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Missy, Traverse City, Mi Z5

I'm in zone 5/6 and where I live it has been TOO COLD for the dahlias to get going yet. You just need to give them a little time, assuming everything is ok with them.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2005 at 10:45PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Heck, I'm in zone 7 and I might add a very soggy zone 7 this year. I planted all tubers by May 10th and about one third are showing signs of life. 4 have rotted that I know of, one disappeared POOF like Houdini- as I dug into its planting spot to check for rot ( we've had way too much rain) and there was no tuber to even check! NADA, ZIP, ZILCH. So my cry is "H.G. Chad E- where on Earth are you?"

I am hoping warmer and dry weather this week will bring them out of their shells. Have no fear Myst 4ever. You don't need to watch them hourly or daily. Give them a couple weeks to settle in and then shoot up.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2005 at 10:54PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

You might have a slow (really slow) sprouter, but if you have others ready to bloom already I'll bet instead you have tubers with no eyes.
Can you dig it up, rinse it off and look carefully on last year's stem base right near the tuber necks for any sign of a swelling bud in pink or green? That would be an 'eye' and the place where this year's growth will emerge. If you see nothing, you might a bare spot in your garden, but it won't hurt anything to replant it and wait.

I think it's odd if you had this tuber/clump bloom last year, that there isn't at least one eye on it this season.
Be sure to let the place you cut it, or broke it open dry well before replanting if you do.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2005 at 8:22PM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

I plant mine on a slope, mainly because my entire property is on a slope. If the slope is really steep, I place a rock on the lower side, just to keep the soil in place. In fact part of mine is so "slopey", I am going to have to put in 16 stairs to go from the front of the house to the back. I placed the dahlia alternating with brugmansia going down the slope this year. Should be interesting to see.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2005 at 7:10AM
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sunshine98(Z8 TX)

I have mine in a large wooden container which my husband built out of recycled wooden palettes and it's done great for two years going on three now. I have a Dinnerplate Deep Red one very large. It had ants on it last year and it didn't bother it any. It's still very healthy and should bloom any day now. Hope this helps some.
Sincerely and respectfully,
Sunshine98 on GW

    Bookmark     May 23, 2005 at 11:17AM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

....but the afternoon sun is the hotest sun of the day, and the possibility is that they are hot house grown. I'd put them in a spot that got the early morning sun, or in partial shade until the plant has a chance to get used to the UV. Then you could put them into your favoured sun location. I burned a few myself this spring. Good luck.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2005 at 7:15AM
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Nancy zone 6(6b)

Could be the wet weather too, I imagine they will recover. I bought one of those in a pot last summer, stuck it right out in the garden in full sun. We got lots of rain last year too, so between the rain & sun, it took a while for it to look good. It did pull through & looked great though, & produced some respectable tubers by fall. I planted them this spring, they are up & I am hoping will do better than last year.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2005 at 9:47AM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

That is a high first number in comparison to the others. Perhaps in the beginning that would be useful, but once established, I'd be tempted with something with a higher middle number.

    Bookmark     May 23, 2005 at 7:12AM
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Poochella(7 WA)

Yes they will continue to produce flowers all season long until it freezes, but in TX that could be a while. Maybe there they'll just poop out in November or so; not sure.

If left on the plant they will stay nice a week or so, mine never get a chance to stay on the plant. If they start to brown on the ends of the petals, time to cut them off and signal the plant to produce more. Heavy rain- laden blooms invite broken plants, I will just caution you. If we're going to get a big storm or wind, I get outside and cut as many as possible to lighten the load.

Cut dahlias in the early morning or late evening into a bucket or vase of fairly hot water (beyond warm and not steaming hot)with floral preservative in. Put in dark, coolish place to rest for at least several hours, then arrange as you want. I did a little experiment last year re-cutting the stems under water or not recutting and it didn't seem to matter one bit. Cut dahlias can last up to 5 days but more often they start to tire after 3-4. I am constantly amazed at what shreds of beauty people still see in a dahlia bouquet I've brought them. After a week, the flowers look half composted to me and they say "oh but look at the bit of purple still in the center etc etc!"

    Bookmark     May 21, 2005 at 5:20PM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

Bury the tuber about 4 inches deep with the shoot going upward. Dont't be afraid to cover the shoot. It can only help build stability. You can even hill around the plant if the shoot is too tall. Keep it in the sun, and remember to give it a drink.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2005 at 9:54PM
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adona6ct(Zone 6 CT)

Thank you for the advice. That clears things up for me!

Adona

    Bookmark     May 20, 2005 at 7:57AM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

I'd be very tempted to use a large shovel, and move as much dirt as possible with them so as not to disturb the roots too much. Then water in when placed in the new spot. I do that sometimes when I change my mind. Sure they complain a wee bit, but they do come back. The more dirt moved with them, the better. Sometimes they don't miss a beat.

