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Buying leaves vs. plants

bunnycat
10 years ago

I've only bought plants in the past, mostly from Violet Barn, Lyndon Lyon, or at local violet shows. That way I get immediate gratification(!!) and get to accurately see the colors of plants. Sometimes I knock plants off my wish list after seeing them in person. Late last fall I decided to order a bunch of leaf sets from 2 reputable dealers. All arrived in great shape.
Some are just starting to bloom, and I am disappointed. I know that reproducing fantasy from leaves isn't a guarantee. But so far, I am not seeing green on the edges of Irish Luck. It has the blue edging, so is still pretty, but not what I'd hoped for. Irish Magic has no green edge and is just a plain dark blue ruffled flower. Once again, not what I wanted. Is a green edge tricky to reproduce from a leaf?
Leaves are inexpensive, but waiting almost a year to find out the plant isn't "as advertised" is annoying.
It is certainly fun to plant leaves and wait for "mouse ears" and there is less risk of bringing in pests.
But I wonder how other people feel when violets that should have fantasy or green edges or other features don't develop as they should. In my experience some like Jean Pierre Croteau reproduce pretty faithfully, and others are almost impossible to reproduce accurately from a leaf. If I fail with a leaf from my own plant, no loss other than time and plant shelf space. But some sellers only offer leaves of certain plants, so that's the only way to get it..unless that's not what you get in the end.
I'm not sure sellers should sell leaves of unstable varieties.
Your thoughts?

Comments (9)

  • PRO
    Whitelacey
    10 years ago

    Bunny,

    First, and sometimes second, bloomings often do not show their full colors. Remember, these are young plants just coming into their stride. Give them a couple more rounds.

    Also, temperatures can affect colors. Usually, cool temps. will bring out more color.

    And remember, every one of those varieties that you see pictured was started from a leaf. Green edges are no more difficult to propagate than any other color, in my experience. Fantasies are genetically unstable so it may be better to buy a plant so you can see its coloring. If a fantasy leaf does not bloom true, often the sport is equally lovely even though it is not the plant you had hoped for.The only other colors that are tricky is the chimeras because of their genetic composition. These are also best bought in person, in bloom.

    Linda

  • bunnycat
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks, Linda.
    I hope the green shows up soon. The plants stands are in a cool bedroom, so maybe the green will show up soon. I have a few green-edged standards and they don't seem to lose their green in the summer. But I bought them all as plants, didn't start leaves.
    I have planted a number of LLG standard fantasy leaves in the past, and had the flowers not be "true," but lovely none-the-less. It's only a problem if I want to trade them as named plants, vs. giving them to friends who don't care.

  • irina_co
    10 years ago

    Bunny- a year for the bloom is way too long. Probably - buy leaves in spring! They grow so much faster.

    Irina

  • bunnycat
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Irina, thank you, that's true. I know that fall and winter growing is s-l-o-w, but DH has had several long hospitalizations over the past 2 years. I had an urge to grow babies to keep me company when I wasn't at work or going back and forth to the hospital. They didn't get ideal care at times, but survived and look healthy in spite of everything.
    I noticed that I'm not having problems with any of my Rob's varieties, either leaves from my older plants, or from Rob's leaves purchased from another seller. The leaves from his fantasies seem to breed true(so far).

  • bunnycat
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Irina, thank you, that's true. I know that fall and winter growing is s-l-o-w, but DH has had several long hospitalizations over the past 2 years. I had an urge to grow babies to keep me company when I wasn't at work or going back and forth to the hospital. They didn't get ideal care at times, but survived and look healthy in spite of everything.
    I noticed that I'm not having problems with any of my Rob's varieties, either leaves from my older plants, or from Rob's leaves purchased from another seller. The leaves from his fantasies seem to breed true(so far).

  • fortyseven_gw
    10 years ago

    Hi Bunny, Irina,
    Thanks for posting about your experience. I was glad you
    mentioned Jean Pierre Croteau, because I just got that as
    a plant from LLG. It is in bloom. It is helpful to know that a
    leaf from it will be true as it has quite a complicated fantasy
    pattern.

    I have been reluctant to order leaves. But it is
    getting harder and harder to order plants from various
    hybridizers with so many no longer selling retail.

    When I put down leaves from plants I had, usually,
    the pattern did not reproduce, neither the chimera
    or the fantasy. I usually give the resulting plant away.

    I recently got a couple of leaves of a fantasy
    from Optimara. When they bloom, I will let you know.

    I like the hybrids of LLG, plus the plants they offer of
    other hybridizers. They are always large and usually
    in bloom. They package well and have great customer service.
    I like their solid color pale pink
    double called Southern
    Delight. It is carefree and easy to grow quickly.
    Foliage is
    beautiful and shiny. Blooms
    are large and showy. For those reasons, I often
    put down leaves to give as gifts. A very rewarding plant.
    They have had it for years, very strong stock.

    I have wanted to try other hybridizers, so I have been
    hunting around to find growers that offer them. It
    takes a while. People on the forum have helped.
    I would like to find a couple of Ruth Bann's.

    I am thinking, Irina, that CO is full of light with your "mile high sky."
    In my experience, when on the east coast,
    the plants knew when it was winter, no matter what
    I did, and slowed down and did not bloom. In Calif,
    they are much easier to grow with all the natural light
    and mild temps.

    I hope others with more experience with leaves
    will post on your topic, it is a very good topic now
    that the selling environment has changed.

    Joanne

  • irina_co
    10 years ago

    Joanne -

    chimera always needs to be reproduced from suckers. And there are several "fishy" plants - better be reproduced from suckers than from leaves - Playful Spectrum and Cranberry Swirl are typical. These plants should be bought blooming.

    I do not grow on natural light. I grow practically everything under the lights. Much better bloom, more bloom altogether - and everything grows fast. Leaves root too. Colorado is way too dry to grow in the open - so my plants are sitting on mats and wicks having an extra ambient humidity around them. They still know what is the time of the year now - of course - and give a stellar bloom in spring.

    irina

  • fortyseven_gw
    10 years ago

    Hi Irina,
    Thanks! Shelving and lights are on my to-do goal
    list.
    (I had a set-up once, but it looked too much like
    a nursery than a home. Other family members were not
    pleased with the look. I reduced the collection drastically,
    then discovered the natural light where I lived worked
    well. There
    is so much good advice on the threads,
    that I wil look forward to having a more attractive
    arrangement than before.) Just have to figure it
    out. And get family members to be willing to live
    with it.
    Joanne

  • PRO
    Whitelacey
    10 years ago

    Joanne,

    Tell your family that plants make you happy and when mama's happy, everybody's happy. Works for me!

    Linda

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