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New shipment of violets arrived limp

fortyseven_gw
10 years ago

Hi Linda, and All,
Today a shipment of violet plants arrived.
Two are limp, the foliage on one of these is
soft, the plant cannot support itself. They
are relatively large plants with very long
leaf petioles. They are in very small
cups or pots, less than 2" and have
wicks protruding. The soil level was
covered with a layer of paper toweling
that was damp. Over that, a plastic
baggie was securely fastened over
the soil, around the base of the leaves,
then taped in place.

Several others in the group seem ok, but
are large for the cup and toppled over.
I supported each one by placing it in a larger
container, such as a small drinking glass or
coffee mug. The soil mix seems thinned
quite a bit with vermiculite.

I placed them in a dimly lit room with
a slightly open window so that they
can acclimate with low light and
fresh air. I thought I should allow
them a couple of days to recover
before attempting to repot into
4" pots.

I informed the grower of the condition of the
plants upon arrival, as it looks as though
at least one will not survive. It has the
limp look and feel of a plant that was
overwatered. However, this might
additionally be due to being shipped
in warm weather. It was in transit only
two days.

A brochure of instructions that came with
the plants said to wait a month before
repotting. For the taller plants that seem
larger for the pots, a month seems long to wait.

This is my first time ordering with this
grower. I will seek their advice on repotting.

Advice and suggestions welcome. (I won't be
wicking these when I repot them.)
Joanne 47

Comments (11)

  • aegis1000
    10 years ago

    I've had a few plants arrive that were not in the best condition, as well.

    Some survived, some didn't. Usually, the grower will be willing to replace plants that were compromised upon arrival . Be sure to take photos of how the plants looked when you got them.

    Remember, as you contemplate repotting, that AV's should be placed in pots no larger that 1/3 of the diameter of the plant.

    To be ready for 4" pots, your African Violets would need to be 12" across. I know from experience that overpotting is a bad idea. The problem is that a large pot will, by nature of its size, hold more water than the plant is capable of dealing with. So, the roots rot, and the plant dies.

    I just got a shipment of smaller sized plastic AV pots on ebay.

    I've learned my lesson ...

    This post was edited by aegis500 on Thu, Sep 19, 13 at 8:08

  • fortyseven_gw
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Hi Aegis
    Thank you for this advice.
    My instinct is to remove the plants that seem wilted
    due to apparent overwatering and put them into larger pots so that there is some soil and vermiculite to soak up
    the excess water.
    The grower wick-watered them, they arrived quite wet.
    I am not familiar
    with this method and I did write to the grower for advice.

    They already are much, much wider in diameter
    than the teeny pots they came in, which are about
    1.5 or 1.75.

    But I am waiting to get advice first. So I appreciate
    what you suggested.

    They are very long-petioled in
    very tiny pots.
    The foliage looks way too long for the pots, and
    they cannot stand without support.

    I will have to find
    some intermediate size pots, perhaps on-line.
    There is one supplier who sells pots and has
    a website.

    Joanne

  • Phillip44
    10 years ago

    I normally order leaf sets , I gain more satisfaction from the plants that I have started myself . Also with leaf sets , the chances of bringing in "pests" that will affect my other plants are much slimmer .

    I have ordered 3 plants in total , a Jolly Jubilee , Blue Dragon and Black Light streptocarpus . The Blue Dragon and Jolly Jubilee arrived soft , all they needed was a drink ( not saying this is the case with your new plants) .

    I did not re-pot immediately , they first went into quarantine , well away from my other plants . I use a small aquarium with grow lights for my quarantine house . I did not them around my potting area until I was sure they were pest free .

  • fortyseven_gw
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Hi Phillip,
    Thanks for this advice! I read in the book
    Growing to Show that plants often arrive "leggy"
    and limp! So that reassured me.
    The plant is doing better now that I repotted it and
    gave it the "spa" treatment (staying for many hours
    in a very humid bathroom with strong lighting.)

    I removed two leaves to "soak," as explained in the book,
    Growing to Show. One of the leaves has perked up.

