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teddahlia

Crown gall is caused by a bacteria. Very infectious to other dahlias. Toss it.

    Bookmark     February 21, 2013 at 1:05PM
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steve22802(7a VA)

Thanks for identifying this Ted, I sure don't want to spread it to the rest of my collection.

    Bookmark     February 21, 2013 at 5:48PM
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teddahlia

Perhaps this will help answer the question: An old trick when digging dahlias is to cut off the dahlia stalks a week before you dig and divide the tuber clumps. The cutting of the stalk causes the eyes to swell and to be easily seen as you divide. You are just doing the same thing after the clump has been dug and stored for awhile. The act of storing whole dahlia clumps is fraught with danger as dahlias store better as tubers. The dahlia stalk quite often rots, and the rot continues to the tuber eyes. Removal of the tubers from the stalk does not expose the tubers to the rot from the stalk. If I were to compare the net tuber count from tuber clumps divided within a week or so from digging to those stored for a couple of months before dividing, I would estimate a loss of tubers of about 25%. Just a guess however.

    Bookmark     February 21, 2013 at 1:17PM
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steve22802(7a VA)

>> The act of storing whole dahlia clumps is fraught with
>> danger as dahlias store better as tubers.

Ted,

Hmmm...that has not been my experience at all, quite the opposite. Personally I have found that the most foolproof way to store dahlias is to dig up the whole clump and store it in a 5 gallon bucket or large pot filled with damp garden soil. Sometimes I water and then drain the pots before storage if the soil is bone dry. I don't add any more water over winter and the soil gradually dries out by spring. The tubers almost always come out nice and firm.

I'm trying the plastic wrap method this winter with part of my tubers and I've found some rot problems when I checked on them a couple times. I'm getting too many tubers to store in pots now so I need a less space intensive storage method. I'm also experimenting with leaving some in the ground with extra protection, we'll see how that turns out later.

Ted, what storage method do you use?

- Steve

    Bookmark     February 21, 2013 at 5:46PM
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oscarthecat(z7MD)

PD, I think you have a problem.

    Bookmark     February 19, 2013 at 2:36PM
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mandolls(4)

It really depends on the size and how shriveled they are. I have had some that when soaked for a few minutes in water and then wrapped in saran, revive. I have had others that just rotted.

That was before I began storing them individually wrapped in saran after dusting them with sulfur - now they never shrivel up.

    Bookmark     February 20, 2013 at 7:45AM
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davidinsf

Not sure what state/country you are writing from but in the US, I would estimate the VAST majority of true dahlia lovers order from smaller individual growers, like Swan island, Aztec, Hollyhill, et al. Not only do you order only 1 tuber but their descriptions will tell you exactly how large the flowers are expected to be.

Assuming you are already familiar however with on line growers, I can only assume you deliberately choose the larger European growers like Bourgondien and Royal dutch (or perhaps you are in Europe and many of our growers will not ship out of country) for a reason. If you are purchasing pre-packaged tubers however, I can tell you that the amount of mismarking and misleading of packaged dahlias has been getting worse and worse. (see my recent post re: Rosella and Rosemunde. I just saw another Rosella at OSH today and once again, it is advertised as a dinnerplate and yet mine was at best 4-5" open.)

    Bookmark     February 18, 2013 at 8:54PM
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steve22802(7a VA)

Dahlia tubers must have an eye to sprout but unlike potato tubers dahlias do not have eyes all over the whole tuber. Dahlias only have eyes right where the tuber connects to the main plant stem. It is not uncommon for tubers to break away from the main plant stem and leave behind the eyes. When dividing dahlia clumps you must always carve away a bit of the stem to go with the tuber and even then it is possible to get a tuber with no eye. Your best bet now is to pot up all the tubers without visible eyes in a loose slightly damp soilless mix and put them somewhere warm. If their eyes don't swell and sprout then those tubers are useless for planting.

    Bookmark     February 15, 2013 at 8:16AM
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mandolls(4)

In the spring after winter storage, If I dont see a sprout already forming, I move the tubers into plastic bags (which I leave open) with moist peat moss. If I dont get a sprout, then I dont waste the space that a pot takes up. I can put 6-8 tubers in each bag.

    Bookmark     February 17, 2013 at 8:11AM
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bunti(7)

Hi David,

I am interested in Dahlia tubers. I had bought few tubers last year and I didn't realize that I need to dig them up to save them. I have left them in the ground. I have to wait and see, whether they come or not.

I live in charlotte, NC. I don't mind paying you shipping charges.

my email id k_kosaraju@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Bunti.

    Bookmark     February 13, 2013 at 1:29PM
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davidinsf

Hi Bunti

first, the good news. You do NOT have to necessarily dig up your dahlias to save them. I rarely dig mine up at all and if so, only because they get 'reedy' or I am giving some tubers away, like to Duke. Most dahlias do fine when left in the ground.

