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2014 Pruning Q & A Section Co-Op

Posted by rcharles 7b - 8a. (My Page) on
Tue, Jan 21, 14 at 9:31

Place for us to ask question of pruning practices.
RC


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good one RC thanks
Q1. time ? when plants start waking and start new growth ?
Q2 can we hard prune and re-pot at the same time, when - at the time of start of new growth ?

kindly advice on following;
i'm planning to re-pot my plants in a day or two
my plants must be waking under the soil(i think)
but waiting for temperature to rise a bit moreover its been raining since 3 days it was my lazy attitude (gee) which saved my plants from drenching as all are kept happy under shade since 1 month not a single drop in them since 50 days

Q3 can i re-pot my plant now and prune them after they get new growth or can i wait for pruning because re-potting is a necessity as the medium in which they are growing is really bad as you can see in my thread --MY ADENIUMS


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Somalenese, did you ever find the answers to your pruning questions? I hope you are repotted in good soil and your Adeniums are happy :)

-Heather


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I could use some pruning advice! This is the Adenium from my ' Interesting New to Me Adenium "Bonsai" ' post. These pics are the same, as the plant has not changed a bit, save for losing a few leaves. It has been dormant but is just now is starting to poke some tiny green new growth out, so I figure the time to prune is soon. The nights here are mostly staying 60 F and above now. My idea is actually to just cut about 5 or 6 inches off the end of every single branch and let the new growth do what it wants. Does that sound like a horrible idea? Some ideas from the previous post I think were to cut the low right branch way down, and also to leave that branch low and cut the middle branches. When I look at them I always think I need to go for perfect symmetry, but I know that is not always the most appealing thing to do.

Front View (I numbered for easier reference):

Back View:

Top Back View:

Thanks so much for any suggestions and advice.

-Heather

Here is a link that might be useful: Orginal Post About This Adenium


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Somalese, and Heather, I do hard prune, repot, fertilizer all at the same time.

This is a good time to do just that. Get ready for growing season.

Marie


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Heather,
My thoughts as if this where my plant. This all based on my personal likes, but it will be what you would like as a final product.
I believe in your original post, this plant (Bonsai) style was 'wired'?
I like the Adenium when you see them at adult stage where they look almost mushroom shaped. These seen in Thailand and Taiwan.

With your plant. I would probably try and have all the main branches forming a vase shape.
The few lower ones may have to be trained/staked.
With the branches growing horizontal. When you prune these, the new branches that are produced will want to grow perpendicular to the main branch giving a "L" shape.
If main branches where at say a 45 degree angle or more the new growth would not have such a square appearance.
I tend to look at the skeletal shape without leaves.
I have never tried to reshape a bonsai style Adenium. Just my opinion as if mine.
Rick


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so sweet of you heather
been bit busy so unable to post
rising temperature also intesifises the race in day to day life
oh I hate the rising temperature
but have to deal with it as adeniums love it

anurag


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I have been transferred to a country side some 90 km
from my home
No I'm still not convinced with my research on stem or
branch pruning plumeria :-(
as a matter of fact pruning as a topic is still not clear
to me
root pruning yes now I'm more brave towards it and I
have put it to test , fingers crossed I'm waiting for
results :-(#)
thanks to all of you friend 's
Al has forced me to think different ly I'm only scared
that I may not do some blunder and lose plants so I'm
experimenting with control
...,.................................................................. .........
YES MY. ADENIUMS ARE HAPPY
I've never seen them so happy most of them have
awoken from their slumber and doing great in their new
soil thanks to GW friends
I lost some 10 adeniums out of @ 60 and I feel really
bad about it
2 of them are half dead don't know will seek advice
when I post photo on GW
I may be sad but I'm optimistic about next year I hope
to find gritty mix constituents before October this year
thanks for remembering me Heather , waiting for my
DR's to bloom so that I can post may be in a day or
two when I reach home
anurag


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hi rick
read your post many times but could not understand much but
" I like the Adenium when you see them at adult
stage where they look almost mushroom shaped."
that is so true and they have lot of tops for more no. of flowers then

anurag


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Sorry about your lost plants Anurag, I know how tough that is :(

I know what you mean Rick about the "mushroom" shape, I admire those a lot. The problem is though that I am totally not creative enough to bring that vision to fruition lol. And I certainly can't fathom going about wiring branches. That is why I have never gotten into to the art of Bonsai, even though I admire and eye them constantly. I don't have what it takes.

