     August 27, 2005 at 12:51AM
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