The bad news is I do not have time to get into digging and dividing and packaging and shipping. That's why I asked Duke where he lived - so he could pick them up if he wanted.

There are others here who trade and will ship but I do not. I apologize but with long lines in San Francisco at the post offices, I just don't have the time to ship tubers.

    Bookmark     February 15, 2013 at 12:52AM
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donna_in_sask

I grew Zorro last year. It was a big plant and very prolific.

    Bookmark     February 13, 2013 at 3:42PM
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KarenPA_6b

Thank you all who had responded. I really appreciate your suggestions and they are all beautiful. If I have the space, I would probably plant them all. :)

    Bookmark     February 14, 2013 at 3:25PM
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another thought of the day59 days till I awake my babies.
Posted by vikingcraftsman January 31, 2013
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steve22802(7a VA)

Hey, just today I moved 7 large clumps of my favorites from last year out of cold storage and into place beside my woodstove! :) I plan to propagate these varieties from cuttings so I'm getting an extra early start. I also now have a 12x16 foot greenhouse so I'll be potting up lots of tubers at the beginning of March.

    Bookmark     January 31, 2013 at 9:30PM
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vikingcraftsman

Glad to hear Steve , lets us know how things are going.

    Bookmark     February 1, 2013 at 11:53AM
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beals

Hi, I am working on a similar problem...is it possible for you to email me the photos you have of the dahlia tuber with the cauliflower like growths. thx vb

    Bookmark     January 30, 2013 at 5:24PM
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linaria_gw

Hi there
could be caused by bacteria, and called crown gall. I hope the link works. If your Dahlias have that stuff, it seems necessary to destroy diseased tubers.

Hope that helps, best luck, Lin

Here is a link that might be useful: Crown gall

    Bookmark     January 31, 2013 at 4:00PM
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vikingcraftsman

The tubers were not eaten they rotted after the shoots were eaten off. I guess I should have explained better. One of the tubers was in a planter over three feet off the ground. I had sprayed at 11 o'clock at night. When I got up in the morning the shoot was gone.

    Bookmark     January 24, 2013 at 9:30AM
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pamghatten(wny5)

Thanks all ... seems that you are all starting them inside a warm area, something I'll have to think about.

    Bookmark     January 25, 2013 at 12:51PM
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collielover

My Rosella from a box store is the same as yours, half the size.

    Bookmark     January 24, 2013 at 9:47AM
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davidinsf

Thanks to both of you. Collie - that is exactly what I needed to hear. It (maybe) wasn't something I did to it to cause it to grow so small.

Honnat - thanks also for the reply. I grow close to 100 dahlias now and have ordered from maybe 8-10 different AMERICAN vendors over the years. In all honesty, many of them have never sprouted or bloomed (maybe 25%) so I don't see USA growers being that much better. More accurate yes but not necessarily fool-proof bloomers.

And the reason I even fall for the box store varieties is because you can plant them right now! As it is, unless I want to pay extra, the 15 tubers i ordered this year won't arrive until early to mid April and some of my dahlias start blooming in May, so I hate to plant in late April or even early May. Hence, the box stores blues!

    Bookmark     January 24, 2013 at 10:58PM
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mandolls(4)

Is it legal to trade tubers across the border? Or can you only trade with Canadians?

I wont know what I have to trade for a couple of months - have to wait to see what makes it through the storage season.

    Bookmark     January 21, 2013 at 8:16AM
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leepenfold

You are correct our goverments will not let us trade across the border.

    Bookmark     January 22, 2013 at 5:59PM
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honnat

My best guess would be Hollyhill Renoir ? I can't seem to get links to work right; but if you do a google image search, you might find what you are looking for.

    Bookmark     January 22, 2013 at 10:48AM
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collielover

Its really simple, seperate the tubers, I put them in a 1 part bleach water for a couple min., dry them really good, then take one tuber and wrap it twice untill you have wraped about ten. Store them in a cool place. I only lose about 5% with this storage :)

    Bookmark     November 25, 2012 at 8:34AM
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zinniachick(southwest Ohio)

Beautiful eulogy, Diane.

    Bookmark     January 21, 2013 at 8:51PM
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Karma dahliasDoes anyone know who grows Karma dahlias?
Posted by pdshop(5) January 1, 2013
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MaryNZ

Verwer Dahlias in Holland are the originators of the Karma Dahlias. They are protected (breeder's patent), so some countries have few stockists, depending on whether paying plant royalties is common there or not.

Here is a link that might be useful: The Karma range on the Verwer site.

    Bookmark     January 1, 2013 at 5:52PM
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vikingcraftsman

Good place to look first PDSHOP. http://www.dahlias.net/dbiglist.htm

    Bookmark     January 21, 2013 at 1:56PM
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