I do appreciate your opinion though, and I do like the idea. I'll try to envision what to cut to at least get to a closer semblance of that shape.

-Heather


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I just thought of a question I have always wondered about. When you prune, do you cut straight across or at a diagonal? I had always cut straight across, but have seen references to people cutting at a diagonal and wondered if there is a benefit to that or if it is not as desirable.

Thanks.
Heather


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I always cut diagonally
it makes my work look professional Lol
serious lay it has advantages

water runs off easily
less chances of parasites sitting on wound
faster self healing (my logic don't know if its true)
may be experts can give opinion on this

anurag


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Heather,
I have done both angle cut or flat with no ill effect.
I was reviewing pruning techniques today and many of the photo's from Asia
of pruning where done flat.
With the pruning I do here outside, it is always on an angle to keep moisture/water from remaining on cut surface. My Adeniums do not have to worry about rain.
The one thing I have started doing is painting the cut surface with Waterproof glue as Laura had told me. It works amazingly.
Rick


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Rick
please see if diagonal cut heals fast or not
certainly diagonal cut bleeds more so it would heal faster
yes water proofing will minimize the effects
but diagonally cut branches look better in time

anurag


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I cut diagonally when I prune after noticing that one plant I pruned with horizontal cuts actually had beads of water on them after a slight rain. That looked to me like just asking for trouble. I figured if I cut away from the X axis, water will just roll off, but not so steep an angle that you'd be exposing more raw and unprotected surface than necessary.

I put a dab of Ceylon cinnamon (has to be Ceylon) in case there are spores flying about. I've had no problems so far.

Then, you'll discover that a Lazy Susan is a cool thing to have when shaping anything! I have tons of them in different sizes in my shop and they work for adeniums in pots as well.

As for your plant, Heather, here is how I would do it: pick a branch as a visual anchor point against which the rest of the plant will be set against. For instance, I pick Branch #1 as my anchor and leave it as is. The rest I will trim depending on whether they look good longer or shorter against Branch #1.

Oh and remember always to cut an inch longer than you think a branch should be cut--that way you can always cut back if you change your mind after the first pass. Then take a second pass and trim some more.

The plant below was my autumn acquisition and I have no clue what it will look like when the leaves come out.

I hope everyone posts before-and-after shots of their pruning projects!

Pagan


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Thank you all so much for the horizontal/diagonal experiences. It answers something I wondered for a long time and always forgot until too late. I'll probably give diagonal a try this time. I also started the wood glue thing after hearing about it on here. The kind I use dries kind of yellowish though and that I'm not liking.

Thanks for the advice pagan, another good way of looking at pruning. I'm thinking that not knowing what it'll look like ahead of time is a good way of thinking. I have to investigate the cinnamon you mention, I use regular on orchid cuts, maybe I'm using the wrong kind.

On another note, below is pictures of another of my Adeniums, NOT the one mentioned above. I thought someone might want to see how it's growing out of the cuts. This one took a big fall off of my bench a few months ago. I was mad, it was a large Adenium in a very heavy soil filled terra cotta pot soaked with rain from tons of storms and the wind blew so hard it toppled the pot over and off the bench onto a cement dock. It also took out several seedlings with it, it was a terra cotta murder scene. Anyway, there were several scrapes and many broken branches. I was going to prune it and plant it in gritty mix anyway in the spring so I just did it then. These pics are how it is growing out now, the cuts are horizontal and it is mostly buds only coming out at this time.

The yellowy patches are my wood glue over scrapes, and the light caudex and all of the light patches on it are where a couple years ago something literally ate it over night. Chewed right through branches and most of the caudex. I have later figured it was probably snails. It is my oldest and largest Adenium, a common pink, and it has been through a lot over the years but is still going strong. Ugly, but strong ;) I see some places I should have cut shorter I think. We'll see.

-Heather


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I have been using the water proof wood glue to seal the cut surfaces. Is it normal to still have about a half to one cm of the branch dry back? They have not fallen off, just shriveled and dried. On the positive side they all have new growth coming out just below. :)

Laurie


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Laurie, in my experience that is still normal. If you see my pic right above, you can see the ends have done just that, and I wood glued them. With this Adenium it'll heal itself under the dried bits and then the dried tip will just pop off. You can see a couple of branches that have flat ends, the dried tips already popped off and the end underneath is healed. Hope this helps.

-Heather


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Heather, thank you for the reply!


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Hello Everyone!!!