    Bookmark     May 18, 2005 at 5:37PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

The smaller, the better to move. I have even moved a 3 foot dahlia plant in the dead of summer on a really scorching day. (The absolute worst way to do it.) It was mad at me for a few days, then took off like its neighboring dahlias. They are pretty forgiving.

    Bookmark     May 18, 2005 at 11:06PM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

If it has an eye, and a shoot coming out, plant it. No question. It should survive and make a nice plant for you this year, with lots of tubers next year.

I think compost is good for plants but I also am wary of too much. I'd carefully scratch in some decent soil around them as well. I haven't had much success planting in straight compost.

....just my humble opinionl.

    Bookmark     May 18, 2005 at 5:34PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

I shovel and mix compost, sandy topsoil, and our regular rock laden clay all together til well mixed to plant tubers in. Roughly in 1/3 of each ratios, maybe less on the compost and clay. It usually works but this May is so wet- rain rain rain and cool temps. Have already lost one tuber to rot that I know of and more rain on the way.

Kirsten, if you have a shoot, JRoot is right: you have a good thing. What is a 'dirtbag?'

    Bookmark     May 18, 2005 at 11:03PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

If it only wilts during midday heat then I wouldn't worry. Some of them are prone to such antics. If it wilted and never sprang back to looking healthy, then I'd gently dig up the tuber and check for rot. But you aren't having that problem.

Now that I think of it, almost ALL my dahlias in the warmest part of the yard wilt in midday heat, and spring back to normal a few hours later. Has it been that warm in the San Fran area?

    Bookmark     May 18, 2005 at 12:55AM
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stevebrickley

Poochella,

Thanks for the reply. It has been either warm or raining here in the SF area. I am glad to hear that your dahlias do the same wilting. I guess I can take down the burlap overhang.

Steve

    Bookmark     May 18, 2005 at 9:04PM
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plantlady2(NW Washington)

Funny- I didn't know my Chocolate Cosmos had tubers until I dug them up & threw them out one year because I didn't know what they were- some form of weird weed, thought I! Needless to say when my beautiful chocolate cosmos didn't appear in the summer I figured it out & had to replace them because I LOVE the smell of them- good enough to eat--- now if only dahlias smelled like that I'd be in heaven with the thousands of them we have around here!

    Bookmark     May 17, 2005 at 10:58PM
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DanaNY(z6 Astoria, NY)

I'm definitely looking forward to that chocolate fragrance. I hope they live up to their name. Don't dahlias have "some" fragrance? I have lots of seeds for different kinds of dwarf dahlias and I could've sworn it says they fragrant. Is it very light?

    Bookmark     May 18, 2005 at 4:39PM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

Good advice raul_in_mexico, and plantlady2. They need to be deadheaded, and watered. With this erratic weather we've been having, one cannot say just water once or twice a week. One really must determine daily whether they need watering or not. It does not sound like a disasterous situation, if the stems are upright and green. Also, with this odd weather we've experienced, is there a chance they were hit with an early light frost?

    Bookmark     May 17, 2005 at 10:02AM
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raul_in_mexico

No frost here Jroot, it´s HOT ! 98-100 H, 65-70 L, which is kinda abnormal, usually by this time of the year it can go to 110. Although considering the location ( washington ) a light frost in not a crazy idea.

    Bookmark     May 17, 2005 at 6:13PM
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valerie424(z5 NH)

I meant to say "the cage will disappear as the plant grows taller and fuller" LOL

    Bookmark     May 17, 2005 at 1:18PM
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Poochella(7 WA)

I think potting it up is a good idea; put it in sun on warm days, in the garage or near house/cover if needed on those nasty cool nights you might still have. I think you'll be just fine- warm weather right around the corner.

I've been lamenting even my late planting this year as it's been cool and wet since I got all my tubers in the ground. Lo and behold I have about a dozen up already- it's so exciting!

    Bookmark     May 17, 2005 at 2:25PM
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raul_in_mexico

You planted dwarf varieties, dwarfs seldomly grow to 8 inches. It´s difficult to find true varieties purchased from generic dealers, the only way is purchasing from a grower or from a dealer known to sell pure varieties.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2005 at 6:58PM
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jroot(5A Ont. Canada (near Guelph))

Pinching would just make them spread out a little, not make them grow taller.

    Bookmark     May 17, 2005 at 10:04AM
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qbirdy(z4/5 Central NY)

Don't worry, we all goof up a lot! While I was reading your post I had to double check what forum I was on too :) You had me confused, lol!

Lenore

    Bookmark     May 15, 2005 at 6:09PM
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jean001(z8aPortland, OR)

It's an upright fuchsia. Either put it in the ground or in a freestanding pot.

Gartenmeister tolerates and, in fact, needs more sun than the average fuchsia. Just avoid the heat of day.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2005 at 1:43AM
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