    I think the plant will recover.

    Joan

  • PRO
    Whitelacey
    10 years ago

    Joan,

    Re-potting a wet plant into a bigger pot so there is more soil to absorb the water does not work. You are trying to get the plant to absorb the water, not the soil. You will still have the same amount of water for the plant to deal with. Sometimes, if I have a plant that is staying wet too long, I just remove it from its pot and let it sit until it has dried out somewhat. Or, you can remove it from its pot, remove the wet soil and re-pot into a drier mix. I like the first option for newly arrived plants as it is less traumatic.

    The reason new plants are leggy is that when plants are grown in a greenhouse, they are tightly packed together so there is the most room possible to grow as many plants as possible. In order for the plants to receive light, the leaves stretch upward and get very leggy. (Yes, I worked in a greenhouse, too).

    If your plants are in a 1.5'' pot, they are nowhere near ready for a 4'' pot. You need a 2.5''.

    Linda

  • fortyseven_gw
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks, Linda!
    I was debating what size to put them in next. Thanks
    for explaining the legginess of plants I got from two
    different growers. Anyway, all seem to be doing
    better now. I will shift the one I put in the too-big
    pot down to the correct size.

    In watching Annie's podcasts, I realize the 4" pots
    I have are too tall and narrow. I will have to find
    the "azalea" pots she demonstrates.

    I often think I would have liked
    to have worked in a greenhouse. I would like to
    have a small greenhouse outside now rather, than
    plants in rooms meant for people!

    Joan

  • perle_de_or
    10 years ago

    Joanne, I use the white plastic solo cups, the bathroom size ones, I think they are 2 oz. A plant can stay in that size for quite a while. I snip holes on the bottom edge with scissors in about four places, you can also burn holes with a soldering iron. I propagate my leaves in these and keep my smaller plants in them too. For small leaves I put more than one in these cups or sometimes use condiment containers or even coffee creamer containers for really tiny ones. I got some clear plastic 1 oz. cups at Party City that also work great for miniatures and I burned a hole in the bottom of those.

  • fortyseven_gw
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Hi Perle,
    Great suggestions! Thanks! I will start looking around
    for these smaller-size cups. In receiving such helpful
    replies, the lightbulb has gone off, I realize I have
    been overpotting even the leaves when I started
    out with 2.5".
    Joanne

  • becky15349
    10 years ago

    I love the idea of using the starbucks sample cups...I am totally going there tomorrow and getting some ;-P

  • PRO
    Whitelacey
    10 years ago

    Joan,

    In my experience, azalea pots are difficult to find. I have never used them and if you can't find them, just use regular 4'' pots. The trick is not to over-pot. A 4'' pot holds a 12'' violet.

    Linda

  • fortyseven_gw
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Hi Linda
    Again, great advice.
    progress report:
    I've started a bunch of rooted
    leaves in tiny 1.5" pots with perlite in the bottom, a bit
    of soil mix on top of that. I forgot to get wicks. I still
    have not figured out what to use for wicks. Once
    the leaves send up babies and I move them to 2"
    pots, I will get wicks. They are all under domes.
    My hardware store had domed trays.

    I potted up the "leggy" plants from 2" to 3", but
    again, forgot the wicks, and put in a layer of perlite.
    So I guess I will be top watering. With all that
    legginess, there is plenty of room.

    i moved all the new plants that were not leggy
    but not in regular soil that came from a different
    grower that I had put into 4" pots down to
    3" pots and they are in the warm, humid bathroom
    under fluourescent lights. I had ordered 3" pots from
    a grower. Also, a fertilizer to add to water for rooting.

    I read the ingredients on the orchid food, it contains urea, so I went back to violet food for the AVs in bloom.

    I gave away another batch of plantlets that had
    grown into decent size plants, all potted up
    into the right size pots. (I had to move some down
    from 4" to 3")

    There is a batch of plantlets coming up in 1/5" pots

    What's next are the plants that have suckers on them
    or a second crown to divide. There are just three of
    those.

    Joanne 47