In another thread that Rick started, I was looking at one of my trees and it needed to be trimmed ASAP in my opinion. I usually don't trim untill spring when the trees are ready to grow and have a lot of energy to focus...

This one had soft branches and I just wanted to get my hands on it and give it a hard prune. Here are the pics.

Sorry for the multiple post, photobucket is having issues and I can't upload so I have to post one at a time. Sorry you all...

This pic was taken Jan 18, 2014. It was a mess. Soft branches on most .
Time for a hard prune...

Laura


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waterproof Wood glue and pruners to do the job...


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Applying the glue to the ends of the cut branches...


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One months later.. Still cold outside. ( I brought it outside to take the pic..) This was taken on Feb 20, 2014

I noticed some back budding within 4 weeks.

This has been only in my living room.. No extra grow lights. Just by the western window.

No more soft branches.. ;-)
Laura


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March 20, 2014. Two months later.

Tree is looking great and is showing more back budding. I took it outside for a few hours to enjoy the first day of spring and also to take a pic for you all to see.

It is happy.. My other trees are leafing out and showing signs of budding with new flowers!!!

Laura


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Close up so you all can see the new growth.

Again, is was really early for pruning, but I felt it was necessary for me to do this to help save this tree. I like to prune at this time of the year or even in a few weeks to come.

Now I can just be patient and wait for it to really leaf out. I will take another pic next month for you all..

This is a great place to show what we have done and to share our experiences. I'm just glad this one turned out alright!!! ;-)

Anurag. Great job.. I hear you really like your new mix!! it's good stuff!!!

Take good care!!!

Laura


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Here are links to excellent information from experts including N. R. Sundaram. Pictures include branch pruning, root pruning and hanging. Click on each photo for text overlay containing explanations.

Disease problems

Tips and tricks

Carol in Jacksonville

This post was edited by love_the_yard on Thu, Mar 20, 14 at 14:39


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I thought I'd post how my recently pruned ugly snail bitten Adenium is filing out, not many leaves but tons of blooms.

-Heather


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Hello Somaelense

Its been only 4 years since i discover adeniums as like you all felt in love with them, this year was my first hard prune because as many people i was afraid, after rreading and reading about adeniums this year I said I am going to do it , the problem is the more you read the more confused you get, why? Because everyone tells you something different, so after reading for 3 years I just went by what my feelings told me
1. Took the adenium out of the pot
2. Clean the roots very well with pressured water
3. Let it dry , no sun light , it can burn the roots
4. Repot with new soil
5. Hard prune leaving around 2 to 3 inches of the original branches
6. That's it

Pd. For plantlover2
I did the same as you but instead of applying glue I used wax and what I got was a plant full of fungus because the dead tips of the branches didn't dry and inside got ugly , I will post a pic of my poor plant later

This pic shows the good results of the way I repoted and hard pruned


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hi everybody, I have a question about leaves. My plant is covered with leaves and a few flowers. All of the photos that I see around the web shows plants with much less leaves. Why is this? Do you remove the leaves from your plants?


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Hi Elland! I certainly do not remove leaves from my plants. They fall off as it gets colder and sometimes disappear altogether in the winter. Sometimes they don't at all. I've only had adeniums for a year and only one of my plants has flowered at all!

However, people staging a plant to highlight the blooms will probably will remove some of the leaves, just for aesthetic reasons.

Post a picture of your plant, will you? I love leaves!

Pagan


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Great thread everyone!!

I'll share my "pugging" on my Adenium...this one was from a few years ago...

Before "pugging" aka hard pruned (picture)...


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After "pugging"


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Taken in April 2011...3 months after


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taken April 28, 2011


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Taken yesterday...Time for another hard "pugging",lol...
I'm planning on doing it late Fall.


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This is a pic of my plant. See what I mean about all the leaves on my plant?puglvr your plant is stunning? How do you get it to be covered with flowers?


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patience my dear

Rome was not built in a day

you can't compare a 7yr(maximum) old plant with a @ 15 yrs old plant
[ my guess correct me if I'm wrong regarding age]

repeated hard pruning and 'replantado' is the key

am I right experts


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puglvr1 oh I envy your specimen and your dedication

I,m in love with your DR please tell us more about it , its age...etc

and yes I can't wait to see it in next spring
probably our forum will get a new icon

anurag


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Thanks for the kind words eilandkind and anurag...

You have some beautiful DRs!!

I've had that DR since Fall of 2005 I believe, purchased it in a 4" or 6" plant and once or twice a year I "up-potted it to raise the Caudex/Roots...and trimmed it once a year to shape...last year I didn't prune it...but I have to do it this year for sure.

Believe it or not I don't do anything to make it flower...it pretty much does it on its own. I do notice when I give it a hard "pug/prune" it seems to develop a lot more flowers shortly after it leafs out...

I fertilize it "weakly" every 10-14 days and it gets watered often in spring, summer and fall...but I do live it FL so it lives outside 350+ days a year...


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hello Everyone!!!

So nice to see you Nancy!! Love your tree and it looks beautiful as always!!!

I hard pruned on of my trees in Feb and posted each month. This is the third month pic after its pruning... With the spring warm temps, it is leafing out beautifully!! I agree with Nancy, I also get blooms after I prune. It really is good for the vitality of the tree.

Here is my pic from the the thread above... Hoping to post a final pic once the leaves are full and I have blooms!!!

Have a great night everyone!!!

Laura


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Close up...

Laura


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this is the next group to repot and hard prune...

They were just brought outside and were inside the house since October and are just waking up. They are going to be pruned and repotted so I wanted to show you the before pic...

Night...

Laura


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Thanks Laura!! Nice to see you too :o)

Love, love your desert roses...Great job with the pruning, congrats on the new growths...looking great!!


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It's always fun to see the difference after potting up!!!

This one really didn't need to be, but I wanted to be able to see more of the Caudex.

Nancy, my wish is that one of my trees will be as lovely as yours.. Always a pleasure to see. Is breathtaking... ;-)

Before...


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After..

Have a great day!!

Laura


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just repotted this guy!!

I pruned a few branches a couple of days ago, so I'm not to worried about pruning and repotting a few days apart.

Laura


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Gritty mix ready...


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Root bound tree.. I trimmed and barerooted.


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Cut and rinsed mix from roots....


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Checked how the roots were looking as I rinsed and trimmed


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Made sure of where I wanted it to sit in the same container.. I raised it about 3-4 inches


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It is now raised and waiting to grow leaves so it will look like a normal Adenium. It needs to rest now... Lol, but it was super easy.. The mix just fell off and I didn't need to soak it off this time.

I will also post a pic from the " Mandrake side". Lol. Or as some would say.. The Budda ball side!!!


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The other side...


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Just to get the feel of the size...

Hope you all have a great day!!!

Laura


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Hi everyone.  I am so inspired by all of your lovely plants! It dawned on me now that the reason for all the leaves on my plants all year round, is because I am living in the tropics. Only a few leaves turn yellow and fall off every year.  Thank you for the responses Somalenese and Pagan. You are correct, Rome wasn't built in a day! That is why my plant does not have so many flowers, I am just impatient, haha.




My biggest DR, 'Harry' yip I name my plants, is a testimony to the resilience of desert roses!
I got Harry about 5 years ago, when he was only a baby as big as my little finger. I was so stupid then, I hardly ever gave him any water, because the man, whom I bought him from, told me never to water him! Well, he did not realise that I was going to keep the little guy inside the house where he never saw any rain! So, little Harry turned into a little stalk resembling a raisin, until I realised one day that he can not survive without being watered, EVER!
He is now about 5 years old. I've been up-potting him once or twice every year in the last few years and also pruned him a few times.

I decided this morning to up pot him, after looking at all the wonderful caudices on here! So, the above photo was taken before and the photo below is the after.


I love the new look, but need some advise please. Do you think it is ok if I leave all the fine roots as it is at the bottom near the soil? Should I cut it off? My second question is whether I should prune now as well or should I wait until the Fall? I last pruned at the beginning of 2013.   
 
Side view, where most of the fine roots are:



Back view:


The front, my favourite side:



E/Virgin islands


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Laura, your plant with the 'ball' is so,so gorgeous! I don't trim the roots when I up-pot mine, should I? I was worried that the plant might get root rot if I cut the roots and put it back in the mix straight after, what is your experience with this?


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Eliandkind....

I love the look of your Caudex!! You did a great job!!

If the rootball was extremely bound, then I would gently work it loose or take a saw and cut off a inch or so, but even with my big belly Caudex, I just gently trimmed. Mostly on the side. Look at how bound my tree was. It hasn't been repotted in three years or so. I did cut some of the side roots, but I wouldn't cut any of yours. It looks perfect to me. Mine had side roots that caused the main fat roots to be hidden, so I worked on those.

Your plant won't get root rot when you root prune our tree unless you let it sit in water or have a water logged soil. We talk about fast draining mixes here and that helps the tree from having a Pertched water table. I never worry about that with a fast draining mix.

You are right about the leaves.. I'm not sure where you live, but seeing that you are in a zone 11 means that your tree probably doesn't go through a dormant period like our trees do. I'm sorry my trees don't look as good as they normally do in the summer, but we wanted to show what and how we prune and repot in this thread. They usually have a full head of leaves and blooms.

When I trim my branches and side roots, I seal with a waterproof wood glue by Elmer's. this seems to really help from rot.

You did a great job and I also love the little rocks. Looks beautiful!!

It's a great feeling...

Take care,

Laura


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Thank you for the reply Laura. I'll try sealing the cuts with wood glue if I ever cut the roots.
E/Virgin islands


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Beautiful DRs and great job with the repotting/trimming you guys!!

Very Cool caudex...love them!!


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Update.

More back budding!!!!

Whoo hoooo!!!

Laura


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Hello

What is the reason of sealing the cuts with glue? I taught it was a good idea too, but found out it isnt
the cut will heal in a couple of days and only about 1/8 of an inch will die, using or not glue it wont lose water if you look the wound one hour after the cut was done, it will be almost dry

I pruned my 4 adults around the first week of February and seal it, but instead of glue used wax, what happened? The wax trapped the humidity and it started rotting from the top down and from the outside there were no signs that it was rotting and it went down from the cut all the way to the caudex and now I have a horrible hole in the middle of it


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Everyone has such fantastic plants.
In case some of you guys don't already know, that unbelievable adenium on the Adenium Forum front page is that very one Puglvr owns. I know you prune the tree quite often, Pug, but how on earth did you do those roots!

Laura's ball, on the other hand, was the first adenium I saw on google search and it is the plant I blame for my sowing frenzy last year lol It's a dangerous inspiration that inevitably leads to a dramatic increase in seedlings from zero to about 92. If I hadn't been merciless about culling weak plants, I'd still have 92 seedlings!

Eilandkind, Harry is quite a specimen too. And it only took five years?! You must have magic woo-woo, it's amazing! What did you do? Did you leave it in the pot undisturbed until the roots got fat, then exposed them? how long before the roots got that swollen and ridiculously fantastic lol

This thread is perfect with morning coffee. I'm drooling so much over your adeniums, I'm getting dehydrated.

pagan


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Roma,

I sorry to hear about you problems sealing with wax. Personally, I have never used wax or other types of sealants except DAP. I like the waterproof glue to protect mine.

No one has every said that you have to do this, it is a preventive way to prevent moisture form Getting into the cut. Yes, it will heal naturally and I have let mine heal naturally as well. But I have found less problems when I add protection to the cuts. Also less die back of the stems...I also wait 20-30 to let it dry , then seal to the ends of the whole cut to prevent any moisture to settle in. I make sure it isnt outside in the rain when I cut or even after until the wound has been sealed and settled in for a day. Remember I cover the whole cut and seal up and slightly over the side to make sure moisture will not get in....

Sounds like there was fungus already in between the cut branches and the wax. Could the wax have separated at all and allowed moisture to settle in?

You have some beautiful seedlings and trees and I remember that you have lots of new babies... Strong work!!!

The question to seal or not is up to you. If you feel like you have better results with it healing naturally, I'm all for it. I have just found that I like the sealant that helps best for me. I also prune my Bonsai trees and they are woody stems. Many masters use this as well... So, it does have its benefits.
You just want to prevent before anything can get into the wound before you have to take action after the fact..

I'm sorry for the problems. I have heard of people using wax to seal the bottoms of Plumeria... Over in the east...That's all I have heard about wax.

I hope you can cut away the rot on Your larger tree. It is hard to see this happening. I always make sure to wipe my cutters with alcohol between each cut to prevent problems.

Please keep us posted...

Laura

Pagan... Nancy has a beautiful tree and it is the most beautiful I have ever seen... You are so much fun to have around this thread... I hope you and your trees are doing well....

I am enjoying my coffee too!!!!

Have a great day, Pagan, Roma and everyone !!!!!

Laura


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Hello! What does back budding mean? I think I know what it means but just want to be sure. Lol

Have a great day!
Mark


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Mark,

Hi!!! Back budding means that a branch that is pruned will usually generate more growth and energy by sending out side branches . We call it back budding because they look like little buds at first , then they branch out to become full size branches..

Hope this helps...

You can see in this pic the little leaves forming from under where I cut back hard earlier...

Have a good night!!!

Laura


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